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Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem?

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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#41 » by WindyCityBorn » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:35 pm

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sco wrote:So for those who don't think Giddey has fixed his shooting problems:

A) Is there some number of shots or period of time shooting at this level that you would say, "yes he has"?

B) If not, does he need to fix his release speed and form to have you say "yes he has"?

C) You feel that others just don't see Giddey for the bad shooter and defender that he is and you will always feel this way!


A least a two season sample size of improved shooting or 500+ 3PAs. I not buying Giddey's improved shooting right now for the same reason I don't buy Vuc's improved shooting this season.

I would still like a form change and improved release speed. Without a form change, I don't think Giddey will ever be a pull up shooting threat. The release speed gives defenses too much leeway when helping off of him.


Release speed has already improved a bit from the start of the season. That might be a result of just being confident in taking the shots.
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#42 » by Chi town » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:02 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:I think he is showing he the potential to be a really good consistent 3 point shooter if he puts in the work. Right now he looks confident and that step back was something I didn’t think he had in bag or ever would have.


I need this step back clip.

Gotta see it to believe it.
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#43 » by Muzbar » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:34 am

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WindyCityBorn wrote:I think he is showing he the potential to be a really good consistent 3 point shooter if he puts in the work. Right now he looks confident and that step back was something I didn’t think he had in bag or ever would have.


I need this step back clip.

Gotta see it to believe it.

It's not really a step back, more of a walk back.
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#44 » by dougthonus » Wed Feb 26, 2025 11:46 am

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WindyCityBorn wrote:I think he is showing he the potential to be a really good consistent 3 point shooter if he puts in the work. Right now he looks confident and that step back was something I didn’t think he had in bag or ever would have.


I need this step back clip.

Gotta see it to believe it.




At about the 7:55 mark.

Haha, watching it back it definitely wasn't nearly as impressive as I remembered it in my head. It was definitely more of a walk back.
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#45 » by DASMACKDOWN » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:10 pm

I wouldn't say he has "fixed" his shooting.

I think nearly everyone can just improve on their own shot. Make it faster, add more arc etc. Fix normally means its a broken shot, terrible form and its a hinderance.

Like Lonzo for instance. Completely broken shot, but now shoots it in a whole new way. So Lonzo actually fixed his shot. Giddey still shoots it the same.

At the moment, despite him shooting a decent percentage (37%) I can only categorize him as a "capable shooter".
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#46 » by sco » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:35 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:I wouldn't say he has "fixed" his shooting.

I think nearly everyone can just improve on their own shot. Make it faster, add more arc etc. Fix normally means its a broken shot, terrible form and its a hinderance.

Like Lonzo for instance. Completely broken shot, but now shoots it in a whole new way. So Lonzo actually fixed his shot. Giddey still shoots it the same.

At the moment, despite him shooting a decent percentage (37%) I can only categorize him as a "capable shooter".

Actually, you reminded me of another question. I know Ball "fixed" his 3pt form, but his current form isn't what I'd call traditional, is it? It's a very quick shot, but it's a very low release and not much of a follow-through.
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#47 » by dougthonus » Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:01 pm

sco wrote:Actually, you reminded me of another question. I know Ball "fixed" his 3pt form, but his current form isn't what I'd call traditional, is it? It's a very quick shot, but it's a very low release and not much of a follow-through.


Low release point is becoming a lot more popular because it often allows for a much quicker release.
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#48 » by Guru » Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:05 pm

What will be interesting is if they tear down his form over the summer, given how well he's doing it. I assume these shooting coaches probably do it incrementally when the player is already having success.
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#49 » by Chi town » Wed Feb 26, 2025 3:18 pm

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Chi town wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:I think he is showing he the potential to be a really good consistent 3 point shooter if he puts in the work. Right now he looks confident and that step back was something I didn’t think he had in bag or ever would have.


I need this step back clip.

Gotta see it to believe it.




At about the 7:55 mark.

Haha, watching it back it definitely wasn't nearly as impressive as I remembered it in my head. It was definitely more of a walk back.


The walk back. Don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#50 » by Chi town » Wed Feb 26, 2025 3:24 pm

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2weekswithpay wrote:
sco wrote:So for those who don't think Giddey has fixed his shooting problems:

A) Is there some number of shots or period of time shooting at this level that you would say, "yes he has"?

B) If not, does he need to fix his release speed and form to have you say "yes he has"?

C) You feel that others just don't see Giddey for the bad shooter and defender that he is and you will always feel this way!


A least a two season sample size of improved shooting or 500+ 3PAs. I not buying Giddey's improved shooting right now for the same reason I don't buy Vuc's improved shooting this season.

I would still like a form change and improved release speed. Without a form change, I don't think Giddey will ever be a pull up shooting threat. The release speed gives defenses too much leeway when helping off of him.


Release speed has already improved a bit from the start of the season. That might be a result of just being confident in taking the shots.


He hasn’t fixed his shot but I have been saying he has improved his shot mechanics set up by 50%. He’s no longer heaving it. He’s actually shooting it with a good follow through, better rotation and higher arc. All good things.

He still need to improve and smooth out the setup and has to get better footwork and be more ready to shoot when he’s passed the ball. He is starting to call for the ball and have his hands up as a target for the pass.

I didn’t expect this in season as it’s his contract year and thought it would happen this summer. His 3 ball and FTs look much improved and the numbers back it up.

