11 days out from the 2025 NBA draft...Who is your guy?

[MGB8]

Addendum thought on CMB - while I don’t love the fit for the Bulls (think will struggle to guard faster players on perimeter and force Giddey or Matas too - so bad fit; think his offense won’t translate very well to NBA where will lack size advantage)….

If the a bulls were still coached by Thibs… he would be a must grab player. If only as a guy that Thibs would want to leave out there for 40 minutes a game because he goes to the right place and D and is physical and aggressive… would let let Taj or Luol or Jimmy take a breather!

[Dresden]

Really different names than usual, I like it!

Older players being undervalued is nothing new.

Kalkbrenner was dominant this year.


Offense:

Kalkbrenner shot 73% in the pick and roll this year. He sets good hard screens and rolls hard to the rim, has great hands, and is ag reat lob catcher and finisher.

For three straight years his 2P FG% was over 70%

And it's not on low volume, he attempts 12 shots a game. He dropped 49 points in a game this season.

He led the NCAA in dunks. He gets to the rim and he finishes.

98th percentine in trasition effecieny

90th percentile in post-ups and in cuts

86th percentile in putbacks

34% 3P% this year



Defense:

Best paint protector in the entire draft. Won the NCAA Naismith defensive player of the year award. 4 time Bog East DPOY

2.7BPG with a 7.3% Block Rate

Creighton ranked in the 96th percentile as a team in opponent field goal % at the rim and that's due to Kalkbrenner

Commits only 2.2 fouls per 100 possesions. He locks down the paint and does so without fouling


A year after Edey and Clingan go top 10 I'm sort of confused why Kalkbrenner is mocked so low. The resume is great.



He's the best rim protector in the draft and the most effecient offensive player in the draft

You make great points. I especially dig the 9.4 standing reach.

I haven't followed the draft real closely, but from what you said about him above, and what I've watched on highlight tapes, I wonder why he's mocked near the end of the first round, and not higher? Edey and Clingan both fared pretty well, and Chet Holmgren is doing good too. 15 years ago I would have worried about his slight frame, but that doesn't seem to be as much of an issue any more, since fewer and fewer teams have the aircraft carrier types at center any longer.

He seems to have a lot of skill, was very productive, and definitely would fill a need on the Bulls for a rim protector. Maybe they can trade down and get him?

[sco]

Older players being undervalued is nothing new.

Kalkbrenner was dominant this year.


Offense:

Kalkbrenner shot 73% in the pick and roll this year. He sets good hard screens and rolls hard to the rim, has great hands, and is ag reat lob catcher and finisher.

For three straight years his 2P FG% was over 70%

And it's not on low volume, he attempts 12 shots a game. He dropped 49 points in a game this season.

He led the NCAA in dunks. He gets to the rim and he finishes.

98th percentine in trasition effecieny

90th percentile in post-ups and in cuts

86th percentile in putbacks

34% 3P% this year



Defense:

Best paint protector in the entire draft. Won the NCAA Naismith defensive player of the year award. 4 time Bog East DPOY

2.7BPG with a 7.3% Block Rate

Creighton ranked in the 96th percentile as a team in opponent field goal % at the rim and that's due to Kalkbrenner

Commits only 2.2 fouls per 100 possesions. He locks down the paint and does so without fouling


A year after Edey and Clingan go top 10 I'm sort of confused why Kalkbrenner is mocked so low. The resume is great.



He's the best rim protector in the draft and the most effecient offensive player in the draft

You make great points. I especially dig the 9.4 standing reach.

I haven't followed the draft real closely, but from what you said about him above, and what I've watched on highlight tapes, I wonder why he's mocked near the end of the first round, and not higher? Edey and Clingan both fared pretty well, and Chet Holmgren is doing good too. 15 years ago I would have worried about his slight frame, but that doesn't seem to be as much of an issue any more, since fewer and fewer teams have the aircraft carrier types at center any longer.

He seems to have a lot of skill, was very productive, and definitely would fill a need on the Bulls for a rim protector. Maybe they can trade down and get him?

