Ball vs Ayo trade

[sco]

I would prefer what these role players with their fighting spirit could do for one season.
Let us figure out what
Jones (resigned to 10 to 12 more likely)
White
Giddey (resigned to 25 - 30 more likely)
Matas
Collins

backed up by

Ayo
Huerter
Smith

and from time to time vets

Ball
Vucevic

can do

by summer of 2026 we might have a .50 team missing just one star player (with upcoming cap space)
Free agents stars might be open to join such a team as the missing piece?

If that does not work many of our players would be off our books anyway and we could resign Hurter, Collins etc. to smaler more reasonable money (though we might have have to invest some money in resigning Coby White)?

At least our team acts like a team currently and that alone is fun to watch, even if there might not be enough talent for conference finals.

Yeah, the problem is that if Williams and Vuc are here, they'll be in the rotation, and we'll be sub .500 for that alone.

[League Circles]

Maybe my concern about losing one of them for nothing later on is outweighed by the benefit in being able to see them both for next year to get more info to make the decision on, considering neither are probably worth much this summer. That said, if we get lucky and get VJ in the draft, I'd choose which guy I like more and trade the other for the best center prospect available.

if Coby keeps up this streak, he may well have some good value this summer.

The thing about Coby is that if you're considering keeping him, then it does limit your flexibility, since all your moves have to be made in a way that preserves 2026 cap space sufficient to sign him. Maybe that's worth it, but it's a bit of a constraint if some other opportunities come along.

Ayo - you probably just take your chances that his value is within the 140% extension parameters.

I'm pretty high on Coby relative to most people. I'm not interested in keeping Giddey if we just dump Coby for an unknown even something like a nice pick. I simply don't think Giddey is good enough to keep while also still essentially trying to rebuild from scratch. If we keep Giddey, which I'm fine with, I basically want to try to win. Now that doesn't mean I'd start trading young guys or our own picks for older win-now vets or anything, but to me, Giddey is too good as a floor raiser to keep for the sole purpose of locking in a projected cornerstone while still treating the rest of the roster as irrelevant temporary placeholders while we wait for some vague fictitious distant future star.

Keeping Giddey makes plenty of sense if we like the talent and complementary skills of him, Coby and Matas as a plausible 3/5ths of a long term high quality starting unit. Coby isn't great but he's pretty damn good in number of ways, and his skillset fits quite nicely with those of Giddey and Matas. Obviously we're guessing on all 3 and the other two guys to be determined in this scenario, and optimistically so, but I think that's what's required to have a chance at it working.

[eierluke]

I would prefer what these role players with their fighting spirit could do for one season.
Let us figure out what
Jones (resigned to 10 to 12 more likely)
White
Giddey (resigned to 25 - 30 more likely)
Matas
Collins

backed up by

Ayo
Huerter
Smith

and from time to time vets

Ball
Vucevic

can do

by summer of 2026 we might have a .50 team missing just one star player (with upcoming cap space)
Free agents stars might be open to join such a team as the missing piece?

If that does not work many of our players would be off our books anyway and we could resign Hurter, Collins etc. to smaler more reasonable money (though we might have have to invest some money in resigning Coby White)?

At least our team acts like a team currently and that alone is fun to watch, even if there might not be enough talent for conference finals.

Yeah, the problem is that if Williams and Vuc are here, they'll be in the rotation, and we'll be sub .500 for that alone.

As for PWill I do have a drastic plan:
he has 72 mio left on his contract and is currently totally useless.
So let us invest 2 mio in personal coaches
Seperate him from team
Hire a mental personal coach
Hire a tactical personal coach
Hire an athletic personal coach
Hire a technical personal coach
Hire a nutritian coach
Hire a coach for rebounding and beeing nasty (Dennis Rodman)
Empty his braim and make him forget everything he knows about basketball. Fill in some some usefull basketball knowledge, but not too much, so that he does not hesitate between too many options on court
And voila in about one year we might have a usefull PF backup

[sco]

I would prefer what these role players with their fighting spirit could do for one season.
Let us figure out what
Jones (resigned to 10 to 12 more likely)
White
Giddey (resigned to 25 - 30 more likely)
Matas
Collins

backed up by

Ayo
Huerter
Smith

and from time to time vets

Ball
Vucevic

can do

by summer of 2026 we might have a .50 team missing just one star player (with upcoming cap space)
Free agents stars might be open to join such a team as the missing piece?

If that does not work many of our players would be off our books anyway and we could resign Hurter, Collins etc. to smaler more reasonable money (though we might have have to invest some money in resigning Coby White)?

