Ayo out the rest of the season. Shoulder surgery

[sco]

Ayo’s season was pretty disappointing. All in all, a slight regression from last year. At the same time, my expectations were never too high. Solid all-around role-player, who didn’t shoot as well this year (let alone improve). The drag is he finished below league-average. For a team with no Lebron or Luka, the Gabe Vincents and Terrance Manns are irrelevant.

Yeah, I like Ayo a lot just because he plays smart and hard and isn't bad at anything, but IMO he's not really good at anything either and considering his injury and contract status, I now see him as just a guy. Considering we have Ball and Terry and Carter already under contract for next season, I don't see a critical role for him. I'd be very willing to trade him, though I doubt he'd return much. Maybe we could use him to move Patrick's contract or something.

He's a guy who I think, like Coby, suffered from role confusion under Billy. Unfortunately, neither he nor Coby really panned out as a PG; however, they both lost their "natural" aggression after being placed in a PG role. Also, I think Ayo bulked up a little too much this past offseason, which seemed to slow him down enough such that it was noticeable on both offense and defense.

[Red8911]

Ayo’s season was pretty disappointing. All in all, a slight regression from last year. At the same time, my expectations were never too high. Solid all-around role-player, who didn’t shoot as well this year (let alone improve). The drag is he finished below league-average. For a team with no Lebron or Luka, the Gabe Vincents and Terrance Manns are irrelevant.

Agreed definitely a disappointing season for Ayo. I didn’t expect him to be even better this season compared to last year but he should have at least been the same not worse. His shooting went down too.

His ceiling is what he is now a decent/average off the bench role player who’s easily replaceable. It seems like he’s a hard worker, I just don’t think he’s capable of reaching another level in his game.

[League Circles]

Ayo’s season was pretty disappointing. All in all, a slight regression from last year. At the same time, my expectations were never too high. Solid all-around role-player, who didn’t shoot as well this year (let alone improve). The drag is he finished below league-average. For a team with no Lebron or Luka, the Gabe Vincents and Terrance Manns are irrelevant.

Yeah, I like Ayo a lot just because he plays smart and hard and isn't bad at anything, but IMO he's not really good at anything either and considering his injury and contract status, I now see him as just a guy. Considering we have Ball and Terry and Carter already under contract for next season, I don't see a critical role for him. I'd be very willing to trade him, though I doubt he'd return much. Maybe we could use him to move Patrick's contract or something.

He's a guy who I think, like Coby, suffered from role confusion under Billy. Unfortunately, neither he nor Coby really panned out as a PG; however, they both lost their "natural" aggression after being placed in a PG role. Also, I think Ayo bulked up a little too much this past offseason, which seemed to slow him down enough such that it was noticeable on both offense and defense.

I think Coby has improved slowly even though not all his numbers will show it. Ayo IMO has always overachieved offensively, which isn't saying much. I feel like I've never seen him dribble with his left hand, which can't be true, but it feels true.

[Guru]

It’s insane he was brought back to play on this injury (even if much less severe than when it needed this surgery). This FO is absurd.

I would gamble Ayo wanted to try it and then they said lets go a couple games and shut you down if things aren't going well.

[dougthonus]

It’s insane he was brought back to play on this injury (even if much less severe than when it needed this surgery). This FO is absurd.

I would gamble Ayo wanted to try it and then they said lets go a couple games and shut you down if things aren't going well.

The FO shouldn't have allowed it anyway, but I'm sure Ayo wanted to try it.

[WesPeace]

Good luck Ayo with the surgery, seeya back next season

[jnrjr79]

By the way, has there been any specific reporting on what kind of surgery he's getting? Given the reports of instability and the recovery timeline, it sounds to me like maybe a labrum tear, but I don't think they've really said beyond him having had a "stinger" that got worse.

[WindyCityBorn]

This really sucks. For Ayo personally and because now trading him this summer will not be as helpful probably.

I don’t think he was getting traded. It’s Coby on the way out.

[Red8911]

It’s insane he was brought back to play on this injury (even if much less severe than when it needed this surgery). This FO is absurd.

I would gamble Ayo wanted to try it and then they said lets go a couple games and shut you down if things aren't going well.