I love the idea of trading to get a late 1st and pick up a C prospect. There are a couple who will be available in the mid-20's worth giving a shot too.

[CobysHairpick]

There's no particular prospect at 12 I absolutely want unless Bailey falls. His upside is simply too high to pass on for a Bulls team that needs it.

That being said, I am open to basically everyone despite my personal concerns on some prospects. The key is player development once they get drafted anyways. I'm not big on Maluach but will pray he develops a 3pt shot if he's a Bull. Same with CMB. I'll bank on Jakucionis thriving as a secondary or even third ball handler, etc.

In other words, beggars can't be choosers is how I view the prospects at 12. Time for AK and Billy to earn their paycheck and develop these young players into legit competitive players.

[sco]

There's no particular prospect at 12 I absolutely want unless Bailey falls. His upside is simply too high to pass on for a Bulls team that needs it.

That being said, I am open to basically everyone despite my personal concerns on some prospects. The key is player development once they get drafted anyways. I'm not big on Maluach but will pray he develops a 3pt shot if he's a Bull. Same with CMB. I'll bank on Jakucionis thriving as a secondary or even third ball handler, etc.

In other words, beggars can't be choosers is how I view the prospects at 12. Time for AK and Billy to earn their paycheck and develop these young players into legit competitive players.

I'm on team "trade down for 2 picks". I seem to be swayed daily by videos on one guy or another and firmly believe 2 of those guys will be available if we get 2 picks between 15 and 25.

[CobysHairpick]

There's no particular prospect at 12 I absolutely want unless Bailey falls. His upside is simply too high to pass on for a Bulls team that needs it.

That being said, I am open to basically everyone despite my personal concerns on some prospects. The key is player development once they get drafted anyways. I'm not big on Maluach but will pray he develops a 3pt shot if he's a Bull. Same with CMB. I'll bank on Jakucionis thriving as a secondary or even third ball handler, etc.

In other words, beggars can't be choosers is how I view the prospects at 12. Time for AK and Billy to earn their paycheck and develop these young players into legit competitive players.

I'm on team "trade down for 2 picks". I seem to be swayed daily by videos on one guy or another and firmly believe 2 of those guys will be available if we get 2 picks between 15 and 25.

I think AK is considering a trade down too based on the prospects they've brought in for workouts (Danny Wolf, Drake Powell, etc). I'm with you on being swayed since all these prospects do have at least one intriguing trait that should positively impact the Bulls. And as a stout proponent of player development, I have to remind myself that none of these players are finished products. Hell, even PWill became a good 3pt shooter after not being one in college. Coach these boys up Billy!

[TheJordanRule]

The board loves Noa. I love him too!

[TheHrvReport]

You make great points. I especially dig the 9.4 standing reach.

I haven't followed the draft real closely, but from what you said about him above, and what I've watched on highlight tapes, I wonder why he's mocked near the end of the first round, and not higher? Edey and Clingan both fared pretty well, and Chet Holmgren is doing good too. 15 years ago I would have worried about his slight frame, but that doesn't seem to be as much of an issue any more, since fewer and fewer teams have the aircraft carrier types at center any longer.

He seems to have a lot of skill, was very productive, and definitely would fill a need on the Bulls for a rim protector. Maybe they can trade down and get him?

I love the idea of trading to get a late 1st and pick up a C prospect. There are a couple who will be available in the mid-20's worth giving a shot too.

Would you do Thunder's #15 and #24 for #12? Who would you pick in that scenario?

[TheJordanRule]

I haven't followed the draft real closely, but from what you said about him above, and what I've watched on highlight tapes, I wonder why he's mocked near the end of the first round, and not higher? Edey and Clingan both fared pretty well, and Chet Holmgren is doing good too. 15 years ago I would have worried about his slight frame, but that doesn't seem to be as much of an issue any more, since fewer and fewer teams have the aircraft carrier types at center any longer.

He seems to have a lot of skill, was very productive, and definitely would fill a need on the Bulls for a rim protector. Maybe they can trade down and get him?