At least our team acts like a team currently and that alone is fun to watch, even if there might not be enough talent for conference finals.

Yeah, the problem is that if Williams and Vuc are here, they'll be in the rotation, and we'll be sub .500 for that alone.

As for PWill I do have a drastic plan:
he has 72 mio left on his contract and is currently totally useless.
So let us invest 2 mio in personal coaches
Seperate him from team
Hire a mental personal coach
Hire a tactical personal coach
Hire an athletic personal coach
Hire a technical personal coach
Hire a nutritian coach
Hire a coach for rebounding and beeing nasty (Dennis Rodman)
Empty his braim and make him forget everything he knows about basketball. Fill in some some usefull basketball knowledge, but not too much, so that he does not hesitate between too many options on court
And voila in about one year we might have a usefull PF backup

Sure that could work. Honestly, I'd just have him do Johnny-dribbles-a-lot this summer and work on his weight/conditioning. I've seen such good things from Coby after doing it, I think a good handle would really help his confidence.

[jnrjr79]

Maybe my concern about losing one of them for nothing later on is outweighed by the benefit in being able to see them both for next year to get more info to make the decision on, considering neither are probably worth much this summer. That said, if we get lucky and get VJ in the draft, I'd choose which guy I like more and trade the other for the best center prospect available.

if Coby keeps up this streak, he may well have some good value this summer.

The thing about Coby is that if you're considering keeping him, then it does limit your flexibility, since all your moves have to be made in a way that preserves 2026 cap space sufficient to sign him. Maybe that's worth it, but it's a bit of a constraint if some other opportunities come along.

Ayo - you probably just take your chances that his value is within the 140% extension parameters.

I'm pretty high on Coby relative to most people. I'm not interested in keeping Giddey if we just dump Coby for an unknown even something like a nice pick. I simply don't think Giddey is good enough to keep while also still essentially trying to rebuild from scratch. If we keep Giddey, which I'm fine with, I basically want to try to win. Now that doesn't mean I'd start trading young guys or our own picks for older win-now vets or anything, but to me, Giddey is too good as a floor raiser to keep for the sole purpose of locking in a projected cornerstone while still treating the rest of the roster as irrelevant temporary placeholders while we wait for some vague fictitious distant future star.

Keeping Giddey makes plenty of sense if we like the talent and complementary skills of him, Coby and Matas as a plausible 3/5ths of a long term high quality starting unit. Coby isn't great but he's pretty damn good in number of ways, and his skillset fits quite nicely with those of Giddey and Matas. Obviously we're guessing on all 3 and the other two guys to be determined in this scenario, and optimistically so, but I think that's what's required to have a chance at it working.

Yeah, I kind of prefer a more tank-y draft based rebuild at this point, but I'm not going to crazy about it because I don't think that's probably what AK will do, so I tend to think more about stuff that might be realistic but also be a fun path forward.

I could see AK want to do something like re-sign Jones with some of the MLE, trade draft capital + expirings for some bigger-named player (e.g. Sabonis), re-sign Giddey, and build around a Giddey/Matas/Sabonis kind of thing. I'd need to run the numbers, but if you do that, you're then jeopardizing having the 2026 cap space necessary to re-sign Coby. So, if AK wants to keep Coby, it would seem he needs to sort of keep his powder dry this offseason in terms of acquisitions. I just wonder whether AK has the patience of that. If he wants to make bigger moves now, it would seem to reduce the chance that Coby stays.

[Dan Z]

if Coby keeps up this streak, he may well have some good value this summer.

The thing about Coby is that if you're considering keeping him, then it does limit your flexibility, since all your moves have to be made in a way that preserves 2026 cap space sufficient to sign him. Maybe that's worth it, but it's a bit of a constraint if some other opportunities come along.

Ayo - you probably just take your chances that his value is within the 140% extension parameters.

I'm pretty high on Coby relative to most people. I'm not interested in keeping Giddey if we just dump Coby for an unknown even something like a nice pick. I simply don't think Giddey is good enough to keep while also still essentially trying to rebuild from scratch. If we keep Giddey, which I'm fine with, I basically want to try to win. Now that doesn't mean I'd start trading young guys or our own picks for older win-now vets or anything, but to me, Giddey is too good as a floor raiser to keep for the sole purpose of locking in a projected cornerstone while still treating the rest of the roster as irrelevant temporary placeholders while we wait for some vague fictitious distant future star.

