Wolves looking at Coby?

[prolific passer]

Again: If he makes everyone else so much better, how come we're still so bad?

Our defense is terrible.

News flash, our offense is also terrible.

I don't think the bulls have a blowout win so far this season. Had a few blowout losses but mostly close losses that just didn't go their way to due to unfortunate circumstances like bad coaching decisions in the 4th.

[WesPeace]

I'd be fine with trading Giddey too. Talk about trading high.

Yeah, I dont mind either.. I just dont want Bulls paying 50- 55M per year for Swiss cheese defense for those two guys, its gotta be Josh or Coby, not both..just bad fit

[Rose2Boozer]

The Wolves are already a first apron team. I wonder if they are going to be willing to pay Coby White his extension demands. It almost seems like they'll have to part with a sizable contract. I wouldn't be surprised if the Wolves are checking for much cheaper Tre Jones instead of Coby White.

[GoBlue72391]

I'd be fine with trading Giddey too. Talk about trading high.

Yeah, no one on this roster is untouchable and we're almost at the point of just blowing everything up. Trading high (for once) wouldn't be a bad idea.

[GoBlue72391]

Based on numerous posts here it's time to fire up the "What teams should we trade Giddey to?" thread. No need to wait. He's on an excellent deal averaging near a trouble double and leads the team in rebounding, assists, and nearly points (career highs too). Players are coming back from injury. It's clear a lot of people don't value Giddey because he's going to prevent the "tank" everyone wants. So just trade him now and get it over with.

I value him a lot, but where is this team going? A team built around him as the top guy is going nowhere, and there's no realistic path to acquire the pieces necessary to bump him down to our #2 or #3 guy.

Blowing the team up and selling high on him doesn't sound as crazy as it did a few weeks ago.

[Clocian]

Based on numerous posts here it's time to fire up the "What teams should we trade Giddey to?" thread. No need to wait. He's on an excellent deal averaging near a trouble double and leads the team in rebounding, assists, and nearly points (career highs too). Players are coming back from injury. It's clear a lot of people don't value Giddey because he's going to prevent the "tank" everyone wants. So just trade him now and get it over with.

I value him a lot, but where is this team going? A team built around him as the top guy is going nowhere, and there's no realistic path to acquire the pieces necessary to bump him down to our #2 or #3 guy.

Blowing the team up and selling high on him doesn't sound as crazy as it did a few weeks ago.

How do we know this when we haven't even put the proper pieces in place to evaluate the team? Not to mention Coby is still seen as the #1 player on the team.

He just got here last year and we only took back what we could for Zach. Still missing the young defensive starting Center, still missing an impactful wing, our PF is young and still growing, and our SG has struggled between injuries and performing (27% 3pt this year). Not to mention injuries across the board with the lineups changing every minute.

Giddey himself is still young and developing, having a career year in this mess but yup let's go trade him before we even start to build something with him

[GoBlue72391]

Based on numerous posts here it's time to fire up the "What teams should we trade Giddey to?" thread. No need to wait. He's on an excellent deal averaging near a trouble double and leads the team in rebounding, assists, and nearly points (career highs too). Players are coming back from injury. It's clear a lot of people don't value Giddey because he's going to prevent the "tank" everyone wants. So just trade him now and get it over with.

I value him a lot, but where is this team going? A team built around him as the top guy is going nowhere, and there's no realistic path to acquire the pieces necessary to bump him down to our #2 or #3 guy.

Blowing the team up and selling high on him doesn't sound as crazy as it did a few weeks ago.

How do we know this when we haven't even put the proper pieces in place to evaluate the team? Not to mention Coby is still seen as the #1 player on the team.

He just got here last year and we only took back what we could for Zach. Still missing the young defensive starting Center, still missing an impactful wing, our PF is young and still growing, and our SG has struggled between injuries and performing (27% 3pt this year). Not to mention injuries across the board with the lineups changing every minute.

Giddey himself is still young and developing, having a career year in this mess but yup let's go trade him before we even start to build something with him

I'm not saying we need to trade him, I'm saying it shouldn't be off the table. Matas too. No one on this team is untouchable.

