Bears thread 13

[Chi town]

Our next game is on Monday night v. WAS after the bye. Hopefully we'll have Gordon, TJ and Darnell and Loveland back by then. WAS most likely will have Daniels back.

I want the Daniels Williams match up!!!

[Chi town]

Good better best.

Never let it rest.

Until your good is better.

And your better is best.

Bear Down!

[dougthonus]

At the time I was anti how he handled himself leading up to the draft. Had he crushed his pro day and looked all world especially considering his season was over and all he had to do was workout like a madman and show front offices that he’d been crushing it leading up the draft. I thought it was a bad look - what was he doing that whole time? Plenty of teams passed on him. It wasn’t just us and as far as players with red flags I trust that GMs have access to worlds more info than us the public do.

From an outside distraction perspective, the legal and PR stuff he was going through was probably among the most that any prospect has ever had to deal with. From a personal emotional well being standpoint, the very recent death of a friend that he was indirectly involved with likely also took a pretty significant toll.

If he were crushing it prior to the draft, he wouldn't have been there at our pick. The reasons he was not crushing it seemed highly likely to be temporary in nature. Like I said, to me, a very rare but obvious human psychology arbitrage opportunity. To me it felt obvious why people got so negative (focusing on results of what happened) and also obvious why it wouldn't have a big impact in the future (this was a non repeatable / non football related situation).

[Dresden]

More from Biggs on 670- Braxton Jones was asked by the team not to speak to the media after the game, and was not mentioned by Ben Johnson as someone who was injured during the game. Cairo Santos apparently was injured- a strained quad. That's why Tory Taylor kicked off after the last TD by the Bears. Hopefully that's not serious.

Biggs also talked about Tyrique, and how he has started to become more professional in his preparation, his practice habits, his participation in the meeting rooms, etc. Still has a long way to go to earn everyone's trust, but these last two games have shown what he can be when he's dialed in.

[Dresden]

At the time I was anti how he handled himself leading up to the draft. Had he crushed his pro day and looked all world especially considering his season was over and all he had to do was workout like a madman and show front offices that he’d been crushing it leading up the draft. I thought it was a bad look - what was he doing that whole time? Plenty of teams passed on him. It wasn’t just us and as far as players with red flags I trust that GMs have access to worlds more info than us the public do.

From an outside distraction perspective, the legal and PR stuff he was going through was probably among the most that any prospect has ever had to deal with. From a personal emotional well being standpoint, the very recent death of a friend that he was indirectly involved with likely also took a pretty significant toll.

If he were crushing it prior to the draft, he wouldn't have been there at our pick. The reasons he was not crushing it seemed highly likely to be temporary in nature. Like I said, to me, a very rare but obvious human psychology arbitrage opportunity. To me it felt obvious why people got so negative (focusing on results of what happened) and also obvious why it wouldn't have a big impact in the future (this was a non repeatable / non football related situation).

To me, the biggest red flags on him were not the auto accident but the reports that former coaches and people who knew him were telling teams to be wary of him. That stuff is hard to verify, so who knows how true it was, and what exactly they said, but if it was true, that's pretty damaging, to have former coaches dislike you so much that they are warning potential employers away from the guy.

That being said, I was still disappointed when I heard the trade announced, and that PHI had taken him. Somehow I had the feeling that Poles and the Bears wouldn't take that risk. It seemed like something Ditka, if he was still with the org. might have done, but not the current, very conservative regime.

[patryk7754]

The blocking has been a lot better since trapdoor came in

I don't know if that was intentional or not, but that's a great nickname for Ozzie!

it was not. but ill take credit if it sticks. I wonder if this opens up a competition for Ozzie to start. Maybe not at RT but somewhere on the line. Because he really played great. Had a handful of gaffs, but so would anyone against a top for edge, having maybe the best game of his career. I know he didn't look too hot at LT in the preseason, but if Jones is out, based on the LV game, Ozzie seems to be our best option.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

At the time I was anti how he handled himself leading up to the draft. Had he crushed his pro day and looked all world especially considering his season was over and all he had to do was workout like a madman and show front offices that he’d been crushing it leading up the draft. I thought it was a bad look - what was he doing that whole time? Plenty of teams passed on him. It wasn’t just us and as far as players with red flags I trust that GMs have access to worlds more info than us the public do.

From an outside distraction perspective, the legal and PR stuff he was going through was probably among the most that any prospect has ever had to deal with. From a personal emotional well being standpoint, the very recent death of a friend that he was indirectly involved with likely also took a pretty significant toll.

