AKME's Biggest Mistakes-update

[BullsSD]

Well a lot of those appear to not be mistakes. Things just take time to develop. It’s very easy for us as fans to armchair quarterback with 20/20 hindsight. We are now witnessing the second 1 seed they have built in Chicago, which is NOT an easy thing to do, and they’ve now done it 3 times in a row in 2 different cities.

The only mistake was not moving on from the previous era earlier during Lonzo’s injuries. But hey, if waiting a bit longer was the cost to have THIS team, then it was also a W.

Once we move Vuc and get a center who fits even better, we are going to be so damn fun to watch.

We're not going to be a 1 seed lol

Agreed this year. But I see top 5 with Coby back. A good trade in the offseason and continual development from the young guys could put us in contention sooner than anyone thinks. The team chemistry is there. So is the depth.

[Hangtime84]

It was Lauri vs Lavine.

Lavine could off ball create and Lauri couldn’t. If there was a trade to take back that is the one.

That enabled the Vuc trade.

To be honest I wanted to keep both we had the lowest 3 point percentages and attempts in the league. Letting go of Lauri was a big part of that.

[Ccwatercraft]

I goofed and picked just one.

I picked.dalen, because it's boring at this point to pick on pat.

My 3 would be.

Dalen draft
Pat extension (at that price)
Other. Not going all in to replace Lonzo when he went down, we had something going.

[BullsSD]

I goofed and picked just one.

I picked.dalen, because it's boring at this point to pick on pat.

My 3 would be.

Dalen draft
Pat extension (at that price)
Other. Not going all in to replace Lonzo when he went down, we had something going.

The way P Will is playing this year, I'm not really that mad at the $20 mil. Sure it's still high, but we are getting solid production out of him right now. He looks great.

[ShouldaPaidBG]

Lavine extension and not tearing down in 2023 are basically the same decision. That's my choice.

[Jcool0]

Passing on what is looking like a top 5 pick in a loaded draft for a guy that had played 0 NBA minutes so far is certainly a choice....

[Hangtime84]

Passing on what is looking like a top 5 pick in a loaded draft for a guy that had played 0 NBA minutes so far is certainly a choice....

who?

[Jcool0]

Passing on what is looking like a top 5 pick in a loaded draft for a guy that had played 0 NBA minutes so far is certainly a choice....

who?

What are you asking?

[Hangtime84]

Passing on what is looking like a top 5 pick in a loaded draft for a guy that had played 0 NBA minutes so far is certainly a choice....

who?

What are you asking?

I'm understanding the Noa reference but i'm asking who in the draft who looking like a top 5 pick that we could have had at our position in this one.

[ghostinthepost1]

who?

What are you asking?

I'm understanding the Noa reference but i'm asking who in the draft who looking like a top 5 pick that we could have had at our position in this one.

He's talking about not taking the Pelicans deal that Atlanta did and getting their pick this year which looks like it'll be Top 5 in a great draft.

However, we have no idea if that was ever offered to the Bulls so

[Sinistar6]

i think not tearing it down/extending vucevic are the only two that were really really obviously not going to work out at the time they happened

This was and remains the very-obvious-in-real-time mistake that doomed us. And it was more than just one trade deadline.

I’m not sure people fully appreciate just how much AK has gotten bailed out by drafting Matas at 11. If it weren’t for that one thing this would be a total nightmare.

Hi Duck! The Giddy trade has to also be looked at as an amazing trade no?

[ChiTownHero1992]

P-Will Pick and P-Will Extension tho are basically the same in a sense, are 2 of the biggest blunders in Bulls history so they both deserve to be his biggest blemmishs

The third...I chose the Lauri deal due to what he became nearly directly afterward, but also consider the Vuc deal just as bad

[Ccwatercraft]

I goofed and picked just one.

I picked.dalen, because it's boring at this point to pick on pat.

My 3 would be.

Dalen draft
Pat extension (at that price)
Other. Not going all in to replace Lonzo when he went down, we had something going.

The way P Will is playing this year, I'm not really that mad at the $20 mil. Sure it's still high, but we are getting solid production out of him right now. He looks great.

Ngl, he's doing just fine right now, playing well.

[Jcool0]

What are you asking?

I'm understanding the Noa reference but i'm asking who in the draft who looking like a top 5 pick that we could have had at our position in this one.

