The tooooo early 2017 free agent watch

Pinkyring · Post #1 » by **Pinkyring** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:04 pm

Its obvious we've decided to chase free agents summer after summer so if dirk opts out which he probably will we should have around 50m in cap room,

Heres the list
Who do you think we'll pursue, who do you want, who will we probably end up with

http://hoopshype.com/2016/05/14/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/

Darren · Post #2 » by **Darren** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:25 pm

There are too many restricted candidates, especially at PG and C. Of all spot, we want an upgrade at PG in particular. Playmaking skills and better defense are the quality we want. Of course, we don't want liability from arc, though.

If we don't have a particular target, we'd better look for trade by deadline. And retain Bogut before the offseason. He's the only quality unrestricted center available.

Darren · Post #3 » by **Darren** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:33 pm

Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose, Jrue Holiday, George Hill, Shuan Livingston are truely available at PG. Andre Iguodala is also available. I don't want we sign Iguodala unless we trade Wes Matthews by deadline. But if we do, we should have fixed either PG or C spot. Shuan Livingston could be the only one truely available to us. Rose is only available if he sucks again.

As for trade option, Ricky Rubio is available. I wonder if we want another Rondo drama but still, there're not much young PG available in trade. I would rather wait and see what we have in Seth Curry.

Darren · Post #4 » by **Darren** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:35 pm

Maybe we offer Wes Matthews to GSW for Andre Iguodala and Shuan Livingston. They will not be able to retain them both as both Curry and Durant expires next offseason. They would rather take on long-term deal, I believe. We get a little more versatile defensively. And we get more deep. Both of them are fine as a playmaker. I think we are fine with them. And our system will run a lot better. The only downside of the deal is fans all over the world will call us Golden States 2.0. Both compliment our system perfectly as DWill can shoot light out and Livingston can guard bigger player. And trade Harris to Sacremento for Koufos. Not bad a rotation for us. We can climb up the playoff ladder a bit with these two trades.

C - Andrew Bogut / Kosta Koufos / Salah Mejri
PG - Dirk Nowitzki / Dwight Powell
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Anderson
SG - Andre Iguodala / Jose Barea
PG - Deron Williams / Shuan Livingston / Seth Curry

Then, we don't need to worry much next offseason. Just bring back every one except Mejri. Replace him with the first rounder and call it an offseason.

k-lynch201 · Post #5 » by **k-lynch201** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:24 pm

Darren wrote:Maybe we offer Wes Matthews to GSW for Andre Iguodala and Shuan Livingston. They will not be able to retain them both as both Curry and Durant expires next offseason. They would rather take on long-term deal, I believe. We get a little more versatile defensively. And we get more deep. Both of them are fine as a playmaker. I think we are fine with them. And our system will run a lot better. The only downside of the deal is fans all over the world will call us Golden States 2.0. Both compliment our system perfectly as DWill can shoot light out and Livingston can guard bigger player. And trade Harris to Sacremento for Koufos. Not bad a rotation for us. We can climb up the playoff ladder a bit with these two trades.

C - Andrew Bogut / Kosta Koufos / Salah Mejri
PG - Dirk Nowitzki / Dwight Powell
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Anderson
SG - Andre Iguodala / Jose Barea
PG - Deron Williams / Shuan Livingston / Seth Curry

Then, we don't need to worry much next offseason. Just bring back every one except Mejri. Replace him with the first rounder and call it an offseason.

This team is awful. And its way too old to compete.

Why would we want Iguodala in his twilight years? And Deron as starting PG again? Livingston is even a bit old. I would rather take a few D leaguers or Rookies and hope for the best.

Dirk will be in what is most likely his last year in 2017-2018.