If he were crushing it prior to the draft, he wouldn't have been there at our pick. The reasons he was not crushing it seemed highly likely to be temporary in nature. Like I said, to me, a very rare but obvious human psychology arbitrage opportunity. To me it felt obvious why people got so negative (focusing on results of what happened) and also obvious why it wouldn't have a big impact in the future (this was a non repeatable / non football related situation).

Interesting

Something that I’ve always wondered about is - at the time of the draft Poles had to know already how bad he was going to get burned with the Chase Claypool trade because of his of the field red flags he ignored trading for him. How gun shy did that make him with Carter and other players since?

[Jello Biafra]

We say this every year, but next draft they better use every single frickin' pick on either the offensive or the defensive lines.

I cannot believe how bad our off. line is. It's worse than last year, and we added 3 top free agents! How can they be this bad. We cannot run the ball to save our lives, and the pass pro wasn't very good either. There's no way you can win against good teams with this off. line, without being to run the ball, at all.

At halftime I thought they might as well just get in shotgun formation and throw the ball every single time. It's better than looking at 2nd and 12 every series.

The Bears played two rookies at tackle, one an undrafted free agent from Canada. Everybody was celebrating the tough training camp, but the reality is the team is riddled with injuries on both sides of the ball. Hopefully, the run game D will get better if Jarrett and Edwards get healthy. The bigger issue is left tackle. Braxton clearly is still suffering from last season's injury. Do you hope he gets stronger and more mobile after the break or do you move Wright over to a new position 4 games into the season?

[GetBuLLish]

Read on Twitter

For I don't know how many years, I've always automatically assumed that a Bears drive would fail when we got hit with penalties like this. With Caleb, I actually have a belief that we can still overcome the mistakes and score. Certainly won't happen every time, but just the fact that all is not lost when there's, for example, a holding penalty is a huge change IMO. It just feels different.

[patryk7754]

Drew dalman has been a disappointment so far. I tried to convince myself he was a good pickup after signing him, but he’s just been bad. Hopefully that changes by the end of the season

I legitimately don't get how he was so dominant previously, but struggling here all of a sudden. I'm hoping he just needs some adjustments time, but he looks slow and somehow he's lost strength. Very strange indeed.

My hope is that its an adjustment to the blocking scheme. The entire line seems to be struggling with that (except Thuney) given all the presnap issues we've had. Maybe after the bye week or somewhere in the middle of the season they'll be able to get a good feel for it and improve their blocking overall.

[molepharmer]

More from Biggs on 670- Braxton Jones was asked by the team not to speak to the media after the game, and was not mentioned by Ben Johnson as someone who was injured during the game. Cairo Santos apparently was injured- a strained quad. That's why Tory Taylor kicked off after the last TD by the Bears. Hopefully that's not serious..

The B Jones stuff seems a bit odd. I thought he had gotten banged up on one of the plays where he was very slow to get up off the ground. Don't think he played after that particular play, maybe he had a slight concussion. That could explain why he was asked not to speak to media and why Ben didn't specify him being injured.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Props to Santos, I've been down on the guy but we don't win without him today.

Also props to Stevenson. He gets a lot of hate and for good reason. But he has had some impactful plays this season including the pick today.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

More from Biggs on 670- Braxton Jones was asked by the team not to speak to the media after the game, and was not mentioned by Ben Johnson as someone who was injured during the game. Cairo Santos apparently was injured- a strained quad. That's why Tory Taylor kicked off after the last TD by the Bears. Hopefully that's not serious..

The B Jones stuff seems a bit odd. I thought he had gotten banged up on one of the plays where he was very slow to get up off the ground. Don't think he played after that particular play, maybe he had a slight concussion. That could explain why he was asked not to speak to media and why Ben didn't specify him being injured.

I did see him celebrating the win at the end of the game so that's good at least.

[jnrjr79]

At the time I was anti how he handled himself leading up to the draft. Had he crushed his pro day and looked all world especially considering his season was over and all he had to do was workout like a madman and show front offices that he’d been crushing it leading up the draft. I thought it was a bad look - what was he doing that whole time? Plenty of teams passed on him. It wasn’t just us and as far as players with red flags I trust that GMs have access to worlds more info than us the public do.

From an outside distraction perspective, the legal and PR stuff he was going through was probably among the most that any prospect has ever had to deal with. From a personal emotional well being standpoint, the very recent death of a friend that he was indirectly involved with likely also took a pretty significant toll.

He was directly involved, not indirectly involved, and he fled and left his friend to die.

