Jeffster81 wrote:I'm fine with the punter especially after the Bears traded back in for Booker. Bears needed an upgrade at punter and they got it.
could have gotten a big upgrade cheaply in FA w/o using a pick
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Jeffster81 wrote:I'm fine with the punter especially after the Bears traded back in for Booker. Bears needed an upgrade at punter and they got it.
dice wrote:Jeffster81 wrote:I'm fine with the punter especially after the Bears traded back in for Booker. Bears needed an upgrade at punter and they got it.
could have gotten a big upgrade cheaply in FA w/o using a pick
dice wrote:Jeffster81 wrote:I'm fine with the punter especially after the Bears traded back in for Booker. Bears needed an upgrade at punter and they got it.
could have gotten a big upgrade cheaply in FA w/o using a pick
Jeffster81 wrote:dice wrote:Jeffster81 wrote:I'm fine with the punter especially after the Bears traded back in for Booker. Bears needed an upgrade at punter and they got it.
could have gotten a big upgrade cheaply in FA w/o using a pick
Nobody else picked there would have contributed in 2024. It's a fine pick.
dice wrote:Jeffster81 wrote:I'm fine with the punter especially after the Bears traded back in for Booker. Bears needed an upgrade at punter and they got it.
could have gotten a big upgrade cheaply in FA w/o using a pick
ThisGuyFawkes wrote:dice wrote:Jeffster81 wrote:I'm fine with the punter especially after the Bears traded back in for Booker. Bears needed an upgrade at punter and they got it.
could have gotten a big upgrade cheaply in FA w/o using a pick
What FA punter would have been a big upgrade? Taylor broke an 85-year old NCAA record with a 67 yard punt. He had the most punts in college last year and still had the 4th best yards per punt. He led college in punts downed within the 20. And he's on a 4th round rookie salary.
He'll most likely be a top-10 or better punter as a rookie and we don't have to pay him much.
I understand the idea that picking a punter in the 4th round is a reach but the argument that we could have made a better upgrade in FA is also a reach.
TheJordanRule wrote:dice wrote:Jeffster81 wrote:I'm fine with the punter especially after the Bears traded back in for Booker. Bears needed an upgrade at punter and they got it.
could have gotten a big upgrade cheaply in FA w/o using a pick
You’ve been too hard with Poles Diceman (that’s what she said lol). Our punter was dead last in the game last year. Poles had a thoughtful set of selections. We got a lot stronger on offense. Wouldn’t be surprised if the O line becomes better and better as the year goes by. The defense can afford to wait till next year. We wanted to get Caleb off to a good start from the jump. Treating a QB right from Day 1 is refreshing and new… I’m loving the Poles era rn.
dice wrote:Jeffster81 wrote:dice wrote:could have gotten a big upgrade cheaply in FA w/o using a pick
Nobody else picked there would have contributed in 2024. It's a fine pick.
how do you know that? and why are we fixated on 2024 over the long-term?
he might have a rough nfl adjustment too. different ball, not out there nearly as regularly, winds off the lake...
He's bulked up to 253-255 IIRC.biggestbullsfan wrote:
Get off seems a little slow at times but looks like he plays the run decently and has a few potential sacks if he made the right play. Just missed the QB but he got back there a bunch
Dice, give it a rest dude. Your schtick is old & tired. Focus on the positive of the now.dice wrote:JockItch43 wrote:Dresden wrote:
Look at the total return we got for Bryce Young, and then tell me Poles is a lousy GM:
Darnell Wright, Stevenson, DJ Moore, Caleb Williams, and 2025 2nd round pick.
That trade alone has vaulted us from just another team trying to rebuild, to one of the most promising young rosters in the league.
And then he just attributes it to luck lmao. There's no convincing this guy of anything... he has his mind made up.
again with the childish 'lmao' junk? how 'bout an adult conversation? i never said it was ALL luck, did i?
did you not see the end of the texans game that gave us the #1 pick? tell me that wasn't luck. poles didn't do that. or did he?
tell me it wasn't luck that carolina had the worst record last season. poles didn't do that. or did he?
tell me it wasn't luck that poles gets ANOTHER shot at a generational QB. poles didn't choose the year that a caleb williams level talent was available. or did he?
tell me it wasn't luck that odunze fell to the bears. poles didn't do that. or did he?
