For the longest time I have advocated for a change in our PG since neither Hinrich nor Duhon are PLAYMAKERS. neither one can create for themselves or others and both are pretty stupid (Hinrich) or limited (Duhon) defenders ...
I was never a big fan of the Wallace signing, even though initially I was pleasantly surprised Paxson was able to sign him as it was an indication that big name players started to take us serious. But we all know why he did it - simply for the money, not because he wanted to win ... now we are suffering from this misery ...
So here is a suggestion of how to solve our problems:
Trade 1:
Wallace => Lakers for Brown + Radman
This trade has been discussed in several threads before and I don't need to regurgitate its advantages (getting rid of Wallace for an expiring) and disadvantages (Radman's extra year) ...
Trade 2:
Deng + Thomas + Khryapa + Hinrich + Cash/Draft Picks => Memphis for Gasol + Navaro
With Deng and Thomas Memphis gets additional firepower for their new running style. They could either trade Hinrich in the off-season or keep him as a security in case Conley doesn't develop the way they want him to ... If they don't want him, Griffin & Duhon could be used instead and we'd take out the Draft Picks because they get financial relief ...
Our team would get much more balance, better role definition, and could actually become successful.
Sefolosha - Navaro - Duhon
Gordon - Griffin - Curry
Nocioni - Radman - Nichols
Gasol - Smith
Noah - Gray - Brown
In the off-season we might be able to attract a guy like Maggette. But we could go 10 deep with that team. Gordon, Nocioni and Gasol are the scorers in the starting five, Sefolosha and Noah are the defensive specialists. In the second five, all five guys (assuming we'd be able to sign Maggette) could score and would prevent us from going on scoring droughts the way we are currently doing ... not one of the second five is a solid defender but we'd have good outside scoring with Radman & Navaro, solid inside scoring with Smith and Gray, and slashing with Maggette. All of a sudden we'd even be a rather tall team with three seven footers (Gasol, Noah, Gray) and additional size in Radman and Smith who are both 6'10 ... our small back court would also be history ...
The loss of Deng and Thomas might hurt some here, but Deng is not a franchise player because he doesn't show any signs of being willing or capable of taking over a game. Gasol has, can, and will. Gordon becomes a lot more effective with Gasol, too. Thomas has potential - but so far not proven to be anything more than that ... yes, he most likely will become the second coming of Chandler (i.e., blow up once traded) but I believe these two trades give us much more balance in both front and back court as well as offense and defense.
Possible? I'd like to think so ... Probable? Maybe Paxson has some b..lls and realizes what this team really needs ...
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BK72 wrote:For the longest time I have advocated for a change in our PG since neither Hinrich nor Duhon are PLAYMAKERS.
But your trades do not solve this issue.
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maybe these trades don't solve our PG problem on a surface level ...
by getting rid of Hinrich we create room for Sefolosha - we can see right now what that does for the team: better defense, better rebounding, more slashing (even though at this point Thabo is only starting to do it), and less forced defensive rotations to cover for our lack of size. Not once did Hamilton try to take Thabo into the low post tonight, not once!!! as soon as we had our midgets in there, Hamilton and especially Billups went right down low and took advantage ...
Sefolosha is a fairly competent ball handler who broke down the Pistons' defense a few times tonight and a few times last night against the Warriors. With more time and confidence I'm sure he can do a lot more. But this is not a Sefolosha thread ... I don't expect him to score more than 10-12 points with 30-33 minutes a night ...
What these trades do is give Gordon more room to create. I'm not a big Gordon fan because of his inflated ego. But with Nocioni's shooting ability (which extends Deng's) we get better spacing on the floor. Sefolosha can also hit the long jumper as we saw tonight and again, he's got a lot of room for development. With Gasol in the low post, a guy who can actually finish around the rim, the opponent's defense will be more hesitant to rotate and help as much as they currently do and can because our bigs (Wallace) consistently airball layups ... that's a major reason why Gordon can't finish well at the rim - the opposing defenders can over-commit to him because they have to fear very few consequences from the guys they are rotation away from ...
