Zach Collins discussion thread

[sco]

Should the Bulls just sit Vuc the rest of the season? It is obvious to me that Collins is a better player for this team than Vuc. Zach is able to put up comparable numbers offensively without needing plays run for him and is miles better on defense. IMO, Zach is JAG, but a JAG seems to be much better than Vuc. I think Vuc had some value when he was splashing 3's, but when he reverted to the mean, we started really sucking hard. Also, redistributing Vuc's shots seemed to really redistribute them in a positive way for the team.

[Am2626]

Should the Bulls just sit Vuc the rest of the season? It is obvious to me that Collins is a better player for this team than Vuc. Zach is able to put up comparable numbers offensively without needing plays run for him and is miles better on defense. IMO, Zach is JAG, but a JAG seems to be much better than Vuc. I think Vuc had some value when he was splashing 3's, but when he reverted to the mean, we started really sucking hard. Also, redistributing Vuc's shots seemed to really redistribute them in a positive way for the team.

No because Zach Collins isn’t good enough to be the future center of the Bulls. Let Vuc come back and put up empty stats and help the Bulls not win too many games. Draft position and maximizing Vuc’s trade value are two most important things, not winning meaningless games now.

[WindyCityBorn]

Should the Bulls just sit Vuc the rest of the season? It is obvious to me that Collins is a better player for this team than Vuc. Zach is able to put up comparable numbers offensively without needing plays run for him and is miles better on defense. IMO, Zach is JAG, but a JAG seems to be much better than Vuc. I think Vuc had some value when he was splashing 3's, but when he reverted to the mean, we started really sucking hard. Also, redistributing Vuc's shots seemed to really redistribute them in a positive way for the team.

No because Zach Collins isn’t good enough to be the future center of the Bulls. Let Vuc come back and put up empty stats and help the Bulls not win too many games. Draft position and maximizing Vuc’s trade value are two most important things, not winning meaningless games now.

He should be our center next season. Vuc should be gone for sure. He gives Vuc production without the usage. That’s what we need from a center on offense.

[Am2626]

Should the Bulls just sit Vuc the rest of the season? It is obvious to me that Collins is a better player for this team than Vuc. Zach is able to put up comparable numbers offensively without needing plays run for him and is miles better on defense. IMO, Zach is JAG, but a JAG seems to be much better than Vuc. I think Vuc had some value when he was splashing 3's, but when he reverted to the mean, we started really sucking hard. Also, redistributing Vuc's shots seemed to really redistribute them in a positive way for the team.

No because Zach Collins isn’t good enough to be the future center of the Bulls. Let Vuc come back and put up empty stats and help the Bulls not win too many games. Draft position and maximizing Vuc’s trade value are two most important things, not winning meaningless games now.

He should be our center next season. Vuc should be gone for sure. He gives Vuc production without the usage. That’s what we need from a center on offense.

I’m not saying to cut Zach Collins. What I’m saying is that his production this year shouldn’t be the reason for the Bulls to sacrifice draft position in a good draft. The guy the Bulls draft will be a better player than Zach Collins.

[WindyCityBorn]

No because Zach Collins isn’t good enough to be the future center of the Bulls. Let Vuc come back and put up empty stats and help the Bulls not win too many games. Draft position and maximizing Vuc’s trade value are two most important things, not winning meaningless games now.

He should be our center next season. Vuc should be gone for sure. He gives Vuc production without the usage. That’s what we need from a center on offense.

I’m not saying to cut Zach Collins. What I’m saying is that his production this year shouldn’t be the reason for the Bulls to sacrifice draft position in a good draft. The guy the Bulls draft will be a better player than Zach Collins.

You don’t know that player will be better a C. Draft picks are complete busts all the time. And Asa Newell is the only big in our projected draft range that look like high level starter.

And we aren’t sacrificing anything. We are playing guys who are available. You’d be saying the same thing if Vuc was doing this.

[HomoSapien]

This guy is legitimately good. He is finally getting a real shot and is looking like a huge steal. I'm bummed that Smith won't get an opportunity now though but other than that this is exciting.

[WindyCityBorn]

This guy is legitimately good. He is finally getting a real shot and is looking like a huge steal. I'm bummed that Smith won't get an opportunity now though but other than that this is exciting.

And he’s only 27. He can have a good future here if we don’t draft a center with our next two 1st round picks. Has great chemistry with Giddey already.

[Am2626]

He should be our center next season. Vuc should be gone for sure. He gives Vuc production without the usage. That’s what we need from a center on offense.

I’m not saying to cut Zach Collins. What I’m saying is that his production this year shouldn’t be the reason for the Bulls to sacrifice draft position in a good draft. The guy the Bulls draft will be a better player than Zach Collins.

You don’t know that player will be better a C. Draft picks are complete busts all the time. And Asa Newell is the only big in our projected draft range that look like high level starter.

And we aren’t sacrificing anything. We are playing guys who are available. You’d be saying the same thing if Vuc was doing this.

Khaman Maluach from Duke is currently projected to go to the Bulls at 8. For a rebuilding team finding a high level starter from day one isn’t important. I’ll take the long term potential of Maluach over Zach Collins any day.

[sco]

I’m not saying to cut Zach Collins. What I’m saying is that his production this year shouldn’t be the reason for the Bulls to sacrifice draft position in a good draft. The guy the Bulls draft will be a better player than Zach Collins.

You don’t know that player will be better a C. Draft picks are complete busts all the time. And Asa Newell is the only big in our projected draft range that look like high level starter.

And we aren’t sacrificing anything. We are playing guys who are available. You’d be saying the same thing if Vuc was doing this.

Khaman Maluach from Duke is currently projected to go to the Bulls at 8. For a rebuilding team finding a high level starter from day one isn’t important. I’ll take the long term potential of Maluach over Zach Collins any day.

I don't get the Maluach appeal. He looks limited offensively. I am not a big believer in drafting C's out of college, unless it's a guy like JJJ who is actually a PF, but has 3pt range and the quickness to guard out to the 3pt line and protect the rim. That isn't what I see in Maluach, who reminds me of a Clingon type C.

[kodo]

Good Cs are important, but it's not worth the opportunity cost. Most of the good centers in the Maluach mold went mid to low:
- Gobert 27th
- Capela 25th
- Gafford 36th
- Jarrett 25th
- Claxton 31st
- Hartenstein 43rd
- Zubac 32nd

Using our best pick on a traditional rim protector center is like paying $20 for a lottery ticket. The $20 one isn't more likely to hit than the $1 one.

[Ballerkingn23]

I like what i've seen with Collings and see no problem with trading Vuc and having Collins and Smith be our Centers next year. The only cavoite would be if we draft a Center. Still I like Collins more than I like Smith. Or they can play together put Smith at PF and play a big line-up. Either way Collins is a keeper in my book. Bye Bye Vuc...

[drosestruts]

Collins has had good stretches before:

15 ,6, and 4 with a 62% TS% in 14 November 2023 games

18, 8 and 4 with a 62% TS% in March and April of 2023


So this isn't the first time Collins has looked good, like with a lot of NBA players the big thing that separates them is consistency, not talent. Many players can be good for a stretch, but can you be consistently good.

With Collins, I think there's also the factor of Bulls fans having been clamoring for years for a center who just plays hard with lots of effort - and that's really what Collins is doing for the most part (though 4-6 from 3 the other night is impressive).

Mostly I view Collins as serviceable.

He's certainly more plug and play than someone like Vuc.