Elimination Game Box-Score Stats

SideshowBob · Post #1 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri May 2, 2014 2:37 am

In light of all the close series we're being treated to, I figured I'd post these. I've included some basic box-score numbers and have posted the average level of defense faced. I'll continue to add and update.

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Carmelo Anthony (6 G)

Average Defense: 101.7 DRTG (-4.6)

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MPG   PTS   TRB   AST   TOV   STL   FGA   FTA   TS%   TOV%   GmSc

40.7  26.0  7.3   2.1   1.3   2.4   22.9  8.4  .488  .082    15.1

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Charles Barkley (26 G)

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MPG   PTS   TRB   AST   TOV   STL   FGA   FTA   TS%   TOV%   GmSc

41.6  22.7  13.8  4.2   2.8   1.5   15.4  8.8  .589  .129    20.8

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Chris Paul (7 G)

Average Defense: -3.4

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MPG   PTS   TRB   AST   TOV   STL   FGA   FTA   TS%   TOV%   GmSc

42.4  18.9  6.1   10.3  3.0   2.7   15.6  4.3  .540  .147    18.4

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Dirk Nowitzki (21 G)

Average Defense: -2.0

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MPG   PTS   TRB   AST   TOV   BLK   FGA   FTA   TS%   TOV%   GmSc

42.5  28.3  11.0  2.7   1.8   1.1   19.7  8.8  .600  .072    22.6

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Dwyane Wade (Pre-Lebron) (7 G)

Average Defense: -3.2

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MPG   PTS   TRB   AST   TOV   STL   FGA   FTA   TS%   TOV%   GmSc

41.9  29.9  4.6   5.7   4.6   1.3   21.7  9.3  .579  .151    20.0

Spoiler:

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Kevin Durant (7 G)

Average Defense: 103.4 DRTG, (-3.2)

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MPG   PTS   TRB   AST   TOV   BLK   FGA   FTA   TS%   TOV%   GmSc

42.9  30.0  8.7   2.9   4.0   1.4   22.0  9.9  .570  .132    19.4

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Kobe Bryant Post-2001 (13 G)

Average Defense: 102.7 DRTG ( -3.2)

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MPG   PTS   TRB   AST   TOV   STL   FGA   FTA   TS%   TOV%   GmSc

42.3  24.9  5.7   3.1   3.5   1.2   21.7  7.3  .500  .124    13.8

Spoiler:

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Lebron James (13 G)

Average Defense: 101.0 DRTG (-5.6)

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MPG   PTS   TRB   AST   TOV   STL   FGA   FTA   TS%   TOV%   GmSc

45.5  31.9  10.2  6.5   4.5   1.4   23.0  12.0 .564  .136    23.8

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Michael Jordan (13 G)

Average Defense: 104.3 DRTG (-3.4)

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MPG   PTS   TRB   AST   TOV   STL   FGA   FTA   TS%   TOV%   GmSc

41.6  31.3  7.9   7.0   4.2   2.0   24.0  11.7 .537  .125    23.3

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Russell Westbrook (6 G)

Average Defense:103.9 DRTG, ( -2.8)

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MPG   PTS   TRB   AST   TOV   STL   FGA   FTA   TS%   TOV%   GmSc

40.4  22.8  7.7   9.2   3.5   2.0   19.5  7.8  .498  .132    19.8

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Stephen Curry (3 G)

Average Defense:104.1 DRTG, ( -2.7)

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MPG   PTS   TRB   AST   TOV   STL   FGA   FTA   TS%   TOV%   GmSc

43.9  26.3  4.3   8.0   2.3   1.3   22.0  7.7  .519  .084    19.6

colts18 · Post #2 » by **colts18** » Fri May 2, 2014 3:35 am

Its interesting that LeBron is more clutch than MJ in elimination games and game 7's

GSP · Post #3 » by **GSP** » Fri May 2, 2014 3:47 am

colts18 wrote:Its interesting that LeBron is more clutch than MJ in elimination games and game 7's

Their numbers in elimination games are identical more or less so not sure how u can say that
I can only remember 2 game 7s Mj played too

Good thread idea i remember where Elgee did a similar one to this and Chuck and Dirk were monsters in elimination games

SideshowBob · Post #4 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri May 2, 2014 3:49 am

GSP wrote:
colts18 wrote:Its interesting that LeBron is more clutch than MJ in elimination games and game 7's

Their numbers in elimination games are identical more or less so not sure how u can say that
I can only remember 2 game 7s Mj played too

Good thread idea i remember where Elgee did a similar one to this and Chuck and Dirk were monsters in elimination games

I'll add those two later. I know I had Dirk and Wade's numbers but I can't find the file ATM.

Post #5 » by **bondom34** » Fri May 2, 2014 3:50 am

Nice, awesome work again Bob!

Kobe somewhat disappointing from what I would have thought. Granted, small sample size but still not very good at all, he's a slightly more efficient/more TO prone Westbrook, which shocks me.

SideshowBob · Post #6 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri May 2, 2014 3:53 am

bondom34 wrote:Nice, awesome work again Bob!

