PG: SIMPLY UNBEATABULL

[GoBlue72391]

Imagine essenguae is a thing

He will be. His defensive IQ is off the charts for his age and his length to go with it will make him a big impact defender soon.

Have we seen enough of Essengue yet to make a claim like that? That's a really bold claim to make about someone we've seen for a total of 144 minutes across summer league and preseason.

I think "good" is fair, but "off the charts" seems like a reach given how little we've seen of him and the level of competition we've seen him play against.

I imagine if that were true he would have found himself on the court at some point over these first 4 games instead of being the only lottery pick yet to make his NBA debut, even with his lack of strength/weight/experience/etc.

To me, he's basically a complete and total question mark. An enigma.

[GoBlue72391]

I realize with Giddey he’s going to have detractors due to his historically dreadful defense and how obsessed everyone is with this notion that if you aren’t a three point shooter you create ripples of roster chaos. That’s basketball analysis and people have differing views on how many different ways the game can be played effectively. And those are legitimate basketball points and concerns anyway.

But you’ll never convince me that this board’s negative response to that trade, and reluctance to credit Giddey with observable improvements and even eventually an explosion of productivity and success, isn’t somehow connected to him becoming a temporary laughing stock on social media due to the girl.

I really don't think it was about the girl incident. Most of the complaints here were of the "Presti has such a surplus of picks and we couldn't wrestle a couple 2nds out of that too?" Variety And of course, a few other complaints claiming a pair of crappy 1sts from GSW would have been better.

I don't think it's just Bulls fans, NBA fans in general overrate the living crap out of late 1sts. I can see if they had turned down 2 unprotected 1sts from like Charlotte or something lol. But to whine and moan about not trading caruso for 2 late 1sts instead of a recent #6 pick that was still only 21 and had some good showings on his NBA resume, was lunacy to me. And Presti isn't a crackhead. He wasn't giving us that player for a 30 year old journeyman defensive specialist AND including picks just because!

That was my stance when the trade happened. I was excited and thought getting Giddey for Caruso straight up was a steal for us. The proof is in the thread if anyone wants receipts !

I think it had nothing to do with the trade itself and everything to do with most poster's desire to burn the whole thing down and fire everybody.

It was a strange trade, with or without the benefit of hindsight. How often do straight up one-for-one player trades happen? Almost never.

Combine that with the fact that the Thunder had a collection of picks, it's understandable the fanbase wouldn't just immediately trust AKME's judgment on that, especially given their success rate and reputation at the time of the trade.

You're implying that people are so unreasonable they would have crucified AKME regardless of the moves they make or do not make, when that's obviously not true. When they make a good move, it's received as such.

The Giddey trade wasn't an obvious home run at the time given what I already mentioned plus Giddey's playoff benching and the fact that he was mired in that mini-scandal. Plus, Caruso was a beloved fan favorite.

It's looking like a great trade in hindsight, and a rare win-win for both teams.

[GoBlue72391]

As soon as Zach started going off early I knew we were gonna win. And I was right. I'm so happy to not having to deal with that anymore. It's so nice being on the other side

You really putting the blame on Zach for that team being terrible? I really hope goes to established winner after his contract is up. He wasted his prime in Chicago and now Sacramento. He would be great as a 3rd option on a lot of teams.

I think he can be a 2nd option on a contender playing next to a true ball dominant superstar, off-ball Zach is a thing and he's never had the opportunity to make that his full time role.

[Chi town]

Imagine essenguae is a thing

He will be. His defensive IQ is off the charts for his age and his length to go with it will make him a big impact defender soon.

Have we seen enough of Essengue yet to make a claim like that? That's a really bold claim to make about someone we've seen for a total of 144 minutes across summer league and preseason.

I think "good" is fair, but "off the charts" seems like a reach given how little we've seen of him and the level of competition we've seen him play against.

I imagine if that were true he would have found himself on the court at some point over these first 4 games instead of being the only lottery pick yet to make his NBA debut, even with his lack of strength/weight/experience/etc.

To me, he's basically a complete and total question mark. An enigma.

Billy himself has said he’s way ahead of where Buz was defensively last year and Buz was ahead of him offensively. Billy has said that his IQ and feel for the game is very advanced.

Cowley said today that word from the Bulls coaches is Noa is a worker just like Buz and that his IQ is excellent.

I was high on Noa since I saw him at 17 against the Blazers in pre season. His feel stands out big time. So does his length. Billy said lastnight that Buz’s length helps him a ton and gets him to the bucket. In time the same will be true for Noa. He doesn’t and probably won’t ever have Buz’s handle but I think he will be able to get to the hoop.

I think Noa will keep getting better all season and G League games he will show out. My bet is he will be playing meaningful mins be ASB. Short but rotation mins and will be rewarded with more when he plays well.

It’s a long season. He will get opportunities.