what else has he done? paid a price that no other team was willing to for sweat and allen? them being excellent players doesn't make acquiring them an achievement. winning an auction never is. re-sign jaylon johnson, a guy he didn't draft? is that an achievement? choose eberflus? absolutely none of this involves shrewd strategy or valuation
so...what has ryan poles done well? got a steal linebacker last year in edwards...sanborn...braxton...brisker's pretty good...stevenson looks like a good recovery after pissing away the opportunity to draft porter. that's about all that's notable to date that involved actual talent evaluation. nothing earth shattering. every GM makes some good moves
it was the initial decision to tank along with betting (incorrectly) on fields that has combined to bless poles beyond any reasonable expectation
back to all your fanboying and pretending that ryan poles had any inkling in advance that choosing fields would present him with the opportunity to draft caleb williams. and assuming that it was bryce young that he was trading rather than CJ stroud. total garbage argument in his favor. that was luck by any reasonable definition and you all know it
anybody who says that ryan poles traded bryce young for caleb williams is being extremely disingenuous. you know who you are
Michael Jackson wrote:fleet wrote:Michael Jackson wrote:
I guess but yet still traded for another pick later than that for a position of need. Pretty odd. Why not just take Booker there and keep the pick. If the talent was soooo bad why are you trading a higher pick to draft a guy that was there? Very strange.
Ah. Don’t get your hopes up on Booker indeed. And also, while I actually don’t mind the trade-in in this instance, as previously mentioned Poles often has a tendency to do things under pressure with picks that annoy the crap outa me. Desperate times.
I don't have a ton of hope for Booker. He might be good but just as likely not. The point is wasting a pick next year... hmmmm
Almost Retired wrote:Michael Jackson wrote:fleet wrote:Ah. Don’t get your hopes up on Booker indeed. And also, while I actually don’t mind the trade-in in this instance, as previously mentioned Poles often has a tendency to do things under pressure with picks that annoy the crap outa me. Desperate times.
I don't have a ton of hope for Booker. He might be good but just as likely not. The point is wasting a pick next year... hmmmm
Yet we still have 8 picks next year including 2 Second Rounders. Booker will make the squad, for special team coverage if nothing else. He may even get some snaps as an EDGE later in the season. It was not a wasted pick. The kid is 21 years old. He will add weight and strength. There are no more classes to attend. He can now devote himself 100% to improving. And he will.
dougthonus wrote:I'd say this about Poles. His biggest hits have a massive luck component to them. A lot of his biggest failures felt really dumb in the moment. In a pure neutral environment with luck removed, I'd guess he's no better than average.
That said, it's not this year's problem. This is a great time to be a Bear's fan and whatever mistakes Poles made earlier or even now have largely been washed away by the RNG gods to put us in this great situation. He can still learn / improve in the future.
Hold That wrote:dougthonus wrote:I'd say this about Poles. His biggest hits have a massive luck component to them. A lot of his biggest failures felt really dumb in the moment. In a pure neutral environment with luck removed, I'd guess he's no better than average.
That said, it's not this year's problem. This is a great time to be a Bear's fan and whatever mistakes Poles made earlier or even now have largely been washed away by the RNG gods to put us in this great situation. He can still learn / improve in the future.
Identifying Gordon and Brisker in the 2nd round wasn’t luck it’s scouting
Identifying Stevenson wasnt luck in the 3rd round that’s scouting, Braxton Jones a starting LT in the 5th, Gervin Dexter in the 4th..
Trading Sweat for a 2nd rounder which turned around our defense and helped our secondary by getting more pressure on the QB.
Bad moves were drafting Velus and trading for Claypool. What are the other “dumb moves” you can name out of all the moves he’s done?
sco wrote:Hold That wrote:dougthonus wrote:I'd say this about Poles. His biggest hits have a massive luck component to them. A lot of his biggest failures felt really dumb in the moment. In a pure neutral environment with luck removed, I'd guess he's no better than average.
That said, it's not this year's problem. This is a great time to be a Bear's fan and whatever mistakes Poles made earlier or even now have largely been washed away by the RNG gods to put us in this great situation. He can still learn / improve in the future.
Identifying Gordon and Brisker in the 2nd round wasn’t luck it’s scouting
Identifying Stevenson wasnt luck in the 3rd round that’s scouting, Braxton Jones a starting LT in the 5th, Gervin Dexter in the 4th..
Trading Sweat for a 2nd rounder which turned around our defense and helped our secondary by getting more pressure on the QB.
Bad moves were drafting Velus and trading for Claypool. What are the other “dumb moves” you can name out of all the moves he’s done?
Passing on Carter.