Kobe somewhat disappointing from what I would have thought. Granted, small sample size but still not very good at all, he's a slightly more efficient/more TO prone Westbrook, which shocks me.

I'll have to update Durant/Westbrook for tonight's game tomorrow.

Kobe's struggled a bit. His best looking one at a glance is against OKC in 2012; 42/5 on 58.2% TS.

laaboy808 · Post #7 » by **laaboy808** » Fri May 2, 2014 4:09 am

DIRK has the most clutch elimination game stats

SideshowBob · Post #8 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri May 2, 2014 4:30 am

laaboy808 wrote:DIRK has the most clutch elimination game stats

It took you a while to come back ahonui.

Yeah Dirk's numbers were pretty crazy from what I remember. Hope he brings it tomorrow.

laaboy808 · Post #9 » by **laaboy808** » Fri May 2, 2014 5:57 am

SideshowBob wrote:
laaboy808 wrote:DIRK has the most clutch elimination game stats

It took you a while to come back ahonui.

Yeah Dirk's numbers were pretty crazy from what I remember. Hope he brings it tomorrow.

Did you compile the numbers yourself from basketball-reference?

The Infamous1 · Post #10 » by **The Infamous1** » Fri May 2, 2014 8:36 am

How good were the defensive teams on average

Dupp · Post #11 » by **Dupp** » Fri May 2, 2014 9:00 am

SideshowBob wrote:
GSP wrote:
colts18 wrote:Its interesting that LeBron is more clutch than MJ in elimination games and game 7's

Their numbers in elimination games are identical more or less so not sure how u can say that
I can only remember 2 game 7s Mj played too

Good thread idea i remember where Elgee did a similar one to this and Chuck and Dirk were monsters in elimination games

I'll add those two later. I know I had Dirk and Wade's numbers but I can't find the file ATM.

If you have it or can be bothered i'd really be interested in seeing someone like Duncan or Shaq's stats in these situations. :hug:

SideshowBob · Post #12 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri May 2, 2014 3:42 pm

The Infamous1 wrote:How good were the defensive teams on average

I've added the average defense faced for each guy.

SideshowBob · Post #13 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri May 2, 2014 4:01 pm

laaboy808 wrote:DIRK has the most clutch elimination game stats

Added Nowitzki

MisterHibachi · Post #14 » by **MisterHibachi** » Fri May 2, 2014 4:06 pm

Basically LeBron is the best in elimination games. Faces the best defense and still has the best stats.

lorak · Post #15 » by **lorak** » Fri May 2, 2014 4:26 pm

Dirk played 19 elimination games? Are you sure SideshowBob? Shouldn't it be 21?

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SideshowBob · Post #16 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri May 2, 2014 4:30 pm

lorak wrote:Dirk played 19 elimination games? Are you sure SideshowBob? Shouldn't it be 21?

2001 G3 vs UTA
2001 G4 vs UTA
2001 G5 vs UTA
2001 G4 vs SAS
2001 G5 vs SAS
2002 G5 vs SAS
2003 G7 vs PTB
2003 G7 vs SAC
2004 G5 vs SAC
2005 G7 vs HOU
2005 G6 vs PHO
2006 G7 vs SAS
2006 G6 vs MIA
2007 G5 vs GSW
2007 G6 vs GSW
2008 G5 vs NOH
2009 G4 vs DEN
2009 G5 vs DEN
2010 G5 vs SAS
2010 G6 vs SAS
2012 G4 vs OKC

Missed the two bolded for some reason. Thanks

colts18 · Post #17 » by **colts18** » Fri May 2, 2014 4:34 pm

I think you should put the average D rating of defense faced rather than relative to league average. Playing a 103 D rating defense that is -3 is harder than playing a 105 D rating -5 defense.

SideshowBob · Post #18 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri May 2, 2014 4:36 pm

colts18 wrote:I think you should put the average D rating of defense faced rather than relative to league average. Playing a 103 D rating defense that is -3 is harder than playing a 105 D rating -5 defense.

I'll put both.

microfib4thewin · Post #19 » by **microfib4thewin** » Fri May 2, 2014 4:39 pm

Would team Drtg for the series have any merit in this discussion?

SideshowBob · Post #20 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri May 2, 2014 8:19 pm

microfib4thewin wrote:Would team Drtg for the series have any merit in this discussion?

I don't think so. Looking at the average opponents DRTG represents the defensive quality of the opponent (based on a full RS sample size). Opponent DRTG for the series represents how the player's team is performing offensively in the series, which means to some degree it's going to be dependent on teammate performance in rather small sample of at most 7 games. The only way it would make sense to look at that is if we came up with some average performance level for the teammates in all non-elimination games in the series, compared that to the average performance in the elimination games, did the same with the player in question and then observed the shift in opponent DRTG between elimination/non-elimination games. That should be indicative of how a shift in the player's performance (or lack of it) helped his team perform better or worse against the opponent, relative to the rest of the series. Seems like overkill IMO