Bulls @ Pacers 4pm CT Mar. 2 2025

[Ice Man]

Yeah the league average is around 1.2 points per shot, that's basically what Giddey got tonight.

The True Shooting % math includes the effect of free throws, because if you get fouled on a shot, are awarded FTs, and make those FTs, that is equivalent to taking and making a shot. But that shot attempt does not appear in the box score if the player is fouled. In other words, the box score overstates the efficiency of players who are fouled while making shots. They typically have a high True Shooting efficiency, because getting fouls is good, but they are not as efficient as first appears.

A long winded way of saying that Giddey was not efficient last night. Yes, he took only 15 official shots, but he also attempted several more that earned fouls, so overall he scored fewer points than attempts at the basket. His True Shooting Percentage for the game was 46%. He's been on a good shooting streak but yesterday he was off.

[Chi town]

Poor shooting game from Giddey, but he was able to mitigate that a bit by getting the free throw line 11 times!! Stuff the stat sheet again as has become norm.

Another solid game from Collins. Good scoring by Coby.

11FTs was great.

His lack of being able to create his own shot score was very evident tonight. Looked ugly at times.

Good experience with a good team keying on him defensive. He can create his own shot. One rough shooting night after a bunch of great doesn’t change that. If it becomes a pattern we can revisit. But I know you cannot wait for it. Probably hoping for it.

Not at all. Why would I hope for Giddey to fail?

You’re right. Giddey can create his own shot he just not very good at it and he doesn’t do it very often. Until his latest surge he wasn’t creating any 3s off the bounce and was passing up way to many that were open. He has a very limited mid ranges game and barely ever shoots unless it’s a downhill shot at the rim or in the paint.

When the shot clock starts ticking down he doesn’t really know what to do. Lastnight he DeMared it several times where he just passed it away after dribbling the clock down and it became a violation or a bad shot/turnover.

I want to see Guddey get more creative and aggressive creating for himself off the bounce. I think he can do it but just hasn’t shown it. Much like his improvement on D and his developing shot.

[sco]

11FTs was great.

His lack of being able to create his own shot score was very evident tonight. Looked ugly at times.

Good experience with a good team keying on him defensive. He can create his own shot. One rough shooting night after a bunch of great doesn’t change that. If it becomes a pattern we can revisit. But I know you cannot wait for it. Probably hoping for it.

Not at all. Why would I hope for Giddey to fail?

You’re right. Giddey can create his own shot he just not very good at it and he doesn’t do it very often. Until his latest surge he wasn’t creating any 3s off the bounce and was passing up way to many that were open. He has a very limited mid ranges game and barely ever shoots unless it’s a downhill shot at the rim or in the paint.

When the shot clock starts ticking down he doesn’t really know what to do. Lastnight he DeMared it several times where he just passed it away after dribbling the clock down and it became a violation or a bad shot/turnover.

I want to see Guddey get more creative and aggressive creating for himself off the bounce. I think he can do it but just hasn’t shown it. Much like his improvement on D and his developing shot.

I think this is a good example of why I think Giddey has potential to be a #2 option and not a #1 on offense. Right now his main strength is getting to the rim. He's an average 3pt shooter (which is an improvement). But he has no mid-range game. He is crafty off the dribble, but doesn't have an arsenal of moves.

The related problem is that the Bulls don't have anybody else, except maybe Coby (who is even worse at creating his shot off the dribble). Also, as Stacy notes, the rest of the team is so stagnant that nobody helps out the driver. Huerter is the most helpful here, but he is just ok. Matas has some potential, but he is often caught standing around.

[kodo]

Yeah the league average is around 1.2 points per shot, that's basically what Giddey got tonight.

The True Shooting % math includes the effect of free throws, because if you get fouled on a shot, are awarded FTs, and make those FTs, that is equivalent to taking and making a shot. But that shot attempt does not appear in the box score if the player is fouled. In other words, the box score overstates the efficiency of players who are fouled while making shots. They typically have a high True Shooting efficiency, because getting fouls is good, but they are not as efficient as first appears.

A long winded way of saying that Giddey was not efficient last night. Yes, he took only 15 official shots, but he also attempted several more that earned fouls, so overall he scored fewer points than attempts at the basket. His True Shooting Percentage for the game was 46%. He's been on a good shooting streak but yesterday he was off.

Yeah I know how True Shooting is calculated. My point was that Giddey still managed to put up OK points per shot on a very bad shooting night, which is good sign to see in one of our youngest players who isn't even supposed to be a scorer. But definitely he had a bad shooting night, 0-4 from 3 can't ever be argued to be a good shooting game.

More than anyone on the team I see him putting in effort when he has bad shooting games by rebounding (3 offensive boards last night), steals, blocks, assists, and trying to draw fouls when his shot isn't there. Good quality for the kid. A lot of our players when they shoot poorly they lose all aggressiveness and stand around.

[Chi town]

Good experience with a good team keying on him defensive. He can create his own shot. One rough shooting night after a bunch of great doesn’t change that. If it becomes a pattern we can revisit. But I know you cannot wait for it. Probably hoping for it.

Not at all. Why would I hope for Giddey to fail?

You’re right. Giddey can create his own shot he just not very good at it and he doesn’t do it very often. Until his latest surge he wasn’t creating any 3s off the bounce and was passing up way to many that were open. He has a very limited mid ranges game and barely ever shoots unless it’s a downhill shot at the rim or in the paint.