Keeping Giddey makes plenty of sense if we like the talent and complementary skills of him, Coby and Matas as a plausible 3/5ths of a long term high quality starting unit. Coby isn't great but he's pretty damn good in number of ways, and his skillset fits quite nicely with those of Giddey and Matas. Obviously we're guessing on all 3 and the other two guys to be determined in this scenario, and optimistically so, but I think that's what's required to have a chance at it working.

Yeah, I kind of prefer a more tank-y draft based rebuild at this point, but I'm not going to crazy about it because I don't think that's probably what AK will do, so I tend to think more about stuff that might be realistic but also be a fun path forward.

I could see AK want to do something like re-sign Jones with some of the MLE, trade draft capital + expirings for some bigger-named player (e.g. Sabonis), re-sign Giddey, and build around a Giddey/Matas/Sabonis kind of thing. I'd need to run the numbers, but if you do that, you're then jeopardizing having the 2026 cap space necessary to re-sign Coby. So, if AK wants to keep Coby, it would seem he needs to sort of keep his powder dry this offseason in terms of acquisitions. I just wonder whether AK has the patience of that. If he wants to make bigger moves now, it would seem to reduce the chance that Coby stays.

It'd be funny if Vucevic was in a trade for Sabonis. The Kings would have DDR, Zach and Vuc! haha.

[dougthonus]

My concern is that we're probably building a team with Coby at the 1 and Giddey at the 3, which leaves a glaring need for an athletic defender at the 2.

My concern is we're doing that too, and we're just kind of screwed if we are regardless of who we have next to them. Certainly Ball can't be relied on to stay healthy and Ayo just isn't good enough which is why I don't mind moving on from either, but I generally holistically disagree with what we're trying to do, so it's hard for me to put myself in the mindset of how to maximize it, because I'd rather just get more assets back to try to do something better.

[WindyCityBorn]

My concern is that we're probably building a team with Coby at the 1 and Giddey at the 3, which leaves a glaring need for an athletic defender at the 2.

My concern is we're doing that too, and we're just kind of screwed if we are regardless of who we have next to them. Certainly Ball can't be relied on to stay healthy and Ayo just isn't good enough which is why I don't mind moving on from either, but I generally holistically disagree with what we're trying to do, so it's hard for me to put myself in the mindset of how to maximize it, because I'd rather just get more assets back to try to do something better.

I’m sold on Giddey.

Not sold on Coby. Streaky scorer that really only excels at scoring. And it’s really bad defense pairing. Giddey is a better defender than Coby.

[WindyCityBorn]

I'm pretty high on Coby relative to most people. I'm not interested in keeping Giddey if we just dump Coby for an unknown even something like a nice pick. I simply don't think Giddey is good enough to keep while also still essentially trying to rebuild from scratch. If we keep Giddey, which I'm fine with, I basically want to try to win. Now that doesn't mean I'd start trading young guys or our own picks for older win-now vets or anything, but to me, Giddey is too good as a floor raiser to keep for the sole purpose of locking in a projected cornerstone while still treating the rest of the roster as irrelevant temporary placeholders while we wait for some vague fictitious distant future star.

Keeping Giddey makes plenty of sense if we like the talent and complementary skills of him, Coby and Matas as a plausible 3/5ths of a long term high quality starting unit. Coby isn't great but he's pretty damn good in number of ways, and his skillset fits quite nicely with those of Giddey and Matas. Obviously we're guessing on all 3 and the other two guys to be determined in this scenario, and optimistically so, but I think that's what's required to have a chance at it working.

Yeah, I kind of prefer a more tank-y draft based rebuild at this point, but I'm not going to crazy about it because I don't think that's probably what AK will do, so I tend to think more about stuff that might be realistic but also be a fun path forward.

I could see AK want to do something like re-sign Jones with some of the MLE, trade draft capital + expirings for some bigger-named player (e.g. Sabonis), re-sign Giddey, and build around a Giddey/Matas/Sabonis kind of thing. I'd need to run the numbers, but if you do that, you're then jeopardizing having the 2026 cap space necessary to re-sign Coby. So, if AK wants to keep Coby, it would seem he needs to sort of keep his powder dry this offseason in terms of acquisitions. I just wonder whether AK has the patience of that. If he wants to make bigger moves now, it would seem to reduce the chance that Coby stays.

It'd be funny if Vucevic was in a trade for Sabonis. The Kings would have DDR, Zach and Vuc! haha.

As long as he doesn’t come here. Not more weak defensive centers.

[WindyCityBorn]

Ayo and Ball need to go.