Just for fun: What do you do to go all in on this team?

[GoBlue72391]

Lauri is a crap defend. He has never in his career did a good job with.

Because you want to have your Lauri fantasy fulfilled means.

I am looking for a role player who will do the dirty work. Never in Lauri career has he done.

This shows your ignorance. Goodbye

Did you know players can improve? Just because he wasn't a good defender 5 years ago on the Bulls doesn't mean he's still a bad defender.

He is 28 going on 29. He has never been a rim protector.

The Bulls need front line defense and that is not his strong suit.

Yeah he's not a rim protector, but that's different than being a crap defender altogether.

I don't think we should target Lauri, but I do think he's a very, very good player.

[BullsSD]

Currently dancing while listening to Kodak Black - Skrilla

[HomoSapien]

Watching Sabonis tonight, you can kind of see how it would work on offense. His ball-handling and passing would really fit in. Defense is rough, but I am not sure that he's a downgrade from Vuc there or more or less equally bad. I wouldn't be surprised if we are willing to part with Essengue for him.

[nomorezorro]

i could dive into my thoughts on sabonis but ultimately it's probably more pertinent to just say: i don't think the kings are going to do another big trade with us lol

[WindyCityBorn]

Watching Sabonis tonight, you can kind of see how it would work on offense. His ball-handling and passing would really fit in. Defense is rough, but I am not sure that he's a downgrade from Vuc there or more or less equally bad. I wouldn't be surprised if we are willing to part with Essengue for him.

I want no part of Sabonis. Our next center needs to be plus defender.

[WindyCityBorn]

What fun about this is there is no reason to go all in. Our best two players are 23 and 20 years old. Coby is only 25 years old. Noa is only 18? We can let this team grow organically for the next 2 or 3 and then make a move after we see fully see what have.

I would be pretty disappointed if we made another short-side win now trade. I don’t care how weak the East is. Stick to the plan.

[coldfish]

What fun about this is there is no reason to go all in. Our best two players are 23 and 20 years old. Coby is only 25 years old. Noa is only 18? We can let this team grow organically for the next 2 or 3 and then make a move after we see fully see what have.

I would be pretty disappointed if we made another short-side win now trade. I don’t care how weak the East is. Stick to the plan.

The way that Reinsdorf is about the cap, the Bulls don't get huge windows to jump up. They basically have to be a contender level team BEFORE the contract extensions kick in or Reinsdorf will start letting people go.

Even further, a lot of the contributors you see right now are unrestricted free agents. Vuc, Huerter, Coby and Ayo. The team might just come apart in the offseason. While I agree there is no reason to panic, the team shouldn't wait forever either. If a good trade comes up where you can give up future assets to significantly upgrade the team now, I think you have to do it.

[Red Larrivee]

What fun about this is there is no reason to go all in. Our best two players are 23 and 20 years old. Coby is only 25 years old. Noa is only 18? We can let this team grow organically for the next 2 or 3 and then make a move after we see fully see what have.

I would be pretty disappointed if we made another short-side win now trade. I don’t care how weak the East is. Stick to the plan.

That would make sense if the Bulls were loaded with assets and had more flexibility to manage the cap. When you don't build that way, you need to strike sooner rather than later.

Giddey is on an affordable deal, Tre Jones looks like one of the best contracts in the league, and Buzelis is on a rookie contract. We could even still retain a few of the bench pieces too. There's a small window to stack the team, and they have to maximize it if the team continues overachieving.

It may not even be about landing an all-star, even though that's best case. Can they buy low again on another young-ish player who needs a change of scenery, fits the play style and can impact the team?

[Red Larrivee]

Watching Sabonis tonight, you can kind of see how it would work on offense. His ball-handling and passing would really fit in. Defense is rough, but I am not sure that he's a downgrade from Vuc there or more or less equally bad. I wouldn't be surprised if we are willing to part with Essengue for him.

I hope not. The Bulls are still giving teams a red carpet to the paint and they'd only be locking themselves into that with Sabonis. Part of that is how aggressively they're emphasizing rotating to shooters, but there still needs to be a little more backbone in the paint.

If the Bulls acquire any starting big at this point, it needs to be someone with defensive value.

[Indomitable]

Did you know players can improve? Just because he wasn't a good defender 5 years ago on the Bulls doesn't mean he's still a bad defender.