The FO shouldn't have allowed it anyway, but I'm sure Ayo wanted to try it.

The Bulls trainers/drs/front office know more info than we do and they probably made the right decision. No one is gambling with Ayos health. Not sure why your blaming the Bulls without knowing anything.

It was probably something that Ayo could have played through with pain but eventually needed surgery. So they decided to just do it now instead of waiting for the offseason. This is just my guess as well.

[League Circles]

This really sucks. For Ayo personally and because now trading him this summer will not be as helpful probably.

I don’t think he was getting traded. It’s Coby on the way out.

You're probably right, I was talking about my preference.

[MrSparkle]

I personally want to see a 2027 cap plan (big fish), but frankly, why should we assume anything other than continuity?

Coby has survived so many seasons. I think they’ll re-up him. His numbers aren’t earning him more than $20M in a tight market with tons of marquee FAs.

I don’t want to pay $20M to each of these C-grade players, but AK has directly stated that’s the direction... and he’s not gonna get these guys to accept MLE deals.

[dougthonus]

The Bulls trainers/drs/front office know more info than we do and they probably made the right decision. No one is gambling with Ayos health. Not sure why your blaming the Bulls without knowing anything.

It was probably something that Ayo could have played through with pain but eventually needed surgery. So they decided to just do it now instead of waiting for the offseason. This is just my guess as well.

I didn't say they risked his long term health (though sure seems pretty likely that he could further damage it).

What I said was the FO shouldn't have let him play. He looked like he was running around with a dislocated shoulder in a dead season with nothing on the line and we're better off getting losses. Our broadcast team was screaming to get him out of there for a reason. It was ridiculous.

FWIW, this is the same team that told Luol Deng he was faking a fractured leg and to just play through it. Team trainers have a long history of not looking out for the best medical health of their players across pro sports and are paid to get guys to play not to provide the best medical advice.

[kulaz3000]

The Bulls trainers/drs/front office know more info than we do and they probably made the right decision. No one is gambling with Ayos health. Not sure why your blaming the Bulls without knowing anything.

It was probably something that Ayo could have played through with pain but eventually needed surgery. So they decided to just do it now instead of waiting for the offseason. This is just my guess as well.

I didn't say they risked his long term health (though sure seems pretty likely that he could further damage it).

What I said was the FO shouldn't have let him play. He looked like he was running around with a dislocated shoulder in a dead season with nothing on the line and we're better off getting losses. Our broadcast team was screaming to get him out of there for a reason. It was ridiculous.

FWIW, this is the same team that told Luol Deng he was faking a fractured leg and to just play through it. Team trainers have a long history of not looking out for the best medical health of their players across pro sports and are paid to get guys to play not to provide the best medical advice.

And let's be real, a lot of franchises will allow their players to play through injuries if they can, provided that they won't cause further injuries, or they will weigh up the chances. Sitting down players at the risk of any injury is more of a recent turn with big named players being sat down due to the major financial investment on their health, but I'd say most players have niggling injuries that they want to play through or allowed to play through, that possibly lead to bigger injuries that just aren't talked about or announced.

[pipfan]

Bummer, my current favorite Bull
But, not a big loss this year. I know it's ridiculous to mention, but we needed him to guard Young in the 9/10 Playin game!

See you in Oct Ayo

[2weekswithpay]

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[sco]

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Glad he's taking care of it. As much as I blame the usual suspects in the medical staff, Ayo needs to take some responsibility here for not checking out a chronic issue. I guess it makes me (and some of you) happy that there is an addressible "excuse" for his game dropping off. Just hope he comes back at 100%.

[DuckIII]

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Wow! This guy is tough as nails.

[DuckIII]

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Glad he's taking care of it. As much as I blame the usual suspects in the medical staff, Ayo needs to take some responsibility here for not checking out a chronic issue. I guess it makes me (and some of you) happy that there is an addressible "excuse" for his game dropping off. Just hope he comes back at 100%.

What a load of ****.

[kodo]

On other teams they test the players every few weeks even if nothing seems wrong, I don't think a 2 year old fracture would have gone unnoticed. But Chicago has never been known for our cutting edge sports medicine.

But doesn't sound too serious as far as basketball surgeries go (which is what the org said about Noah).