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Post#21 » by Ben » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:31 pm

Jajwanda wrote:You might think I'm retarted for saying this but the player the Bulls could use most right now is Eddy Curry on the cheap.

Maybe a deal like Nocioni plus Duhon for Curry. Think about it this way, Thomas and Noah can make up for his lack of boards and shotblocking while Curry actually gives you the inside threat. All you give up are duplicate players.


That has actually been much-discussed on the Bulls board, with a minority (including me) being in favor of Curry and a majority wanting no part of him at any price.

But if we were to do a deal for him, which has about a zero chance of happening, Wallace would have to be included. He's the guy the Knicks can use next to Randolph and the Bulls want to free up time for their young big men.

Bottom line: not gonna happen.
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Post#22 » by Jajwanda » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:38 pm

I do not have any clue as to how the Bulls can get rid of Ben Wallace, the best scenario I can think of would be Stephon Marbury but is that really what you want.

(P.S. I'm not a Knicks fan)

PG- Hinrich
SG- Second position to fix, still not sure about this one, Sefolosha
SF- Deng
PF- Thomas, Joe Smith
C- Curry, Ben Wallace

You're atleast solid inside, if Thomas develops a mid-range jumper. Deng is Deng, whatever that means I guess. Hinrich is what he's always going to be at point guard, which means you want a ball dominant shooting guard who can play some defense. Since Kobe won't be in the scenario, I'm not sure what

Ben Gordon
Joakim Noah

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Post#23 » by Three34 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:42 pm

Jajwanda wrote:Think about it this way, Thomas and Noah can make up for his lack of boards and shotblocking while Curry actually gives you the inside threat.


They said that about Chandler. Didn't work.
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Post#24 » by dougthonus » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:46 pm

For us: We dump Wallace for an equally crappy player in Hughes, but at least he plays a position that we could use a little help at. We give up a 1st in exchange for Newble's expiring which savesus some money.


The idea of giving up a 1st rounder to dump Wallace for Hughes makes me vomit. Hughes is the SG equivalent to Wallace right now. I would swap the 2 based on our roster, but I wouldn't be giving up picks to do so.
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Post#25 » by Jajwanda » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:01 pm

I don't know about that one. I mean Curry- Chandler atleast brought some respectability to the Bulls frontcourt. From an outside perspective it's so easy to attack the Bulls inside. You have merely putbacks to worry about on offense and on defense it's all about posting up on Ben Wallace to eliminate whatever shot-blocking threat he has left.

By the way remember that when Eddy Curry was playing here, the paint was far more crowded because Chandler is a center and Curry is a center. Neither have an outside game and that hurt the team. While Thomas/Noah are mediocre as far as that goes, they atleast can crash the boards from farther outside rather than having to come inside and bring their defender on Curry.
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Post#26 » by Three34 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:10 pm

Curry and Chandler were an ineffective pairing. There's a reason that they spent all of 2005 (and most of 2003) subbing in for each other - they couldn't play together. It's because you can leave Chandler to defend Curry, negatign any offensive strength, and Eddy's man defense is so bad that Tyson had to do it, taking Tyson away from his strengths of free roaming the glass and help defense.

Neither Tyrus nor Yannick are different enough from Tyson to suddenly change that. Neither is a good shooter yet, Tyrus isn't a perimeter player, Noah never will be, and both are better as help defenders, which they wouldn't be able to then do.
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Post#27 » by Ben » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:23 am

Sham wrote:Curry and Chandler were an ineffective pairing. There's a reason that they spent all of 2005 (and most of 2003) subbing in for each other - they couldn't play together. It's because you can leave Chandler to defend Curry, negatign any offensive strength, and Eddy's man defense is so bad that Tyson had to do it, taking Tyson away from his strengths of free roaming the glass and help defense.


It's amazing how many BULLS fans, let alone other teams' fans, don't remember or otherwise grasp this basic fact.

On a separate note, here's a blurb from the game recap of the Knicks' loss to Toronto, in which Zach Randolph scored 0 points in 10 minutes:

Starting forward Zach Randolph was benched the final 31-plus minutes after appearing to have a dispute with Knicks coach Isiah Thomas. Randolph was yanked 20 seconds after committing an offensive foul with 7:35 remaining in the first half.

Not that the Knicks were doing much with Randolph in there, anyway. They trailed the final 45 1/2 minutes and lost for the ninth time in 10 games, falling to 0-2 on a four-game homestand that Thomas said before the game was important for his last-place team.


Oh yeah, Zach would have worked out reeeeeaaaal well with our coaching staff.

Thomas' offseason acquisition of Randolph has sometimes seemed confusing -- including to Randolph -- because he and center Eddy Curry have rarely looked comfortable with the pairing. That wasn't a problem Friday, because the only place they spent much time together was on the bench.


But one or two of our posters continue to maintain that Zach would have been worth Nocioni and (in effect) Gordon, since we could not have re-signed Gordon and still stayed out of luxury tax territory had we taken on Zach's salary.

Right.

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