With Navaro and Maggette it would be the other way around! Maggette is the slasher and Navaro the creator and shooter ... Radman would still be the shooter ala Nocioni ... better balance on the floor ...
another opportunity, which would be even better than anything i've suggested so far, and we send Duhon & Griffin to Toronto in the off-season for Calderon (S&T) & Garbajosa. Calderon is a great floor general (far better than Hinrich). Why would Toronto give him up? Because they might not be willing/able to pay him big bucks. The Raptors liked Duhon enough three years ago to sign him to an offer sheet. He'd be ideal for them as a back up PG. Griffin is just a salary to them that expires at the end of the year ... With Calderon and Garbajosa, Gasol would have all his Spanish buddies around him, making him feel really great, i.e., productive. The same could be said about Nocioni who all of a sudden would have four guys on the team who he could speak to in his native language ... he could then become what he is not able to do right now because of the language barrier - be the true captain and leader of this team. With his toughness and skills he'd be the ideal person to run this team by example! it'd be fun to watch!!!! I'm sure!!!
by getting rid of Hinrich we create room for Sefolosha - we can see right now what that does for the team: better defense, better rebounding, more slashing (even though at this point Thabo is only starting to do it), and less forced defensive rotations to cover for our lack of size. Not once did Hamilton try to take Thabo into the low post tonight, not once!!! as soon as we had our midgets in there, Hamilton and especially Billups went right down low and took advantage ...
Sefolosha is a fairly competent ball handler who broke down the Pistons' defense a few times tonight and a few times last night against the Warriors. With more time and confidence I'm sure he can do a lot more. But this is not a Sefolosha thread ... I don't expect him to score more than 10-12 points with 30-33 minutes a night ...
What these trades do is give Gordon more room to create. I'm not a big Gordon fan because of his inflated ego. But with Nocioni's shooting ability (which extends Deng's) we get better spacing on the floor. Sefolosha can also hit the long jumper as we saw tonight and again, he's got a lot of room for development. With Gasol in the low post, a guy who can actually finish around the rim, the opponent's defense will be more hesitant to rotate and help as much as they currently do and can because our bigs (Wallace) consistently airball layups ... that's a major reason why Gordon can't finish well at the rim - the opposing defenders can over-commit to him because they have to fear very few consequences from the guys they are rotation away from ...
With Navaro and Maggette it would be the other way around! Maggette is the slasher and Navaro the creator and shooter ... Radman would still be the shooter ala Nocioni ... better balance on the floor ...
another opportunity, which would be even better than anything i've suggested so far, and we send Duhon & Griffin to Toronto in the off-season for Calderon (S&T) & Garbajosa. Calderon is a great floor general (far better than Hinrich). Why would Toronto give him up? Because they might not be willing/able to pay him big bucks. The Raptors liked Duhon enough three years ago to sign him to an offer sheet. He'd be ideal for them as a back up PG. Griffin is just a salary to them that expires at the end of the year ... With Calderon and Garbajosa, Gasol would have all his Spanish buddies around him, making him feel really great, i.e., productive. The same could be said about Nocioni who all of a sudden would have four guys on the team who he could speak to in his native language ... he could then become what he is not able to do right now because of the language barrier - be the true captain and leader of this team. With his toughness and skills he'd be the ideal person to run this team by example! it'd be fun to watch!!!! I'm sure!!!
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[quote="girlygirl"]Yeah Navarro is a shooting guard, along theb line of Ben Gordon (although he's a decent ballhandler) and we still have no idea if Sefolosha can be a point guard
Besides Memphis doesn't need Hinrich...Conley is playing very well and they have Lowry to back him up[/quote]
you are probably right with your statement that Hinrich would be surplus in Memphis. As I stated, they might trade him in the off season to a team that needs a player like Hinrich (Miami???) or we keep Hinrich and include something else (cash + other smaller parts). I wouldn't be totally opposed to keeping Hinrich but he's not a player who should be a leader or central player of a team that wants to win a championship. He neither has the physical or mental tools for that. His defense is totally over-rated, he gets no respect from the refs on top of that, his shot selection is often questionable, and his shot isn't that good to begin with ... he might be a decent second-tier player, but not more ... at least not in my opinion, which accounts for nothing, i'm fully aware of that ...
we have a better idea now who Deng is - he's not a guy to build a team around (as some might have thought last year). last year i liked him and was happy to have him on the team. This year he just p...es me off more often than not because he's mostly a heartless jump shooter with quite mediocre defensive skills. he's never going to be a guy who i'd want to have the ball in his hands with the game on the line because i'd think he'd choke because he's afraid of the responsibility ...