Whether or not these were sufficient grounds to pass on drafting him, this sort of framing as though this is something that happened to Carter as opposed to something Carter himself did kind of boggles the mind.

[nitetrain8603]

TBF this was mostly a media/fan narrative for Trapilo, but he was baby Alt there for awhile in Bears nation. I can’t recall when I saw a player’s reality Vs his media stock be so different the way it has for Trapilo, but anyway, if he can’t even be the backup RT, gotta question his upside. He should be squashing UDFA types. And TBH, the Bears were trying to hand him the LT job, but he would not take it. So it wasn’t just a media and fan narrative.

We are always so quick to write off players, often based on very limited knowledge of the situation. I think it's safe to say that someone like Kiran is not living up to expectations, but far too early to say that about Trapillo. Instant gratification is not always the best path to follow with young players.

I think it's a bit early to write off Kiran. He's 23 yrs old, been a Bear for less than 18 months and injured most of the time. Granted if he can't stay healthy, any potential he may have is immaterial.

The Bears version of Patrick Williams.

Kiran will be out of the NFL in 5 years.

[patryk7754]

We are always so quick to write off players, often based on very limited knowledge of the situation. I think it's safe to say that someone like Kiran is not living up to expectations, but far too early to say that about Trapillo. Instant gratification is not always the best path to follow with young players.

I think it's a bit early to write off Kiran. He's 23 yrs old, been a Bear for less than 18 months and injured most of the time. Granted if he can't stay healthy, any potential he may have is immaterial.

The Bears version of Patrick Williams.

Kiran will be out of the NFL in 5 years.

7 years in the nfl is pretty impressive

[Dresden]

More from Biggs on 670- Braxton Jones was asked by the team not to speak to the media after the game, and was not mentioned by Ben Johnson as someone who was injured during the game. Cairo Santos apparently was injured- a strained quad. That's why Tory Taylor kicked off after the last TD by the Bears. Hopefully that's not serious..

The B Jones stuff seems a bit odd. I thought he had gotten banged up on one of the plays where he was very slow to get up off the ground. Don't think he played after that particular play, maybe he had a slight concussion. That could explain why he was asked not to speak to media and why Ben didn't specify him being injured.

Biggs made the point that when a player is injured, they take his helmet away, which signals he's done for the day. Braxton still had his helmet on the sidelines, so Biggs concluded that meant he wasn't hurt (along with the fact that Johnson didn't mention him in his presser when asked about injuries during the game.)

[patryk7754]

Props to Santos, I've been down on the guy but we don't win without him today.

Also props to Stevenson. He gets a lot of hate and for good reason. But he has had some impactful plays this season including the pick today.

The only knock on Santos is that he doesn't have this superhuman leg like a lot of the top kickers have nowadays. This puts us at a disadvantage becuase we have less scoring opportunities.

Were he gives us an advantage is that you will find few (if any) more accurate and clutch within 52 yards

[Dresden]

We say this every year, but next draft they better use every single frickin' pick on either the offensive or the defensive lines.

I cannot believe how bad our off. line is. It's worse than last year, and we added 3 top free agents! How can they be this bad. We cannot run the ball to save our lives, and the pass pro wasn't very good either. There's no way you can win against good teams with this off. line, without being to run the ball, at all.

At halftime I thought they might as well just get in shotgun formation and throw the ball every single time. It's better than looking at 2nd and 12 every series.

The Bears played two rookies at tackle, one an undrafted free agent from Canada. Everybody was celebrating the tough training camp, but the reality is the team is riddled with injuries on both sides of the ball. Hopefully, the run game D will get better if Jarrett and Edwards get healthy. The bigger issue is left tackle. Braxton clearly is still suffering from last season's injury. Do you hope he gets stronger and more mobile after the break or do you move Wright over to a new position 4 games into the season?

Even before Braxton got hurt they couldn't run the ball. And since a lot of the runs are between the tackles, the interior of the line is not creating any holes either. I expected it would take time for them to gel, and hopefully this is all it is, but man did they look pathetic yesterday.

[Dresden]

Props to Santos, I've been down on the guy but we don't win without him today.

Also props to Stevenson. He gets a lot of hate and for good reason. But he has had some impactful plays this season including the pick today.

The only knock on Santos is that he doesn't have this superhuman leg like a lot of the top kickers have nowadays. This puts us at a disadvantage becuase we have less scoring opportunities.

Were he gives us an advantage is that you will find few (if any) more accurate and clutch within 52 yards

On days like yesterday, you're glad you have a kicker that can at least makes the easy ones. And then there are other games where his lack of distance really hurts.