Patrick Patterson's production (or lack thereof)

[firefox390]

0-2 FG tonight, 27.8% FG and 5.8 ppg for the past 5 games while averaging 25.8 mins. Significantly below where his numbers were before. What is going on with this dude? When we're flaming GV, Ross, and (sometimes) JV and Lou, I can't see how this guy should be let off the hook especially when you can make an argument that his numbers and production could be the lowest out of anybody else.

[Danchan]

jinxed when raptors fans started talking about him on the general board.

[PrinceV]

The Raptors aren't moving the ball well and playing too much man to man on offence. PP is best suited when there is ball movement. We have been killed in the assist category and that pretty much tells you that players are trying to play hero ball.

[Danchan]

The Raptors aren't moving the ball well and playing too much man to man on offence. PP is best suited when there is ball movement. We have been killed in the assist category and that pretty much tells you that players are trying to play hero ball.

well with derozan back you can say good bye to ball movement. Patpat is going to have fun watching derozan dribble in the same spot for 10 seconds before passing it off or pulling up for a contested long 2.

[GED Education]

PPat is unable to hit the three. That's his game. Take that away and he's useless.

[witnessraps]

to add insult to the raptors collapse, we also have to listen to danchan's garbage again?

[firefox390]

The Raptors aren't moving the ball well and playing too much man to man on offence. PP is best suited when there is ball movement. We have been killed in the assist category and that pretty much tells you that players are trying to play hero ball.

But it's been like that this whole season, even when we were winning. Even despite the lack of ball movement, 2Pat needs to post up more, and play closer to the rim. If he's going to play perimeter, then we need to trade him.

[nitrous]

0-2 FG tonight, 27.8% FG and 5.8 ppg for the past 5 games while averaging 25.8 mins. Significantly below where his numbers were before. What is going on with this dude? When we're flaming GV, Ross, and (sometimes) JV and Lou, I can't see how this guy should be let off the hook especially when you can make an argument that his numbers and production could be the lowest out of anybody else.

Like it or not, he is still the teams best 3 point shooter and he does attempt a good number. Alternatively PPat is a roleplayer, T-Ross is OUR STARTER, JV is OUR STARTER.

Blame starters before digging to the bench.

[firefox390]

0-2 FG tonight, 27.8% FG and 5.8 ppg for the past 5 games while averaging 25.8 mins. Significantly below where his numbers were before. What is going on with this dude? When we're flaming GV, Ross, and (sometimes) JV and Lou, I can't see how this guy should be let off the hook especially when you can make an argument that his numbers and production could be the lowest out of anybody else.

Like it or not, he is still the teams best 3 point shooter and he does attempt a good number.

Yes, but that's why I'm getting on to his case. In order for us to be better, he needs to play better and he hasn't. His numbers are not just bad, they're terrible. The guy could at least rebound in double digits once in a while, but he hasn't even done that.

[nitrous]

0-2 FG tonight, 27.8% FG and 5.8 ppg for the past 5 games while averaging 25.8 mins. Significantly below where his numbers were before. What is going on with this dude? When we're flaming GV, Ross, and (sometimes) JV and Lou, I can't see how this guy should be let off the hook especially when you can make an argument that his numbers and production could be the lowest out of anybody else.

Like it or not, he is still the teams best 3 point shooter and he does attempt a good number.

Yes, but that's why I'm getting on to his case. In order for us to be better, he needs to play better and he hasn't. His numbers are not just bad, they're terrible. The guy could at least rebound in double digits once in a while, but he hasn't even done that.

Relative to other bench bigs he is fine.

Our starters relative to other teams on the other hand... JV and Ross are both not starting material.

[PrinceV]

The Raptors aren't moving the ball well and playing too much man to man on offence. PP is best suited when there is ball movement. We have been killed in the assist category and that pretty much tells you that players are trying to play hero ball.

well with derozan back you can say good bye to ball movement. Patpat is going to have fun watching derozan dribble in the same spot for 10 seconds before passing it off or pulling up for a contested long 2.

With Demar back, he actually recognizes when teams are double teaming him and does a good job of passing it out to the open man. That is why I like Fields over Ross because Fields moves better than anyone else on team without the ball. When Fields is moving it forces everyone else to move and therefore you get better ball movement. Patpat does a great job finding his spot when guys aren't over dribbling the ball.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

The Raptors aren't moving the ball well and playing too much man to man on offence. PP is best suited when there is ball movement. We have been killed in the assist category and that pretty much tells you that players are trying to play hero ball.

But it's been like that this whole season, even when we were winning. Even despite the lack of ball movement, 2Pat needs to post up more, and play closer to the rim. If he's going to play perimeter, then we need to trade him.

Have you ever watched Patterson play basketball? Or basketball in general?

He'll be fine. He started the season on a similar rough patch. He's still one of the best three point shooting fours in the NBA. Keep shooting 'em, big fella.

[firefox390]

Like it or not, he is still the teams best 3 point shooter and he does attempt a good number. Alternatively PPat is a roleplayer, T-Ross is OUR STARTER, JV is OUR STARTER.

Blame starters before digging to the bench.

Trust me, I share with the rest my frustrations with T-Ross and JV.

I think JV's defense has been putrid, but I think the extra muscle he put on left him less mobile. This guy can guard in the interior, but step away a few feet in the perimeter (esp. guarding stretch 4s) and he's hopelessly inadequate due to poor mobility and conditioning (which can improve, which is why I still hold hope for him). It just frustrates me that Casey is not allowing him to be the third option scorer for a team that has become frighteningly more guard/perimeter-dependent.