Thomas, yes, i'd be pretty upset to give him up because the kid has great potential. but first of all, you'd have to give something to get something and it seems as if he's never going to get a chance in Chicago. he just doesn't fit here, or at least, that's what this organization seems to think ... i don't know. he played very good defense today again Prince. Yet, instead of using him at the PF spot and putting Nocioni into the SF spot (which would have worked very well today) this idiot who is currently the head coach of the Bulls used Duhon for extended stretches and put Sefolosha at SF, making this team small and defensively vulnerable ... that was the stretch when the Pistons make a big come back ... surprise, surprise. Gordon found himself constantly in the low post against Billups and Duhon was running around like a chicken with its head cut off trying to recover on shooters while Nocioni got overpowered by Maxiell in the rebounding wars ... it was absolutely ridiculous!!! so, if this player is ever to get a chance to develop, it won't be in Chicago. he's just too raw. In Memphis he might actually fulfill his potential because they don't have the pressure/expectation to win a championship any time soon. Chicago wanted to make a push this & next year, i.e., the Wallace and Smith signings ...
Besides Memphis doesn't need Hinrich...Conley is playing very well and they have Lowry to back him up[/quote]
you are probably right with your statement that Hinrich would be surplus in Memphis. As I stated, they might trade him in the off season to a team that needs a player like Hinrich (Miami???) or we keep Hinrich and include something else (cash + other smaller parts). I wouldn't be totally opposed to keeping Hinrich but he's not a player who should be a leader or central player of a team that wants to win a championship. He neither has the physical or mental tools for that. His defense is totally over-rated, he gets no respect from the refs on top of that, his shot selection is often questionable, and his shot isn't that good to begin with ... he might be a decent second-tier player, but not more ... at least not in my opinion, which accounts for nothing, i'm fully aware of that ...
we have a better idea now who Deng is - he's not a guy to build a team around (as some might have thought last year). last year i liked him and was happy to have him on the team. This year he just p...es me off more often than not because he's mostly a heartless jump shooter with quite mediocre defensive skills. he's never going to be a guy who i'd want to have the ball in his hands with the game on the line because i'd think he'd choke because he's afraid of the responsibility ...
Thomas, yes, i'd be pretty upset to give him up because the kid has great potential. but first of all, you'd have to give something to get something and it seems as if he's never going to get a chance in Chicago. he just doesn't fit here, or at least, that's what this organization seems to think ... i don't know. he played very good defense today again Prince. Yet, instead of using him at the PF spot and putting Nocioni into the SF spot (which would have worked very well today) this idiot who is currently the head coach of the Bulls used Duhon for extended stretches and put Sefolosha at SF, making this team small and defensively vulnerable ... that was the stretch when the Pistons make a big come back ... surprise, surprise. Gordon found himself constantly in the low post against Billups and Duhon was running around like a chicken with its head cut off trying to recover on shooters while Nocioni got overpowered by Maxiell in the rebounding wars ... it was absolutely ridiculous!!! so, if this player is ever to get a chance to develop, it won't be in Chicago. he's just too raw. In Memphis he might actually fulfill his potential because they don't have the pressure/expectation to win a championship any time soon. Chicago wanted to make a push this & next year, i.e., the Wallace and Smith signings ...
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[quote="step"][quote]Duhon & Griffin to Toronto in the off-season for Calderon (S&T) & Garbajosa.[/quote]We would have to give them far more than that to get it done, Garbajosa alone is worth more than what you offered.[/quote]
quite possible, but it could be a starting point ... taking out Garbajosa could be taken out and signed the following off-season after his contract with Toronto has expired ...
Duhon + Griffin + Cash + Draft Picks => Calderon ... ??? Better???
quite possible, but it could be a starting point ... taking out Garbajosa could be taken out and signed the following off-season after his contract with Toronto has expired ...
Duhon + Griffin + Cash + Draft Picks => Calderon ... ??? Better???
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Not a chance, Calderon isn't some scrub.Duhon + Griffin + Cash + Draft Picks => Calderon ... ??? Better???
That would actually be what I'd base the trade around, Calderon + filler for Hinrich + filler.Before you sign Calderon (who I am hesitant about in this offense), you have to get rid of Kirk.
The Raptors looked and played much better with TJ Ford, the big issue is does the team want to risk it and stick with him or Calderon. Now if they did stick with Ford, having someone like Hinrich being able to fill the shoes when Ford's injured would be quite useful. That being said it's just a guessing game right now...
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I agree that Memphis & Lakers are our 2 most likely trading partners - but there is no reason to "overpay" for Gasol, whose value is not too high right now,
Memphis has absolutely no need for Hinrich - or Wallace for that matter. A trade would have to revolve about Deng & Thomas or Nocioni & Thomas
Memphis has absolutely no need for Hinrich - or Wallace for that matter. A trade would have to revolve about Deng & Thomas or Nocioni & Thomas
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