I love the idea of trading to get a late 1st and pick up a C prospect. There are a couple who will be available in the mid-20's worth giving a shot too.

Would you do Thunder's #15 and #24 for #12? Who would you pick in that scenario?

Depends. Does trading down mean missing out on Maluach or KJ? Cuz there's no way that move would be worth it.

[TheHrvReport]

I love the idea of trading to get a late 1st and pick up a C prospect. There are a couple who will be available in the mid-20's worth giving a shot too.

Would you do Thunder's #15 and #24 for #12? Who would you pick in that scenario?

Depends. Does trading down mean missing out on Maluach or KJ? Cuz there's no way that move would be worth it.

100% they'd be gone by then. The idea is a lot more interesting if the draft goes expectedly where all the top prospects are pretty much off the board at #12. That is pretty rare I think, so someone should slide on draft night and Bulls should definitely pick that player if they're high on him.
If we did do that deal, id look to grab a Coward/Clifford/Essengue at #15 and Fleming/Raynaud/Riley at #24.

[sco]

Would you do Thunder's #15 and #24 for #12? Who would you pick in that scenario?

Depends. Does trading down mean missing out on Maluach or KJ? Cuz there's no way that move would be worth it.

100% they'd be gone by then. The idea is a lot more interesting if the draft goes expectedly where all the top prospects are pretty much off the board at #12. That is pretty rare I think, so someone should slide on draft night and Bulls should definitely pick that player if they're high on him.
If we did do that deal, id look to grab a Coward/Clifford/Essengue at #15 and Fleming/Raynaud/Riley at #24.

I like those ideas.

[VolumePoster]

OK, I'm calling my shot now.

Noa is the player I want, but I think he will go much higher than anyone expects. Maybe six or seven.

We are still going to draft an extremely athletic, long, raw player at number 12. We're going to pick Beringer. Most athletic big man in the draft, only 18 years old, 7 foot in shoes, with a 7-5 wingspan. We will get panned for the pick, but he'll play well in spot minutes, similar to Matas this year. He'll end up a very good player for us, too, who fits what we need offensively and defensively.

The player I really want is Bailey. I think he's a multiple All-Star.

[rosenthall]

For everyone that wants CMB…

How many non 3pt shooters do you see getting mins in the playoffs?

1. You draft CMB knowing that shooting is his big swing skill, and if it does not come around it will severely limit his upside as a player. It is what it is.
2. Caruso, Draymond, Amen Thompson and Julius Randle are all examples of non-centers who aren't great shooters who got lots of playing time in the playoffs. There are probably more, but you get the idea.

I think if CMB had a good jumper he would easily be top 5 in this draft class, and probably neck-and-neck with Dylan Harper for #2 prospect in the draft. That's the upside of taking him.

Mind you, if everything breaks just right, he could be everything that people hoped Pat would be - and he may well have the work ethic and drive, etc., to get there (hard thing to have good info on and project) - but I see the floor as a a minimum salary worth bench defensive forward.

1. I don't think he's the same type of player as Pat is, even though they're both defensive role players. Pat, at least in theory, is in the OG Anunoby mold of oversized wings that can defend 1-4 but specialize on the perimeter. CMB is more of a 3-4-5 and in the Thad Young / Taj Gibson mold of PF's who can anchor a frontcourt due to their defensive range.

2. I would be very surprised if he's not at least as good as Pat is right now, including his years before this one. Pat was always a nobody who had a hard time figuring out how to make things click. He's processed the game poorly at every level he's ever played on. CMB is the exact opposite -- he plays with an instinctive flow that is completely beyond the capabilities of someone like Pat. CMB's positioning, feel, reflexes and anticipation are elite. Basically the complete opposite of Pat, even though they both slot in as defensive role players in the NBA.

3. I think CMB is a safe bet to at least be a 20+ MPG defensive glue guy with good impact stats. One of my big reasons for wanting him is that his combination of floor and ceiling is the most attractive of the guys projected to be available at our pick.