He is 28 going on 29. He has never been a rim protector.

The Bulls need front line defense and that is not his strong suit.

Yeah he's not a rim protector, but that's different than being a crap defender altogether.

I don't think we should target Lauri, but I do think he's a very, very good player.

He would not add what is needed. Kessler at least makes sense.

I believe a player like Ware is ideal. Just imagine in 2 years a frontline with Matais, a filled out Noa, and versatile shotblocker. That would be something to see.

[Seccci]

Adebayo or JJJ would be ideal but no indication they are even on horizon to be available. I will wait on how Coby White looks with this lineup, but I view him as trade chip as he is free agent after season anyway along with our 1st round picks to get player better than him( love the guy, but all in means getting difference maker, either at C or at SG/SF)
Not interested in bulls paying Coby white 30+ mil a season unless he produces at least Zach lavine number+efficiency season
Lauri is a no for me, been there, done that...

But i like the suggestion to wait and see if by chance one of those top 15 players gets disgruntled and wants to move rather than risk another VUC backfire on a trade
Than it's worth it to get all nba players and offer 3/4 1sts and swaps, u getting money's worth instead of sending it for bane like magic, or gobert to minn or Knicks for mikal bridges- those are good players but not difference makers.

[ghostinthepost1]

I wonder if there's some kind of Trae Young deal that could be available.

He has a player option this off season and it doesn't seem like the Hawks are rushing to give him a max. He could leave in FA for nothing so maybe at the deadline they look to move him for whatever they can get.

He's obviously a flawed player but if we can get him for pennies on the dollar (maybe Coby + Salary filler + Portlands pick) it might be worth it to see how he fits next to bigger playmaker in Giddey.

Offense would be really fun, defense less so.

[WindyCityBorn]

What fun about this is there is no reason to go all in. Our best two players are 23 and 20 years old. Coby is only 25 years old. Noa is only 18? We can let this team grow organically for the next 2 or 3 and then make a move after we see fully see what have.

I would be pretty disappointed if we made another short-side win now trade. I don’t care how weak the East is. Stick to the plan.

The way that Reinsdorf is about the cap, the Bulls don't get huge windows to jump up. They basically have to be a contender level team BEFORE the contract extensions kick in or Reinsdorf will start letting people go.

Even further, a lot of the contributors you see right now are unrestricted free agents. Vuc, Huerter, Coby and Ayo. The team might just come apart in the offseason. While I agree there is no reason to panic, the team shouldn't wait forever either. If a good trade comes up where you can give up future assets to significantly upgrade the team now, I think you have to do it.

I’m fine with making a move to upgrade the team. What I didn’t make clear is it can’t be some guy that will be out his prime by the time guy like Buzelis really ready contend like Vuc was. And it can’t be someone with massive flaws like Sabonis. If can get young great player you do it. I don’t think we have the assets to pull that off though.

What be an example of needle moving player that fits those criteria that we could acquire and wouldn’t have to give up Giddey or Matas?

[jnrjr79]

I wonder if there's some kind of Trae Young deal that could be available.

He has a player option this off season and it doesn't seem like the Hawks are rushing to give him a max. He could leave in FA for nothing so maybe at the deadline they look to move him for whatever they can get.

He's obviously a flawed player but if we can get him for pennies on the dollar (maybe Coby + Salary filler + Portlands pick) it might be worth it to see how he fits next to bigger playmaker in Giddey.

Offense would be really fun, defense less so.

Young on this team would be a non-starter defensively, and he also negates Giddey's value, since Young would be the primary ball-handler.

[MrSparkle]

I wonder if there's some kind of Trae Young deal that could be available.

He has a player option this off season and it doesn't seem like the Hawks are rushing to give him a max. He could leave in FA for nothing so maybe at the deadline they look to move him for whatever they can get.

He's obviously a flawed player but if we can get him for pennies on the dollar (maybe Coby + Salary filler + Portlands pick) it might be worth it to see how he fits next to bigger playmaker in Giddey.

Offense would be really fun, defense less so.

Young on this team would be a non-starter defensively, and he also negates Giddey's value, since Young would be the primary ball-handler.