We always sell low on our players, it would be nice to sell high for once. I bet Giddey on his team friendly contract would get a great haul to start a rebuild with, if we chose to go that direction.

[Ballerkingn23]

I've been a big-time Coby supporter when everyone was saying trade him, but now I'm on the train of just letting him go and rebuilding around Giddy, finding him a backcourt mate. Coby needs the ball in his hands more often than not and now with Giddy on the team that won't happen as much. So before the entire league realizing it and Coby has a decent value we should move off of him. I think although a nice player he's not a great fit with Giddy and Giddy is our future and should be our focus to build around. I would then make whatever deal I could to maximize a return for Coby asap.

[Dez]

I've been a big-time Coby supporter when everyone was saying trade him, but now I'm on the train of just letting him go and rebuilding around Giddy, finding him a backcourt mate. Coby needs the ball in his hands more often than not and now with Giddy on the team that won't happen as much. So before the entire league realizing it and Coby has a decent value we should move off of him. I think although a nice player he's not a great fit with Giddy and Giddy is our future and should be our focus to build around. I would then make whatever deal I could to maximize a return for Coby asap.

He doesn't have decent value.

He's an expiring contract who is going to want to be paid, nobody is giving up anything of value for that. His value was tied to his contract which we lost last deadline, now he's just an expiring chucker that doesn't defend.

[kulaz3000]

I've been a big-time Coby supporter when everyone was saying trade him, but now I'm on the train of just letting him go and rebuilding around Giddy, finding him a backcourt mate. Coby needs the ball in his hands more often than not and now with Giddy on the team that won't happen as much. So before the entire league realizing it and Coby has a decent value we should move off of him. I think although a nice player he's not a great fit with Giddy and Giddy is our future and should be our focus to build around. I would then make whatever deal I could to maximize a return for Coby asap.

I like Josh, but you don't build around him. Despite him being a very important player, he is not the caliber of player, you build your roster around. You definitely find players that can fit with him, but this teams priority must be to find that STAR PLAYER you can truly build around.

We made the same mistake when so much of the teams functionality relied on Lonzo Ball, and despite him not even being the best player on our roster, he was the most important player, and everything fell apart once his injuries derailed his career. Josh is going to be an very important player on our roster, but he is never going to be a player that will be the number player on a meaningful championship contending team.

[WesPeace]

Thats the thing yes, Giddey is good player, but he most likely never can be no.1 star on championship team.. we need legit all star player here, we might have one in Matas,but with Billy D coaching, who knows how he will develop.

Btw.about Wolves, I could see them going after legit PG, not really after Coby.

[Red Larrivee]

Thats the thing yes, Giddey is good player, but he most likely never can be no.1 star on championship team.. we need legit all star player here, we might have one in Matas,but with Billy D coaching, who knows how he will develop.

Btw.about Wolves, I could see them going after legit PG, not really after Coby.

We have to stop using this as reasoning to trade a player.

Giddey is 23 years old. He was the 6th pick in a pretty good draft lottery. He is averaging 20/9/9. There are only 4 players in NBA history who've averaged that during a season. He may never be a #1 option on a championship team, but he's pretty damn good and looks like an all-star. He is making $25M flat for the next 4 years as the cap continues to rise. He will be vastly underpaid.

Matas is unlikely to be a #1 either. Neither of them may ever be #2s. We're talking about a historically small group of players here to ever undeniably reach those levels. Might as well trade both and sell high right?

At some point, you have to build a team and go through the same motions everyone else does. You can't just only decide to build a team when you have prime LeBron or KD. There are only a few players in the league or ever who were unquestionably players who could lead you to a championship. Finding that player would be great, but trading players because they aren't in the 1% of players ever is awful process.

[burlydee]

I'd be fine with trading Giddey too. Talk about trading high.

Yeah, no one on this roster is untouchable and we're almost at the point of just blowing everything up. Trading high (for once) wouldn't be a bad idea.