Darren · Post #6 » by **Darren** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:36 pm

We're not trading young player for older player either. We need ball handlers and we get two. Iguodala had been defensive first team candidate. I don't see him as a downgrade to Matthews. And he's a better fit. He can take the ball to the ground and create. This can maximize our effectiveness with good collection of shooters. As for Livingston, he can bother taller guard with his length. He can distribute and post up. I consider him an upgrade over Harris as well. Livingston is younger than Harris indeed. You can go check for it. Kosta Koufos is also much younger than Salah Mejri. I think he's a lot better than D-leaguers.

Suka Bongcic · Post #7 » by **Suka Bongcic** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:21 am

Darren wrote:We're not trading young player for older player either. We need ball handlers and we get two. Iguodala had been defensive first team candidate. I don't see him as a downgrade to Matthews. And he's a better fit. He can take the ball to the ground and create. This can maximize our effectiveness with good collection of shooters. As for Livingston, he can bother taller guard with his length. He can distribute and post up. I consider him an upgrade over Harris as well. Livingston is younger than Harris indeed. You can go check for it. Kosta Koufos is also much younger than Salah Mejri. I think he's a lot better than D-leaguers.

The problem with your proposed roster is there is no future. It's a better team than the current team, but it's only going to get worse. It'll be a 4-8 seed in the west and likely out in rd 1 or 2. Pretty much what the team is now. Not sure why we'd sign iggy. Even less sure why iggy would sign here. That being said, iggy won't be a Mav. Slim to zero chance that happens. I like Koufos and I love
Livingston. Coming from a guy that watched very Warrior game the last 2 seasons, I believe he's better than dwill right now.

It's my belief that for this team to get back to the top of the west, they need to A: sign a superstar, which probably won't happen or B: nail some draft picks, preferably lottery picks. Sucks that that means we don't make the playoffs, but sometimes that the reality. As good as Carlisle is, team need superstars to really compete with the big boys. This team will have no one close to superstar after dirk leaves

dirkules_41 · Post #8 » by **dirkules_41** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:07 am

They'll all snub the Mavs anyway. No point even discussing this.

2011Champs · Post #9 » by **2011Champs** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:09 am

dirkules_41 wrote:They'll all snub the Mavs anyway. No point even discussing this.

#truth

Post #10 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:31 am

With very few exciting free agency moments we're bound to have some.
Right?! haha
I like many of the players that will be available. Some are older and some are young, but many will make solid additions, so I intend on trying to stay positive. Bring max money and we can land one or two.

k-lynch201 · Post #11 » by **k-lynch201** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 3:56 pm

Although the cap is going to grow again, I think we will have more money then most teams.

Since most have spent big this summer. I would expect a new starting PG one way or another, Bogut could return, if things go well.

tribulations · Post #12 » by **tribulations** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:23 pm

I would love to get Nerlens Noel

Mr B · Post #13 » by **Mr B** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:21 pm

tribulations wrote:I would love to get Nerlens Noel

If the Mavs don't trade for him at the trade dealing that is who I fully expect them to make a run at in free agency. I also know that they have had an interest in Jeff Teague in the past so he might also be a target. I doubt he leaves Indy though. I have zero interest in Rubio.

bobsquad · Post #14 » by **bobsquad** » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:29 am

Darren wrote:There are too many restricted candidates, especially at PG and C. Of all spot, we want an upgrade at PG in particular. Playmaking skills and better defense are the quality we want. Of course, we don't want liability from arc, though.

If we don't have a particular target, we'd better look for trade by deadline. And retain Bogut before the offseason. He's the only quality unrestricted center available.

But we have our best luck with RFAs, in 2014 and again in 2016. Be the one to throw a ton of money at a RFA and you have less competition than with UFAs. Now that Dirk has finally come out and admitted "Dallas isn't an attractive destinations for free agents", look for the team to eschew the UFA pursuit and its inevitable disappointment and just get out there and sign some offer sheets.

