Has your view of Mark Cuban changed?

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Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#1 » by Pinkyring » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:54 pm

Here's what I mean, he kind of ushered the lane for the new age owner, the young tech billionaire who was loud and brash, would fight with the refs, have all the nice locker room stuff and spend whatever it took to win. Seems like everything he's done post championship has just been terrible. Aside from not overpaying some of those guys to stay, the contracts he's handed out since on a larger scale, parsons, matthews, barnes, to a smaller scale, barea, to the trades rondo, have all been terrible decisions. So 6 or 7 years ago, almost every fan base would have loved him as their teams owner, has that changed?
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#2 » by Quotatious » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:02 pm

I think he's one of the best owners in the NBA, has been for a long time. My opinion hasn't really changed, at all, because it's clear that he just wants to keep a team that will be able to compete for a playoff spot as long as Dirk is playing. There's so much loyalty between Cuban and Dirk, he wants to make sure that Nowitzki retires in Dallas and doesn't want to tank or totally change the roster in one offseason because Dirk apparently despises tanking (I would be the same way if I was Dirk).

I can't criticize Cuban if the Mavs have such an outstanding winning percentage with him as their owner, and have been an overachieving team for the last few years. Dallas hasn't had a losing record in more than 15 years, even though they played in the tougher conference for basically all of that time.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#3 » by Devassa » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:05 pm

Cuban has been dishing out awful contracts since he arrived.. The only difference now is that Dirk is too old to carry us like he did from 2000-2011 and we aren't an attractive free agent destination anymore because no marquee player wants to be #2 in Dallas, which is what they would be if they came here. It sucks for Dirk and Carlisle's sake, but it is what it is. I'm not expecting any sort of playoff success until after 2020
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#4 » by Capn'O » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:05 pm

Here's the thing about Cuban - they've been chasing the dragon for awhile now, trying to grab one last bit of glory during Dirk's tenure. Players around the league see that and it's likely part of why marquee players aren't signing on. They see the writing on the wall. So he doesn't have a ton of options kind of like the Lakers during Kobe's last years.

So right now Cuban's passion and loyalty, the very thing that helped him turn Dallas around, is working against him. They're still fighting for playoff berths and that's good but they're going to need to tear it down soon. Once they move past Dirk, maybe hire a few front office guys that can manage the draft better, I think Cuban becomes an asset again. It is contingent upon him putting together the right management team for the new NBA.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#5 » by dc » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:11 pm

Hasn't changed. He's still the same guy he was when he came in. It's just that there's been an influx of more "new age" owners into the league over the last decade, so he's just not quite as unique as he used to be. I think players (Rajon Rondo not withstanding) who have spent time playing in Dallas generally have a high satisfaction level of their experience.

From a basketball standpoint, I just don't think they've done well in the draft through the years. A lot of that has to do with winning a lot and subsequently picking later in the draft, but for all the scouting resources they've had, they haven't produced enough assets out of the draft. So when it comes to FA time, they haven't been able to flash an attractive young core to lure other stars in. It's been Dirk and whatever else they can scrape together. (By the same token, they've lacked the assets to make prospective trades for stars).

Also, I think the lux tax is a lot more punitive than it used to be. Back in the day, Cuban would peddle off junk assets on shorter contracts in order to acquire highly paid pseudo stars from other teams. That's how he'd acquire assets back then. That's how he was able to get guys like LaFrentz, Antawn Jamison and Antoine Walker when their original teams didn't think they could get any further with these guys as their franchise players. He footed a high lux tax bill for making moves like that, but the tax for doing stuff like that nowadays hurts quite a bit more.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#6 » by DusterBuster » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:16 pm

My view of him hasn't changed. His only really poor decision imo was blowing up the championship team. Granted, that team was old as dirt so it probably didn't have much of a window in terms of longevity, but keeping them together for a couple more years would have been smart imo.

Everything he's done post-championship has been simply to keep Dirk happy. Dirk's more than on the record as saying he refuses to play on a rebuilding roster, so Cuban's loyalty to Dirk has forced his hand in trying anything and everything to keep the Mavs competitive. He's brought in talented guys...

They got Rondo for next to nothing at the time, Crowder wasn't anything close to what he is now. That's a risk all teams run when they throw in guys to a deal that may get a bigger role on another team.

Parsons was young and coming off a really impressive season with Houston. Parsons being so injury plagued seemed to be a bit out of the blue as he was fairly healthy throughout most of his NBA career iirc.

He nearly got Jordan which would have made Matthews' deal make more sense. The Jordan fiasco was pretty much out of his control, so once he bailed, it would have made the Mavs look really bad to pull their offer they made to Wes.

Barnes and Bogut, I'm still willing to give that a bit of time even though so far Barnes has looked like hot garbage.

So yeah, all in all, the moves he's made or tried to make haven't really been bad moves imo. They've just not worked out for a various number of reasons. The biggest problem they've had is trying to patchwork a competitive roster around Dirk's last few years when in reality that team simply just needs a full tear down rebuild.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#7 » by wickedwrister » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:27 pm

Still a top tier owner and would certainly love him over the hedge fund bros/Collangelo combo in Philly right now.