The Bulls have already blown everything up. They traded Caruso, Derozan, Lavine, Ball. Trading Giddey for a mid 1st pick you hope to use on a player like Giddey makes no sense to me.

[MrSparkle]

I'd be fine with trading Giddey too. Talk about trading high.

Yeah, no one on this roster is untouchable and we're almost at the point of just blowing everything up. Trading high (for once) wouldn't be a bad idea.

The Bulls have already blown everything up. They traded Caruso, Derozan, Lavine, Ball. Trading Giddey for a mid 1st pick you hope to use on a player like Giddey makes no sense to me.

You know, OKC could’ve held Ibaka forever. But they traded him high for Sabonis and Oladipo. They could’ve resigned those two into retirement, but they moved them for Paul George. They could’ve kept trying to compete for that first round but they sold high on him for what’s become one of the most incredible trade returns of all-time.

Point being, you don’t get anywhere by standing pat with 2nd, 3rd or 4th rate players. All that said, I like Giddey and he has moments of Steve Nash, but any good GM would look at this team’s roster and think of every possible way to contend within 3-4 years. Unfortunately the process seems to hoping and praying for miracles.

I wouldn’t give away Giddey. In fact I think it makes sense to see if you can surround him with the right talent to make it appear as if he’s an MVP player. Then I’d consider trading him. But I don’t think any of that will happen, and realistically, I like him but I acknowledge his return wouldn’t be great. Atleast not with this FO making the draft choices.

[League Circles]

I'd be fine with trading Giddey too. Talk about trading high.

Yeah, no one on this roster is untouchable and we're almost at the point of just blowing everything up. Trading high (for once) wouldn't be a bad idea.

The Bulls have already blown everything up. They traded Caruso, Derozan, Lavine, Ball. Trading Giddey for a mid 1st pick you hope to use on a player like Giddey makes no sense to me.

Trading high on Giddey would be like for a top 3 pick. Not saying I think that will happen, but if it's on the table from someone after the season IMO we should consider it.

[greenwing]

I'd be fine with trading Giddey too. Talk about trading high.

Yeah, no one on this roster is untouchable and we're almost at the point of just blowing everything up. Trading high (for once) wouldn't be a bad idea.

Giddey is likely the only untouchable. He plays a difficult position to find a quality player, let alone a star level player at his position. Since he's locked down and is young, if the Bulls do decide to rebuild he should be one of the building blocks.

[League Circles]

I'd be fine with trading Giddey too. Talk about trading high.

Yeah, no one on this roster is untouchable and we're almost at the point of just blowing everything up. Trading high (for once) wouldn't be a bad idea.

Giddey is likely the only untouchable. He plays a difficult position to find a quality player, let alone a star level player at his position. Since he's locked down and is young, if the Bulls do decide to rebuild he should be one of the building blocks.

Nobody in the league is untouchable including Giddey. We're currently rebuilding, and Giddey is the first good piece.

[greenwing]

Yeah, no one on this roster is untouchable and we're almost at the point of just blowing everything up. Trading high (for once) wouldn't be a bad idea.

Giddey is likely the only untouchable. He plays a difficult position to find a quality player, let alone a star level player at his position. Since he's locked down and is young, if the Bulls do decide to rebuild he should be one of the building blocks.

Nobody in the league is untouchable including Giddey. We're currently rebuilding, and Giddey is the first good piece.

I think we will have to disagree. There are absolutely untouchables in this league. Denver isn't trading Jokic, San Antonio isn't trading Wemby, the Lakers aren't trading Luka, OKC isn't trading SGA, etc.

Unless the Bulls are being offered an absolute top tier player (not happening) then Giddey isn't getting traded. I do think Coby could be on his way out due to his contract situation and quesionable fit with Giddey. But if the shoe were on the other foot and it was Coby who was locked down you could certainly see Giddey as the one being traded for value. But the current situation is that he's arguably the most valuable piece on the team at the moment since he's outperforming his contract and is young. You don't trade that type of player. You're better off cleaning the roster and using cap space to improve the roster than trading Giddey to get a pick which may or may not pan out. The Bulls will have to pick a lane come trade deadline. They either act as buyers and make a consolidation trade or they let this current team finish out the season, let a bunch of the expiring deals that haven't been traded run their course and look to build through free agency.