I'm looking at Michael Carter-Williams, Kelly Olynyk, and Gorgui Dieng. No, that isn't the cream of the crop. But those are all young-ish guys with clear talent who will all get QOs but probably aren't enough of their current teams' plans to give them near-max deals.

arkuo · Post #15 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:33 am

If cap space permits, I hope we throw the max at the Greek Freak. He could very well be Dirk's replacement in 2 years time.

SOUNDCHASER · Post #16 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:08 am

Noel would be interesting but his 3 point shooting is awful the other prospect at PF I like is Ibaka and he can hit 3's and is young still.

Of course if our youth develops into decent players that we want to keep we have that option right? So what happens if we develop next year's starter this year from the young guys we have signed?

Curry or Gibson could become a better option at pg most likely Curry who is reminding me of Nash with his 3 point shooting skills. Then let's say Hammons develops into a serviceable center by years end.

If this happens in Hams rookie season that could mean we have something special and can now consider him a major find and someone to groom for the future with a role at either starter or at least a major cog in a center rotation. If he develops his 3 then he may even impress enough to win some time at the 4.

Adding pieces to the team when we have these 2 with great potential and with so many questions around them, this just means we need to see what they can do before we do get to free agency next season,

I mean do we want to make it look like we have a need for a PG and a PF to to attract a top level free agent? Is developing a Curry or a Hammons into starter status going to prevent us from attracting top free agents looking to potentially come here. If you are a veteran starter are you looking to go where a potential replacement is going to bench you?

Mr B · Post #17 » by **Mr B** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:50 pm

arkuo wrote:If cap space permits, I hope we throw the max at the Greek Freak. He could very well be Dirk's replacement in 2 years time.

There is absolutely no way the Bucks let him get away. They have a very talented young roster and can pay him more than anyone else.

Mr B · Post #18 » by **Mr B** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:52 pm

SOUNDCHASER wrote:Noel would be interesting but his 3 point shooting is awful the other prospect at PF I like is Ibaka and he can hit 3's and is young still.

Of course if our youth develops into decent players that we want to keep we have that option right? So what happens if we develop next year's starter this year from the young guys we have signed?

Curry or Gibson could become a better option at pg most likely Curry who is reminding me of Nash with his 3 point shooting skills. Then let's say Hammons develops into a serviceable center by years end.

If this happens in Hams rookie season that could mean we have something special and can now consider him a major find and someone to groom for the future with a role at either starter or at least a major cog in a center rotation. If he develops his 3 then he may even impress enough to win some time at the 4.

Adding pieces to the team when we have these 2 with great potential and with so many questions around them, this just means we need to see what they can do before we do get to free agency next season,

I mean do we want to make it look like we have a need for a PG and a PF to to attract a top level free agent? Is developing a Curry or a Hammons into starter status going to prevent us from attracting top free agents looking to potentially come here. If you are a veteran starter are you looking to go where a potential replacement is going to bench you?

Is Noel a center or PF? I was under the impression he's a center. Either way he would be brought in for his defense and rebounding. The Mavs will look to get their scoring from other positions. Noel's points would come largely on put backs and lob dunks.

2011Champs · Post #19 » by **2011Champs** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:49 pm

Mr B wrote:
arkuo wrote:If cap space permits, I hope we throw the max at the Greek Freak. He could very well be Dirk's replacement in 2 years time.

There is absolutely no way the Bucks let him get away. They have a very talented young roster and can pay him more than anyone else.

Mavs lost out on Giannis when they completed F***ed up the draft to save like 99 cents of cap space to sign nobody. Bucks not letting him go at any cost. Mark Cuban would have a better chance of selling The Mavs and buying the Bucks if he wants The Greek Freak.

SOUNDCHASER · Post #20 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:29 pm

wasn't that the draft I think I wanted Draymond Green in the 2nd round and instead we got Crowder instead. We can all be permanently PO'd if we look at that period of time. Cubes definitely had his head up his you know what that off season. Greek Freak was another one that we all wanted and were hyped we would get and what do we get Larkin. I need a puking emoticon for me to use in this case.