When the shot clock starts ticking down he doesn’t really know what to do. Lastnight he DeMared it several times where he just passed it away after dribbling the clock down and it became a violation or a bad shot/turnover.

I want to see Guddey get more creative and aggressive creating for himself off the bounce. I think he can do it but just hasn’t shown it. Much like his improvement on D and his developing shot.

I think this is a good example of why I think Giddey has potential to be a #2 option and not a #1 on offense. Right now his main strength is getting to the rim. He's an average 3pt shooter (which is an improvement). But he has no mid-range game. He is crafty off the dribble, but doesn't have an arsenal of moves.

The related problem is that the Bulls don't have anybody else, except maybe Coby (who is even worse at creating his shot off the dribble). Also, as Stacy notes, the rest of the team is so stagnant that nobody helps out the driver. Huerter is the most helpful here, but he is just ok. Matas has some potential, but he is often caught standing around.

Coby can get his own shot at all 3 levels. Hes shifty and has an array of moves. It’s why 7 teams called the Bulls at the TDL for him… his contract probably helped too.

Giddey def needs ball and player movement to thrive. Guys standing around doesn’t help him at all and you’re right Huerter is prob the best moving off ball. Zo is great too. Those two out and we looked awful. Interesting to see Pacers not help when Giddey drives. They just stayed with their man at the 3pt line. Nesmith is a physical tough defender. The kind Giddey struggles against much like the Pistons have.

[WindyCityBorn]

Not at all. Why would I hope for Giddey to fail?

You’re right. Giddey can create his own shot he just not very good at it and he doesn’t do it very often. Until his latest surge he wasn’t creating any 3s off the bounce and was passing up way to many that were open. He has a very limited mid ranges game and barely ever shoots unless it’s a downhill shot at the rim or in the paint.

When the shot clock starts ticking down he doesn’t really know what to do. Lastnight he DeMared it several times where he just passed it away after dribbling the clock down and it became a violation or a bad shot/turnover.

I want to see Guddey get more creative and aggressive creating for himself off the bounce. I think he can do it but just hasn’t shown it. Much like his improvement on D and his developing shot.

I think this is a good example of why I think Giddey has potential to be a #2 option and not a #1 on offense. Right now his main strength is getting to the rim. He's an average 3pt shooter (which is an improvement). But he has no mid-range game. He is crafty off the dribble, but doesn't have an arsenal of moves.

The related problem is that the Bulls don't have anybody else, except maybe Coby (who is even worse at creating his shot off the dribble). Also, as Stacy notes, the rest of the team is so stagnant that nobody helps out the driver. Huerter is the most helpful here, but he is just ok. Matas has some potential, but he is often caught standing around.

Coby can get his own shot at all 3 levels. Hes shifty and has an array of moves. It’s why 7 teams called the Bulls at the TDL for him… his contract probably helped too.

Giddey def needs ball and player movement to thrive. Guys standing around doesn’t help him at all and you’re right Huerter is prob the best moving off ball. Zo is great too. Those two out and we looked awful. Interesting to see Pacers not help when Giddey drives. They just stayed with their man at the 3pt line. Nesmith is a physical tough defender. The kind Giddey struggles against much like the Pistons have.

The problem is Coby is useless if he isn’t scoring and he is an inconsistent shooter on mediocre efficiency. Giddey doesn’t need to score 20 to have a strong game.

Coby is turning out to be a really poor man’s Zach LaVine. Worse on every way. I like him, but I think what we see now is it. He’s not getting much better. I would move before we need to pay him $25 to $30 million.

[Chi town]

I think this is a good example of why I think Giddey has potential to be a #2 option and not a #1 on offense. Right now his main strength is getting to the rim. He's an average 3pt shooter (which is an improvement). But he has no mid-range game. He is crafty off the dribble, but doesn't have an arsenal of moves.

The related problem is that the Bulls don't have anybody else, except maybe Coby (who is even worse at creating his shot off the dribble). Also, as Stacy notes, the rest of the team is so stagnant that nobody helps out the driver. Huerter is the most helpful here, but he is just ok. Matas has some potential, but he is often caught standing around.

Coby can get his own shot at all 3 levels. Hes shifty and has an array of moves. It’s why 7 teams called the Bulls at the TDL for him… his contract probably helped too.

Giddey def needs ball and player movement to thrive. Guys standing around doesn’t help him at all and you’re right Huerter is prob the best moving off ball. Zo is great too. Those two out and we looked awful. Interesting to see Pacers not help when Giddey drives. They just stayed with their man at the 3pt line. Nesmith is a physical tough defender. The kind Giddey struggles against much like the Pistons have.

The problem is Coby is useless if he isn’t scoring and he is an inconsistent shooter on mediocre efficiency. Giddey doesn’t need to score 20 to have a strong game.

Coby is turning out to be a really poor man’s Zach LaVine. Worse on every way. I like him, but I think what we see now is it. He’s not getting much better. I would move before we need to pay him $25 to $30 million.

Fully agree on Coby. Hes awful on D and makes so many dumb mistakes on offense. He’s an elite 6th man and a meh starter. I could see him being a really good 3rd option next to an elite 1st option and Giddey.

You have to have a lot of D on the court next to a Coby Giddey lineup.

I do want to see a Giddey Zo Pat Buz Collins lineup. Coby subbing for Zo too. Want to see those players run together.