[League Circles]

Giddey is likely the only untouchable. He plays a difficult position to find a quality player, let alone a star level player at his position. Since he's locked down and is young, if the Bulls do decide to rebuild he should be one of the building blocks.

Nobody in the league is untouchable including Giddey. We're currently rebuilding, and Giddey is the first good piece.

I think we will have to disagree. There are absolutely untouchables in this league. Denver isn't trading Jokic, San Antonio isn't trading Wemby, the Lakers aren't trading Luka, OKC isn't trading SGA, etc.

Unless the Bulls are being offered an absolute top tier player (not happening) then Giddey isn't getting traded. I do think Coby could be on his way out due to his contract situation and quesionable fit with Giddey. But if the shoe were on the other foot and it was Coby who was locked down you could certainly see Giddey as the one being traded for value. But the current situation is that he's arguably the most valuable piece on the team at the moment since he's outperforming his contract and is young. You don't trade that type of player. You're better off cleaning the roster and using cap space to improve the roster than trading Giddey to get a pick which may or may not pan out. The Bulls will have to pick a lane come trade deadline. They either act as buyers and make a consolidation trade or they let this current team finish out the season, let a bunch of the expiring deals that haven't been traded run their course and look to build through free agency.

I mean, any of the best players in this league could easily be traded for one of their equivalents plus extra value. Think something like "Wemby++ for Jokic" or vice versa. If you're just saying that those players are unlikely to be traded because a mutually acceptable package is unlikely to be offered, I'd agree. But that sentiment amd reality applies to virtually every player in the league at any given time. That's why they're not being traded.

IMO there hasn't been an untouchable player since Jordan or maybe early peak LeBron.

Giddey isn't arguably the most valuable piece we have - he's easily the most valuable. That's why he might return enough to justify trading.

A top tier star will likely become available, and if they do, a piece like Giddey coming back as potentially the best single piece in a trade package is plausible IMO. Doesn't mean we should do it - the devil is always in the details.

It doesn't make any sense to compare the wisdom of trading players without a clear reference to what would/should be offered. Of course Giddey has more value to us than Coby, but it's entirely tbd if Giddey + Coby trade return would be better for us than Coby + Giddey trade return. It's a half of a conversation without considering the trade return, which is pure speculation in the absence of rumors.

[WesPeace]

Thats the thing yes, Giddey is good player, but he most likely never can be no.1 star on championship team.. we need legit all star player here, we might have one in Matas,but with Billy D coaching, who knows how he will develop.

Btw.about Wolves, I could see them going after legit PG, not really after Coby.

We have to stop using this as reasoning to trade a player.

Giddey is 23 years old. He was the 6th pick in a pretty good draft lottery. He is averaging 20/9/9. There are only 4 players in NBA history who've averaged that during a season. He may never be a #1 option on a championship team, but he's pretty damn good and looks like an all-star. He is making $25M flat for the next 4 years as the cap continues to rise. He will be vastly underpaid.

Matas is unlikely to be a #1 either. Neither of them may ever be #2s. We're talking about a historically small group of players here to ever undeniably reach those levels. Might as well trade both and sell high right?

At some point, you have to build a team and go through the same motions everyone else does. You can't just only decide to build a team when you have prime LeBron or KD. There are only a few players in the league or ever who were unquestionably players who could lead you to a championship. Finding that player would be great, but trading players because they aren't in the 1% of players ever is awful process.

I didnt say to trade Giddey, because he most likely wont be no.1 or cant be.. I'm still on the side that wants White traded for better fit player with Giddey. Someone who needs less shots, is less iso player and much better defender.

Giddey, Matas, Ayo are my 3 guys I wanna keep, others for next season I dont care much. We can rebuild roster totally.

White, Williams, Vucevic and others can go in trades and we build a better fitting roster. My preferences are more defensive SG, defensive C and SF or PF who can play along Matas, someone who can switch to both spots on D and O.