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Re: Bears 11.0: Free Agency, College Pro days, Draft & beyond 

Post#1981 » by fleet » Sat May 17, 2025 5:22 pm

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NesimLE wrote:You can make a correct read that requires a tough throw, a tight window, or even 'throwing a guy open' (!) and I think that's what we wanted to see evidence of. It's entirely possible that it's just not his style/game, but it'd be nice to have a QB that puts the defense on the back foot with his timing, leading receivers, etc...and we've literally never had that in Chicago. And it's not likely that a QB can develop that when his coach doesn't want him to make mistakes on one hand, and the OC doesn't drill timing/drop depth on the other hand. The best our coaches have been able to do in my memory, is occasionally scheme guys open, before the rest of the league figures them out, and performance declines 'til they get fired and the QB(s) are gone.

There were just some bad overthrows, and it never felt like it improved throughout the season. Early we hoped it was just familiarity, but as the season progressed and that aspect never came, it coincided with his no INT streak, which led to a bit of the narrative that he was being overly cautious, perhaps unfairly so. Really hoping that the things we're hearing/seeing with Ben's attention to detail and accountability that things will start to come together. We've always needed a coach that can help the QB know what the "open" read will look like, and to then trust that read, and the pocket around him. I'm nowhere near informed enough to know how coachable some of that is (as again, we Bears fans only see other teams do it to us lol) but that's the dream innit?

Caleb has 1 issue that we all can agree on.

Deep ball accuracy.

He made tight window throws all season. Minnesota he had two phenomenal tight window throws that both should have been INTs, the Detroit game, most of his second half performances consisted of tight window throws. This is often the time when they started to open the playbook up and take risk.

People complain about how the offensive line looked and then expect Caleb to have enough time to allow deep field plays to develop.

You wonder why Caleb had a ton of screen and 5 yard passes? The offensive line could rarely hold up for anything more than that to develop. The coaches were fully aware of that and play called as if they knew this as well.

2 issues we can all agree on...holds the ball too long.

The way this all unfolded, where the Bears ended up with this top pick in a Caleb draft at the same instant that they were finally jettisoning Justin Fields, and they weren’t completely turned off by the idea of drafting another such vintage quarterback, quite remarkable. And also, quite cruel by God.

In all seriousness, It’s fairly conceivable that Caleb has the ability to turn all this around. Yet as a Bears fan, the drafting of Loveland and Burden 1,2 actually is less confidence boosting than if they didn’t. If they didn’t draft Loveland and Burden, that could mean they didn’t feel the need to overcompensate to make it ridiculously easier for Caleb to succeed rather than take a good opportunity fill another big need or two. I’ve heard the Bears are widely regarded to have to top receiving corps in the NFL now. We entered into embarrassment of riches territory for a dubious reason perhaps.
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Re: Bears [emoji2389][emoji2389].0: Free Agency, College Pro days, Draft & beyond 

Post#1982 » by Bulls69 » Sat May 17, 2025 9:46 pm

fleet wrote:As suspected, Poles fell in love with the player, and puts the blinders on, due diligence goes out the window



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I’m glad Poles stuck to his guns Williams was the best prospect coming out of college it would have been a career wrecker for Poles if he would have drafted Jayden over Williams and Jayden most likely would have sucked under Flus.


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Re: Bears [emoji2389][emoji2389].0: Free Agency, College Pro days, Draft & beyond 

Post#1983 » by Bulls69 » Sat May 17, 2025 9:48 pm

nomorezorro wrote:no gm on earth was taking daniels no. 1 overall in that draft. wanting the bears to do performative research on a guy they were never drafting is classic meathead stuff

Bingo this would have been then ending of Poles career Williams would probably have excel in the Commanders system.


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Re: Bears [emoji2389][emoji2389].0: Free Agency, College Pro days, Draft & beyond 

Post#1984 » by fleet » Sat May 17, 2025 11:49 pm

Bulls69 wrote:
fleet wrote:As suspected, Poles fell in love with the player, and puts the blinders on, due diligence goes out the window



I’m glad Poles stuck to his guns Williams was the best prospect coming out of college it would have been a career wrecker for Poles if he would have drafted Jayden over Williams and Jayden most likely would have sucked under Flus.


All I know for a virtual fact is that Daniels would not have been sacked 68 times. And being bad with this metric is worse than turnovers according to Ben Johnson. Which I believe he is correct. Theres no such thing as a career wrecker if you do your homework and make the right choice. Keyword here…homework. It’s not even about which quarterback was chosen. It’s about not doing your job during the most important Bears moment in decades.
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Re: Bears 11.0: Free Agency, College Pro days, Draft & beyond 

Post#1985 » by MAQ » Sun May 18, 2025 12:51 am

Yeah, there is no excuse in my eyes for not turning over every stone to find the right guy. Consensus or not, do your research on all options.
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Post#1986 » by NesimLE » Sun May 18, 2025 12:54 am

fleet wrote:
Bulls69 wrote:
fleet wrote:As suspected, Poles fell in love with the player, and puts the blinders on, due diligence goes out the window



I’m glad Poles stuck to his guns Williams was the best prospect coming out of college it would have been a career wrecker for Poles if he would have drafted Jayden over Williams and Jayden most likely would have sucked under Flus.


All I know for a virtual fact is that Daniels would not have been sacked 68 times. And being bad with this metric is worse than turnovers according to Ben Johnson. Which I believe he is correct. Theres no such thing as a career wrecker if you do your homework and make the right choice. Keyword here…homework. It’s not even about which quarterback was chosen. It’s about not doing your job during the most important Bears moment in decades.

What do you think they spent that time doing instead? Probably arguing over whether to go LT, Edge, WR, or Bowers with 9? While I'm sure they had fun doing it, at least some bandwidth should've been spent on evaluating other QBs. It'd be nice to know more about JJ since he's in our division for example lol. Of course we know that the safest choice was for Poles to just go with Caleb, and as I've said, I don't have much of a problem with it if they at least did their due diligence on HIM. But there are so many examples of the Bears following a bad process, and while we've gotten lucky a few times, can't count on that to continue forever. And even to this point, it hasn't even resulted in a .500 season.

We're still in the EASY part of a rebuild...just making decently high draft picks, signing free agents, and resigning our best guys...we're running out of runway there, and things will get tough if we want to be a perennial playoff team, let alone an SB contender or champion. I think Poles has done a solid enough job in a vacuum of making some decent picks (but even then, there are some questionable ones that we can only let slide BECAUSE we're so bereft of talent, that adding it anywhere can be justified) but we need to see that come to fruition on the field...hopefully some of the new blood will help clean things up for us.

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