He's talking about not taking the Pelicans deal that Atlanta did and getting their pick this year which looks like it'll be Top 5 in a great draft.

However, we have no idea if that was ever offered to the Bulls so

Joe Dumars says he offered it from 9 down till someone said yes.

[DuckIII]

i think not tearing it down/extending vucevic are the only two that were really really obviously not going to work out at the time they happened

This was and remains the very-obvious-in-real-time mistake that doomed us. And it was more than just one trade deadline.

I’m not sure people fully appreciate just how much AK has gotten bailed out by drafting Matas at 11. If it weren’t for that one thing this would be a total nightmare.

Hi Duck! The Giddy trade has to also be looked at as an amazing trade no?

Absolutely. Not sure if you’ve seen my posts about it but I always supported the trade from day 1 as an excellent use of Caruso. But I had some concerns about Giddey, especially defensively, and the fact that we only had one year to evaluate him and 60% of that season being played in a way we would not play later with Giddey at the helm.

But he resolved all those questions for me by the end of the season. Big fan. But he’s not a franchise player. Without Matas his signing would not be as effective standing alone.

They are the core.

[DuckIII]

What are you asking?

I'm understanding the Noa reference but i'm asking who in the draft who looking like a top 5 pick that we could have had at our position in this one.

He's talking about not taking the Pelicans deal that Atlanta did and getting their pick this year which looks like it'll be Top 5 in a great draft.

However, we have no idea if that was ever offered to the Bulls so

I’ve been posting here since the site opened. Let me save you a lot of time.

The board has determined that the exact same offer given the Pels is the exact same offer they gave to the teams holding picks 8-12 and all those teams rejected it.

There’s no evidence to support this degree of certainty of course but it does not matter. It is now true for the purposes of posting here. You will waste hours over the years trying to explain this, so just bail out now.

Also, regardless of whether it’s true it’s irrelevant unless the Hawks end up with a player superior or Noa. Otherwise it’s it’s purely academic.

Might be a mistake. But the certainty with which it is discussed is not at all warranted. And I would love nothing more than seeing AK get canned.

[DuckIII]

I'm understanding the Noa reference but i'm asking who in the draft who looking like a top 5 pick that we could have had at our position in this one.

He's talking about not taking the Pelicans deal that Atlanta did and getting their pick this year which looks like it'll be Top 5 in a great draft.

However, we have no idea if that was ever offered to the Bulls so

Joe Dumars says he offered it from 9 down till someone said yes.

No he didn’t. He said he made “offers” from “9 down” until he got a deal.

Pretty wild how 4 straight teams turned it down despite seemingly everyone agreeing it was an amazing trade by the Hawks and a terrible one by the Pels.

Were the GMs of picks 9-12 just the only people on earth who can’t see that? Or is it more likely (vastly more likely) that the Pels sweetened the deal when they realized they were basically out of options to get a deal for Queen.

I don’t care about convincing anyone. But I know this is going to be treated as a fact when it’s clearly not.

Hopefully now I have the willpower to follow the advice I just gave the other poster and never correct the narrative again. Because it never works. This board has declared what is true.

People will still be saying it as a fact a decade from now.

[Red Larrivee]

I'm understanding the Noa reference but i'm asking who in the draft who looking like a top 5 pick that we could have had at our position in this one.

He's talking about not taking the Pelicans deal that Atlanta did and getting their pick this year which looks like it'll be Top 5 in a great draft.

However, we have no idea if that was ever offered to the Bulls so

Joe Dumars says he offered it from 9 down till someone said yes.

That's not exactly what he said:

After we drafted 7th, we started from #9 and went all the way until we got a deal (at #13). And you don't pull the trigger on the asset next year (unprotected 2026 Pels/Bucks 1st), until you get that deal, otherwise we keep it."

Granted, they could have offered the same trade, but Dumars did not say that. We still never got any confirmation that any teams 9-12 were offered the same deal.

[DuckIII]

One other thing I'd note about Dumars' comments is they came AFTER intense criticism for making what Bill Simmons called one of the "dumbest trades of the decade." Outside of the Flagg hype, that trade was the top national story following the draft. It certainly gives Dumars cover to vaguely suggest - without saying - that he made the same offer to 4 NBA teams who all turned it down. "If 4 teams wouldn't take my offer, how can you say I gave up too much?"

Further, as you can see, I'm a hypocrite with no will power of my own.