I actually think Giddey will be a good FT and 3pt shooter. The question is volume. Can he actually get his volume to league average?
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#51 » by dougthonus » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:37 pm

Chi town wrote:He hasn’t fixed his shot but I have been saying he has improved his shot mechanics set up by 50%. He’s no longer heaving it. He’s actually shooting it with a good follow through, better rotation and higher arc. All good things.

He still need to improve and smooth out the setup and has to get better footwork and be more ready to shoot when he’s passed the ball. He is starting to call for the ball and have his hands up as a target for the pass.


I agree certain aspects of his mechanics look better / smoother as the season has gone on. He doesn't look like a 4th grader heaving the ball anymore and is much more stable in his body movement.

I actually think Giddey will be a good FT and 3pt shooter. The question is volume. Can he actually get his volume to league average?


At 3.9 per game this year, I don't think he's far off the pace.
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#52 » by Chi town » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:59 pm

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Chi town wrote:He hasn’t fixed his shot but I have been saying he has improved his shot mechanics set up by 50%. He’s no longer heaving it. He’s actually shooting it with a good follow through, better rotation and higher arc. All good things.

He still need to improve and smooth out the setup and has to get better footwork and be more ready to shoot when he’s passed the ball. He is starting to call for the ball and have his hands up as a target for the pass.


I agree certain aspects of his mechanics look better / smoother as the season has gone on. He doesn't look like a 4th grader heaving the ball anymore and is much more stable in his body movement.

I actually think Giddey will be a good FT and 3pt shooter. The question is volume. Can he actually get his volume to league average?


At 3.9 per game this year, I don't think he's far off the pace.


He needs to be 5+ per game and start shooting off the bounce in transition and in PNR when teams go under the screen.

I actually believe in him getting 6 FTs per game and making 80% more.

Now if he gets 5 3s per game at 40% and 6FTs at 80% we are looking at a legit offensive engine 2nd option. Probably efficient 22ppg to go with those rebounds and assists. That’s a keeper.
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#53 » by dougthonus » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:14 pm

Chi town wrote:Now if he gets 5 3s per game at 40% and 6FTs at 80% we are looking at a legit offensive engine 2nd option. Probably efficient 22ppg to go with those rebounds and assists. That’s a keeper.


I mean sure, but he's no where near that now.

How many players in the league could you say "If they went from a below average efficiency scorer to a highly efficient scorer and also massively increased their volume at the same time, then they'd be really good".
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#54 » by Chi town » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:20 pm

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Chi town wrote:Now if he gets 5 3s per game at 40% and 6FTs at 80% we are looking at a legit offensive engine 2nd option. Probably efficient 22ppg to go with those rebounds and assists. That’s a keeper.


I mean sure, but he's no where near that now.

How many players in the league could you say "If they went from a below average efficiency scorer to a highly efficient scorer and also massively increased their volume at the same time, then they'd be really good".


I’m looking at his most recent sample post Zach. Shots and opportunities have opened up. In essence it’s his team right now.

I think he get the 3s in the next couple years as the league shoots more and more 3s. 5 per game won’t be much 3s.

What I really want to see is the FTs and him using his IQ to get to the line. That would be the big number to make him jump up in efficient.

I think his shot is good enough now to get to 80% FTs
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#55 » by BullChit » Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:43 pm

He's definitely going to have a drop off at some point soon in his scoring and shooting % but what encourages me is his attacking the rim.

He has an awkward style but isn't slow like Luka who obviously has a craftyness and smoothnes to his skill set...

And he hasn't really gotten much of a chance to work with Peter Patton so the shot could continue to grow too.

There is no reason why he can't develop into a Luka Lite type player on this team. (emphasis on the lite... Diet Doncic if you will)

Im very excited about the prospect of watching him grow as we build something the next few years...
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#56 » by SalmonsSuperfan » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:11 pm

That guy’s been on fire lately but does anyone else think he’s aging rapidly and looks terrible? Like bro, you’re 22, you should still look like a twink; what happened. Alcoholism?
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#57 » by Chi town » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:51 pm

2-6 from 3 against the Raps…

Finally took a 3 in PNR when Raps went under the screen. He should 1-2 of these 3s per game.

His misses were long! Great news. Shows his new motion is getting consistent. His heave missed were ALWAYS short.

He still passed up two 3s and wasn’t ready to shoot when he got the ball. Can’t happen. This led to shot clock violations because he can’t really get his own shot and he has no midrange game outside a 3 ball and rim drive.

Giddey needs to add the jab step 3 when he gets the ball and he not ready to shoot. That would be better than a shot clock violation.
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Re: Has Giddey fixed his shooting problem? 

Post#58 » by WindyCityBorn » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:52 pm

BullChit wrote:He's definitely going to have a drop off at some point soon in his scoring and shooting % but what encourages me is his attacking the rim.

He has an awkward style but isn't slow like Luka who obviously has a craftyness and smoothnes to his skill set...

And he hasn't really gotten much of a chance to work with Peter Patton so the shot could continue to grow too.

There is no reason why he can't develop into a Luka Lite type player on this team. (emphasis on the lite... Diet Doncic if you will)

Im very excited about the prospect of watching him grow as we build something the next few years...


Yep he won’t ever be the scorer Doncic is, but he can do everything else. And scoring is looking a lot better now. Defense is competent. 18/7/7 on good efficiency doesn’t seem unreasonable now.

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