[wolffy]

Noa is simply too thin. Hes gonna get bullied by a lot of guys

[Ice Man]

You're implying that people are so unreasonable they would have crucified AKME regardless of the moves they make or do not make, when that's obviously not true. When they make a good move, it's received as such.

Hmmm. That's not how I see it. The reputation of coaches & GMs are like supertankers, they take a long time to shift. Which means that criticism of a fan favorite or praise for the decision of guy who is regarded as a bum doesn't get much of a hearing.

For example, Thibs botched the 2014 playoffs versus the Wizards by having Jimmy play 48 minutes in a meaningless Game 82 (yes, he did), then having an exhausted Jimmy chase the most active Wizard around the court in the series, that being a young Bradley Beal. Butler was trash in the series.

Plus, Thibs started a washed Carlos Boozer, who would be released by the Bulls after that series and who was out of the league entirely one year later, rather than a prime Taj Gibson. Consequently, the Bulls fell behind in every 1st quarter and were constantly playing catch-up.

Plus, the WIz threw a different defense at Jo than he had seen all season (face guarding in the high post) and Jo struggled, with the Bulls never adjusting.

Perhaps I can get a listen for these points now, but I couldn't when the man was St. Thomas.

[Jello Biafra]

I really don't think it was about the girl incident. Most of the complaints here were of the "Presti has such a surplus of picks and we couldn't wrestle a couple 2nds out of that too?" Variety And of course, a few other complaints claiming a pair of crappy 1sts from GSW would have been better.

I don't think it's just Bulls fans, NBA fans in general overrate the living crap out of late 1sts. I can see if they had turned down 2 unprotected 1sts from like Charlotte or something lol. But to whine and moan about not trading caruso for 2 late 1sts instead of a recent #6 pick that was still only 21 and had some good showings on his NBA resume, was lunacy to me. And Presti isn't a crackhead. He wasn't giving us that player for a 30 year old journeyman defensive specialist AND including picks just because!

That was my stance when the trade happened. I was excited and thought getting Giddey for Caruso straight up was a steal for us. The proof is in the thread if anyone wants receipts !

I think it had nothing to do with the trade itself and everything to do with most poster's desire to burn the whole thing down and fire everybody.

You're implying that people are so unreasonable they would have crucified AKME regardless of the moves they make or do not make, when that's obviously not true. When they make a good move, it's received as such.

Ehh,I don't know about that. Your argument would be more persuasive, however, if you hadn't have noticed and saved a screenshot of the Fire AKME jersey dude that was on TV for about 1 second and made it your avatar. I believe you said you had 100 level seats. (Congrats on that by the way). Was that you?

[GoBlue72391]

I think it had nothing to do with the trade itself and everything to do with most poster's desire to burn the whole thing down and fire everybody.

You're implying that people are so unreasonable they would have crucified AKME regardless of the moves they make or do not make, when that's obviously not true. When they make a good move, it's received as such.

Ehh,I don't know about that. Your argument would be more persuasive, however, if you hadn't have noticed and saved a screenshot of the Fire AKME jersey dude that was on TV for about 1 second and made it your avatar. I believe you said you had 100 level seats. (Congrats on that by the way). Was that you?

That was not me, I went to the Bulls v Kings game, that guy with the AKME jersey was from the game prior.

[GoBlue72391]

He will be. His defensive IQ is off the charts for his age and his length to go with it will make him a big impact defender soon.

Have we seen enough of Essengue yet to make a claim like that? That's a really bold claim to make about someone we've seen for a total of 144 minutes across summer league and preseason.

I think "good" is fair, but "off the charts" seems like a reach given how little we've seen of him and the level of competition we've seen him play against.

I imagine if that were true he would have found himself on the court at some point over these first 4 games instead of being the only lottery pick yet to make his NBA debut, even with his lack of strength/weight/experience/etc.

To me, he's basically a complete and total question mark. An enigma.

Billy himself has said he’s way ahead of where Buz was defensively last year and Buz was ahead of him offensively. Billy has said that his IQ and feel for the game is very advanced.

Cowley said today that word from the Bulls coaches is Noa is a worker just like Buz and that his IQ is excellent.

I was high on Noa since I saw him at 17 against the Blazers in pre season. His feel stands out big time. So does his length. Billy said lastnight that Buz’s length helps him a ton and gets him to the bucket. In time the same will be true for Noa. He doesn’t and probably won’t ever have Buz’s handle but I think he will be able to get to the hoop.

I think Noa will keep getting better all season and G League games he will show out. My bet is he will be playing meaningful mins be ASB. Short but rotation mins and will be rewarded with more when he plays well.

It’s a long season. He will get opportunities.

I don't put much stock into coach speak. Actions speak louder than words, and he's been sitting behind low-IQ guys like Terry, Smith, as well as Phillips who just never does anything.

I do think he'll find a small role at some point this season. If it were up to me, he would be playing over Terry/Phillips.