[kodo]

CMB has some similarities with another PF with low 3P shooting drafted in the 8-12 range recently:

• Listed at 6’9 with a 230-pound frame and a 7’0 wingspan, ___ has good dimensions for a power forward to go along with solid athleticism and a terrific motor.

• Doing a little bit of everything offensively for a guard-oriented team with several well-established scorers, ____ spent time looking for angles inside and crashing the glass as a small-ball center, running the wings like a wing, and even pushing the ball himself in transition.

• Guarding multiple positions throughout the season and regularly sliding up to the center spot out of necessity late in the year, ______ displayed a promising blend of versatility and intensity on the defensive end at ____. He is not overly long to be an imposing rim protector or quick to stay in front of small guards, but has excellent instincts, mixes it up pursuing loose balls, and shows a lot of tenacity making multiple efforts.

• Finishing opportunistically inside, ____ averaged 1.42 points per shot around the rim in the half court [92nd percentile]. Rebounding the ball very effectively for his size, cutting with great timing from the perimeter, and finishing with good body control when he couldn’t play above the rim, he did a nice job capitalizing on his opportunities around the basket all season.

• An engaged, energetic defender who showed some ability to switch on the perimeter, protect the rim, hold his ground in the post, and make crisp rotations to closeout shooters...

• Despite giving up quickness and size on some crossmatches, he allowed just 0.63 points per isolation possession [69th percentile] and 0.58 points per post up possession [89th percentile] bringing steady intensity and consistently working to get back in plays when he was beat.

Spoiler:

Jeremy Sochan

[Chi town]

OK, I'm calling my shot now.

Noa is the player I want, but I think he will go much higher than anyone expects. Maybe six or seven.

We are still going to draft an extremely athletic, long, raw player at number 12. We're going to pick Beringer. Most athletic big man in the draft, only 18 years old, 7 foot in shoes, with a 7-5 wingspan. We will get panned for the pick, but he'll play well in spot minutes, similar to Matas this year. He'll end up a very good player for us, too, who fits what we need offensively and defensively.

The player I really want is Bailey. I think he's a multiple All-Star.

I’ve been the Beringer proponent from the jump.

Just don’t think AK will ever draft a big like him. He wants that’s hub big with skills like Kalkbrenner. Would love to see him change that and see how having a lob threat would open the floor even more for Giddey’s passing.

[Hangtime84]

I got back forth with a lot people I like. I feel like bulls needs are a lot But the two high motor guys I like are Asa Newell and Carter Bryant.

[Chi town]

I like CMB because he’s tough and a winning player.

- Don’t like big fit with Giddey due to spacing

- Don’t like that he’s not a lob threat which would help create space

- Don’t like that he provides no rim protection although he will body up drivers and keep them from the rim

- Also don’t buy his offense fully transferring as players and much bigger and stronger in the league and defenses much more advanced.

He is a high IQ player that I can see developing and figuring it out. Think he’d learn how to play higher pace and be good in PNR. I’d be fine with him if all my picks are off the board. Would prefer and trade down if we were to take him.

[Senor Chang]

Okay gun to my head my top choices for realistic picks are in order

Ace (if he’s okay being drafted by us)
Essengue
Coward
KJ
Maluach (if the front office is confident in his jumper)

If we can trade down id like Fleming, Powell or Wolf


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[drosestruts]

If I'm the clock right now - I'm taking Nique Clifford.

Great rebounder

High IQ jack of all trades

Has made tremendous strides and improvements over his college career. To me this is a sign of a hard worker. People often associate a high floor with a lower cieling, I don't see it that way. I see a guy who shows good positive growth every year for the past four years - why should we expect for that to stop now?

6'6" with a 6'8" wingspan

19, 9 and 4 in college and shot 38% on 5 three's a game. Shot 5 FTA a game, love his ability to get to the line.

Watch on YouTube

[TheJordanRule]

I go back and forth every day after watching each new clip. Now I find myself starting to get into Beringer. He's the new Maluach, as in the type of criminally underrated bigman that's sneakily grown on me throughout this process. This comes across as a deeper draft than anything we have had in AGES! Grab an extra 1st if you can AK!