Oddly enough Dallas has been hampered by Dirk's post prime lasting longer than usual. They would have been better served from not chasing one last shot that they feel they owe Dirk. Letting Chandler go after the title and then the Rondo trade (losing Wright, Crowder and a 1st against Carlilse's wishes) was also probably the big ownership mistakes but otherwise its just really hard to win in today's NBA and I'd rather have an owner that tries their hardest to do so intelligently which Cuban does.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#8 » by jerep_path » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:29 pm

Not entirely. Cuban is the same person and the same decision maker. He's been making the same kind of decisions since long ago. Unfortunately, it backfired recently and our perception of him pretty much changed.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#9 » by OnceUponADime » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:30 pm

I think he's a decent owner but his biggest asset other than Dirk will always be Rick Carslie who is probably the most underrated coach in the league.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#10 » by Chuck Everett » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:31 pm

If the Mavs actually didn't suck in the draft over and over again, this wouldn't be an issue. The problem is Donnie Nelson hasn't taken a good player in the draft since Josh Howard in 2003. That's egregious ineptitude.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#11 » by DusterBuster » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:39 pm

OnceUponADime wrote:I think he's a decent owner but his biggest asset other than Dirk will always be Rick Carslie who is probably the most underrated coach in the league.


Rick is routinely considered one of the top 5 coaches in the league and is very well respected. Don't think he's underrated at all.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#12 » by jlokine » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:39 pm

as a Toronto fan,

at least you guys have a face to love/hate.. all we can say is MLSE or bell and rogers is cheap.

and raptors are owned by 2 media giants whose main interests is profits. that being said, at least they've taken a more hands off approach vs dolan or ranadive. i would definitely would prefer to have a mark cuban/steve ballmer passionate guy than a corporation for an owner. unless of course if your owner is jeffrey loria in the MLB or donald sterling, then i'd rather have the corporation.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#13 » by nomansland » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:47 pm

Nah he's still a good owner and still a guy I wouldn't mind owning my team. The Dirk situation has kind of painted him in a corner recently; once Dirk goes we'll see what Cuban's FO can do.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#14 » by NZB2323 » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:51 pm

1.) Mark Cuban is not the GM of the Mavs.

2.) All GMs make some mistakes.

3.) I can't blame him for overpaying guys to play with Dirk for Dirk's golden years.

4.) Cuban is still a great owner.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#15 » by JulesWinnfield » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:53 pm

I don't like the way he goes after NBA officials constantly like an immature fan. That remains a pet peeve of mine. Of course I'm sure many people love it because they expect officials to never make any mistakes ever and everyone feels they can do a superior job from their couch. I don't have a tony brothers poster on my wall or anything, but as someone who loves this game and this league, I don't like seeing someone in his position feeding into some of this nonsense and conspiracy BS. It's just not good for the game and it's ultimately born out of him being an immature baby. He's giving voice to the type of fan I most despise, the type who wants to make everything about the refs all the time

Outside of that, no issue with him. I couldn't care less how he runs the Mavs, I'm not a Mavs fan. I do enjoy the way he takes little digs at trump during this campaign season. Especially as someone who owns a team in red state Texas, respect for that. (Even though Texas isn't quite as red as it once was)
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#16 » by phanman » Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:01 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:If the Mavs actually didn't suck in the draft over and over again, this wouldn't be an issue. The problem is Donnie Nelson hasn't taken a good player in the draft since Josh Howard in 2003. That's egregious ineptitude.


Its hard to hit when your continually drafting outside the lottery..

The thing with the Mavs is ever since they won the chip in 2011, management tried their best to preserve the big cap space year in and year out only to find that the top dogs didn't want to join the Mavs.

They went with short-term 1 year rentals on players such as: Odom, Mahinimi, West, Jianlian, Mayo, Kaman, MJ, Brand, Collison, Jefferson, Chandler, Nelson, McGee etc. etc.

While routinely whiffing out on the top franchising changing talents. Last year was really an anomaly man.. they were set to return with a competitive group with Jordan but when he reneged I think it was more a PR move for Dallas showing they take care of their players in regards to increasing Barea's and Matthew's contract.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#17 » by High 5 » Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:19 pm

No, I still think he's the best Shark. It is annoying when he refuses to let the entrepreneur hear out other offers or when he dismisses the entire presentation before they get a chance, but he generally seems like a cool guy and who doesn't want to be partners with a billionaire? I will say that Lori has made it a tighter race than I ever thought she would. She's kind of a goober, but she has a good heart and she sure can move product.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#18 » by spacemonkey » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:17 pm

I don't think any less of him as an owner for the post championship state of the Mavs. He's willing to pay the money, and they're getting the guys that they can. He's not the GM, and if he were to constantly step in and override the GM, then that would make him a bad owner. There needs to be separation.

Though with that said, I've never been a huge fan. The thought of him try to put his arm around me while his t-shirt looks gross with pitsweat is just *shudder*

But I realize that is a very, very, personal and specific hangup.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#19 » by JellosJigglin » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:38 pm

I like Cuban, but personally I would not want an owner that seeks out attention as much as he does. Just write the checks and don't make yourself the story. That's just me.

As a team architect he's been building around Dirk with upper level role players, but the true test of what kind of owner he actually is will be when he has to rebuild without Dirk. I was surprised when he broke up a championship team.
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Re: Has your view of Mark Cuban changed? 

Post#20 » by Cubbies2120 » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:50 pm

I like him a lot better during the MLB season than I do during the NBA season.
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