Yea. A good lesson from the Vuc/Zach/Demar build would be to not over-invest in 1-way stars. It backfired on "bargain" deals, let alone on full maxes like Trae. I think it's an OK compromise if you have an MVP on the roster, and depth, and/or you desperately need offensive help. Even then, that Lillard trade backfired on Milwaukee (before the injury).

One thing analytics and the GMs seem to realize right now; poor defensive guards don't deserve the big bucks. I think a lot of GMs right now would pick Derrick White over Trae, without even considering salary.

[Red Larrivee]

Bulls will probably have somewhere around 75-80M in cap space in the offseason (est. cap = 166M). That's enough to:

- Re-sign Ayo (Let's say $15M)
- Re-sign Huerter (Let's say another 15M)

That still leaves you with around $40M+ to go after someone through trade or FA.

We shouldn't force acquire a big name. That's how you'll end up with Domantas Sabonis or Trae Young. I think you should still be looking to stay deep, acquire players on the upswing or in their young prime and who can add defensive value. That way you can still keep yourself ready for a big deal and maintain the current playstyle.

Tari Eason for example is someone I would keep an eye on. Not a needle mover individually, but combined with the sum of parts would improve us.

[sco]

I wonder if there's some kind of Trae Young deal that could be available.

He has a player option this off season and it doesn't seem like the Hawks are rushing to give him a max. He could leave in FA for nothing so maybe at the deadline they look to move him for whatever they can get.

He's obviously a flawed player but if we can get him for pennies on the dollar (maybe Coby + Salary filler + Portlands pick) it might be worth it to see how he fits next to bigger playmaker in Giddey.

Offense would be really fun, defense less so.

Young on this team would be a non-starter defensively, and he also negates Giddey's value, since Young would be the primary ball-handler.

Yea. A good lesson from the Vuc/Zach/Demar build would be to not over-invest in 1-way stars. It backfired on "bargain" deals, let alone on full maxes like Trae. I think it's an OK compromise if you have an MVP on the roster, and depth, and/or you desperately need offensive help. Even then, that Lillard trade backfired on Milwaukee (before the injury).

One thing analytics and the GMs seem to realize right now; poor defensive guards don't deserve the big bucks. I think a lot of GMs right now would pick Derrick White over Trae, without even considering salary.

Yeah, we can sort of see what happens when you replace a 1-way guy in Coby with a 2-way guy in Tre. I have been a proponent of getting a true #1, which to me meant a better version of Coby (to replace Coby), but finding one that as an above average defender, even if the offense is around the same as Coby might work too. Despite the price tag, I'd be ok nabbing a Booker or Brown, especially if we could also get a guy like Clingon.

[nomorezorro]

think jjj might be trending toward "plausible target" based on how things are developing in memphis

[pipfan]

Young on this team would be a non-starter defensively, and he also negates Giddey's value, since Young would be the primary ball-handler.

Yea. A good lesson from the Vuc/Zach/Demar build would be to not over-invest in 1-way stars. It backfired on "bargain" deals, let alone on full maxes like Trae. I think it's an OK compromise if you have an MVP on the roster, and depth, and/or you desperately need offensive help. Even then, that Lillard trade backfired on Milwaukee (before the injury).

One thing analytics and the GMs seem to realize right now; poor defensive guards don't deserve the big bucks. I think a lot of GMs right now would pick Derrick White over Trae, without even considering salary.

Yeah, we can sort of see what happens when you replace a 1-way guy in Coby with a 2-way guy in Tre. I have been a proponent of getting a true #1, which to me meant a better version of Coby (to replace Coby), but finding one that as an above average defender, even if the offense is around the same as Coby might work too. Despite the price tag, I'd be ok nabbing a Booker or Brown, especially if we could also get a guy like Clingon.

Honestly, TYoung would probably be the last player in the league we should target. Plus, I HATE his game (as do many of us)
Yes, he's a good player and could easily end up in the HoF someday but he's be a terrible fit

[pipfan]

think jjj might be trending toward "plausible target" based on how things are developing in memphis

The one thing with him is his historically bad rebounding-not sure why. He's big and athletic

Collins/JCarter/Noa/Port pick/Bulls' 2026 unprotected 1st for JJJ? Probably need another 1st

White/Jones
Giddey/Ayo
Matas/Huerter
JJJ/PWill
Vuc/JSmith

That's a huge, balanced lineup. Okoro/Phillips deep bench

Memphis trades Ja too and starts over?