I can't excuse Ross. He had his opportunity to seize from DD's injury, and he failed. He can't pass and he can't rebound, but he can attack...but if he's unable to do that, then he needs to go.

[OptimusCrime]

Here's the thing; For a 4, albeit a stretch 4, Patterson never drifts from the three point line. Most of his shots come from there--in fact he didn't have a single shot on paper from the paint or mid-range. The one time he found himself in the paint, he drew a shooting foul. It's messed up when James Johnson is more involved in the paint trying to grab an offensive board than a guy playing the 4.

Like Ross, what's the point of having a player who can provide more spacing when that player can't make a shot in the first place?

And also, this has to be on Casey as well. He lets these guys take bad shots all game, and when his bigs get bodied...he goes smaller? AJ was getting destroyed by Horford and Millsap in the paint tonight while Casey played four guards with him. It's ridiculous.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Here's the thing; For a 4, albeit a stretch 4, Patterson never drifts from the three point line. Most of his shots come from there--in fact he didn't have a single shot on paper from the paint or mid-range. The one time he found himself in the paint, he drew a shooting foul. It's messed up when James Johnson is more involved in the paint trying to grab an offensive board than a guy playing the 4.

Like Ross, what's the point of having a player who can provide more spacing when that player can't make a shot in the first place?

Maybe because he's shooting 42% from 3 on the season????

[nitrous]

Like it or not, he is still the teams best 3 point shooter and he does attempt a good number. Alternatively PPat is a roleplayer, T-Ross is OUR STARTER, JV is OUR STARTER.

Blame starters before digging to the bench.

Trust me, I share with the rest my frustrations with T-Ross and JV.

I think JV's defense has been putrid, but I think the extra muscle he put on left him less mobile. This guy can guard in the interior, but step away a few feet in the perimeter (esp. guarding stretch 4s) and he's hopelessly inadequate due to poor mobility and conditioning (which can improve, which is why I still hold hope for him). It just frustrates me that Casey is not allowing him to be the third option scorer for a team that has become frighteningly more guard/perimeter-dependent.

I can't excuse Ross. He had his opportunity to seize from DD's injury, and he failed. He can't pass and he can't rebound, but he can attack...but if he's unable to do that, then he needs to go.

Actually JV didn't put on muscle, he put on fat. Adding weight if it's not muscle will only be a detriment. JV was his best as a lean 7'0. You are either an athletic big or a bruiser. Being in between is not optimal for modern NBA.

[GED Education]

Like it or not, he is still the teams best 3 point shooter and he does attempt a good number. Alternatively PPat is a roleplayer, T-Ross is OUR STARTER, JV is OUR STARTER.

Blame starters before digging to the bench.

Trust me, I share with the rest my frustrations with T-Ross and JV.

I think JV's defense has been putrid, but I think the extra muscle he put on left him less mobile. This guy can guard in the interior, but step away a few feet in the perimeter (esp. guarding stretch 4s) and he's hopelessly inadequate due to poor mobility and conditioning (which can improve, which is why I still hold hope for him). It just frustrates me that Casey is not allowing him to be the third option scorer for a team that has become frighteningly more guard/perimeter-dependent.

I can't excuse Ross. He had his opportunity to seize from DD's injury, and he failed. He can't pass and he can't rebound, but he can attack...but if he's unable to do that, then he needs to go.

Actually JV didn't put on muscle, he put on fat. Adding weight if it's not muscle will only be a detriment. JV was his best as a lean 7'0. You are either an athletic big or a bruiser. Being in between is not optimal for modern NBA.

I wonder if this is just overall genetics. Guys who are 7 feet tend to really put on weight early and maybe JV was just one of those guys. Whatever it is, he is too slow and nonathletic at the moment which is why he D is awful.

[OptimusCrime]

Here's the thing; For a 4, albeit a stretch 4, Patterson never drifts from the three point line. Most of his shots come from there--in fact he didn't have a single shot on paper from the paint or mid-range. The one time he found himself in the paint, he drew a shooting foul. It's messed up when James Johnson is more involved in the paint trying to grab an offensive board than a guy playing the 4.

Like Ross, what's the point of having a player who can provide more spacing when that player can't make a shot in the first place?

Maybe because he's shooting 42% from 3 on the season????

He's 7 for 27 in January. That's in 7 games. In fact, his two FTs tonight were his first in 8 games.

[firefox390]

The Raptors aren't moving the ball well and playing too much man to man on offence. PP is best suited when there is ball movement. We have been killed in the assist category and that pretty much tells you that players are trying to play hero ball.

But it's been like that this whole season, even when we were winning. Even despite the lack of ball movement, 2Pat needs to post up more, and play closer to the rim. If he's going to play perimeter, then we need to trade him.

Have you ever watched Patterson play basketball? Or basketball in general?

He'll be fine. He started the season on a similar rough patch. He's still one of the best three point shooting fours in the NBA. Keep shooting 'em, big fella.

That's the problem. For a guy that's 6-11, PF, he's too dependent on the 3. When the 3 doesn't fall, he needs to find other options to score. He hasn't done so. A few times tonight, he was shy from attacking the rim, and kept passing the ball up when he was a few feet from the basket.

[Inevitable]

No more morning shoot around are hurting the team. We are missing wide open shots consistently.