Bulls vs Wolves 7pm CT

[Indomitable]

Is it controversial to say that Buzelis is a significantly better prospect than Wagner? It shouldn’t be.

Only Bulls fans would say that

Come on bro- Matas is gonna beat D. Rose for youngest MVP.

https://youtu.be/Q_4bp8bBNVw?si=aHZZQiSGnm5e7dNU

[dougthonus]

Franz's whole season averages for his rookie year weren't much different than his post ASB numbers. He played a few more minutes per game pre all star break which helped his scoring a tad but his per minute numbers were actually better post ASB.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4566434/type/nba/year/2022/category/per48

I mean, if we are going to argue semantics Franz's numbers weren't "well below".

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=wagnefr01&p1yrfrom=2022&p1yrto=2022&player_id2=buzelma01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

Here's their rookie year compare link. If you were looking at per game totals which is what you posted, there is a pretty huge gap using season vs post all star break. I agree that you're right if you use per 36 numbers where the gap becomes way more nuanced (Franz highlighting more passing, Matas more defense, scoring very similar).

Anyway, probably too far down the semantic rabbit hole here. I think knowing where Franz ended up, I'd rather gamble on Matas being even better than having Franz. I think Franz is one of those guys who got the max, but you have to squint real hard to seem him as worth it which means he's going to float by as a fringe bad contract.

[sco]

Franz's whole season averages for his rookie year weren't much different than his post ASB numbers. He played a few more minutes per game pre all star break which helped his scoring a tad but his per minute numbers were actually better post ASB.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4566434/type/nba/year/2022/category/per48

I mean, if we are going to argue semantics Franz's numbers weren't "well below".

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=wagnefr01&p1yrfrom=2022&p1yrto=2022&player_id2=buzelma01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

Here's their rookie year compare link. If you were looking at per game totals which is what you posted, there is a pretty huge gap using season vs post all star break. I agree that you're right if you use per 36 numbers where the gap becomes way more nuanced (Franz highlighting more passing, Matas more defense, scoring very similar).

Anyway, probably too far down the semantic rabbit hole here. I think knowing where Franz ended up, I'd rather gamble on Matas being even better than having Franz. I think Franz is one of those guys who got the max, but you have to squint real hard to seem him as worth it which means he's going to float by as a fringe bad contract.

You make an interesting point on Franz, and being a finge bad contract. When I think about Franz, he can handle the ball, playmake, scores 24.5ppg, defend multiple positions at a high level. Goes to show how even an average 3pt shot colors perception. The flipside of that is that other skills are highly discounted in forwards.