Wallace Rebounding Numbers so far

AirP. · Post #1 » by **AirP.** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:33 pm

He's here for defense and rebounding only, we play 4 on 5 on offense just to get him in the lineup, it's starting to really bother me as a fan.

The league average is 5.9 rebounds per game for centers

Ben Wallace in 39 games for the Bulls, Wallace has had 11 games of 5 or less rebounds, that's 28% of his games he rebounds LESS then the league average... all this while getting bigtime minutes each game and hurting our offense. He's had double digit rebounds 18 times this year for nice 48% of the time.

I really thought Wallace would be a huge help for our young bigs, at this point I think he's hurting them more then helping them by his lack of hustle yet still gets minutes when our talented young guys can't even sniff the floor.

And Paxson didn't even try to cover for him today when talking, he just said he did a good job in the Miami series last year.

I'm just getting so fustrated with this team, if Wallace got hurt I'm pretty sure this team would play better and win more often.

airjordanair · Post #2 » by **airjordanair** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:17 pm

boylan should bench him or bring him off the bench until he wants to play again

Grand Champ · Post #3 » by **Grand Champ** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:21 pm

Yes, we all know he sucks and we aren't even getting paid to realize this... FIRE BOYLAN!

ptpablo · Post #4 » by **ptpablo** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:26 pm

I feel you brother. I am calling it "Big Ben Goggles" from now on.

Grand Champ · Post #5 » by **Grand Champ** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:27 pm

ptpablo wrote:I feel you brother. I am calling it "Big Ben Goggles" from now on.

If that doesn't call for a photoshop, i don't know what does! :nod:

kyrv · Post #6 » by **kyrv** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:30 pm

Grand.Champ wrote:Yes, we all know he sucks and we aren't even getting paid to realize this... FIRE BOYLAN!

Well let's look at this logically. Boylan has said he is auditioning, he doesn't care about the Bulls future.

Meaning, he doesn't care about next year's team chemistry or Wallace's contract.

So, he wants to just win as many games as possible, not caring about feelings or developing or contracts.

Then he starts and plays Wallace?

Goes back to your last comment - FIRE BOYLAN.

Future Coach · Post #7 » by **Future Coach** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:07 pm

He does have the look of an old veteran out there at times, making one quick effort then taking the rest of the play off. That's okay for some teams, but not one who's last 2 draft picks have been big men.

But as kyrv has brought up, Boylan is auditioning. He has been an assistant for a good while now and he has finally been given his chance. No surprise he is taking the safe bet and playing the player with a championship ring and defensive player of the year awards. Boylan has done everything to be expected of a former top assistant of a very conservative coach. Boylan was not hired to really shake things up, he was hired because pax was out of other options and I'm guessing reinsdorf wasn't willing to pay too much (no surprise here either). And pax will not fire boylan. If Boylan is fired it will likely be along with pax in the off season. It's up to pax to really shake things up, and really the only way he can do that this season is with a trade.

And if we are not seriously contending it seems logical to try to start with wallace, and likely one of the 2 restricted free agents.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #8 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:11 pm

Future Coach wrote:And pax will not fire boylan. If Boylan is fired it will likely be along with pax in the off season.

Huh? Pax won't fire Boylan? Why?

He fired Skiles without any remorse, do you think he is somehow beholden to Skiles flunkie?

There is n way that Reinsdorf is giving Pax his walking papers anytime soon - and I think it is a virtual certainty that Boylan will be gone when the season ends.

I'm curious what your reasoning is for your above statement.

transplant · Post #9 » by **transplant** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:35 pm

Well, when Wallace plays starter's minutes (30+) he usually gets his 10 boards. He has played some great defense this season, but like most of the team, he hasn't done it consistently. He leads all centers in steals/game and is above average in blocks and assists.

If you could look past his shooting/scoring, big contract and the fact that he's in the way of Noah getting more minutes, Wallace would be OK.

But you can't look past these. His shooting/scoring, never a strong point, has become historically bad. I don't begrudge anyone from making as much as he can, but his contract puts a target on his back with many fans.

The real problem for me is that while Noah's playing better than Wallace, he's not playing as much as Wallace. That's not Wallace's fault, of course.

I don't hate Wallace and I won't call him names. I just want to see less of him.

Post #10 » by **emperorjones** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:40 pm

Funny thing is, I bet his numbers go back to where they were as a Piston if he gets traded to a contender

JGeils · Post #11 » by **JGeils** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:03 pm

I don't think it's Wallace's fault. He's shot, and small, and he's 33.

For him to only be bringing in 15 percent of available rebounds (that's his rebound rate, right in line with Tyrus, and Brad Miller) makes sense to me.

Future Coach · Post #12 » by **Future Coach** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:42 am

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Huh? Pax won't fire Boylan? Why?

He fired Skiles without any remorse, do you think he is somehow beholden to Skiles flunkie?

There is n way that Reinsdorf is giving Pax his walking papers anytime soon - and I think it is a virtual certainty that Boylan will be gone when the season ends.

I'm curious what your reasoning is for your above statement.

I don't think pax will fire 2 head coaches in the middle of 1 season. It was pax's call to put Boylan in charge. He certainly could have waited longer than he did and stayed with an interim head coach, or even make Boylan the interim head coach until a new head coach is officially signed. Instead Pax just decided to turn the team over to Boylan. Whether or not there were other potential coaches applying for the job is one thing, but regardless Paxson settled on Boylan and did so rather quickly. I think when the season ends it is a whole new game and hopefully boylan won't be around. But for the rest of this season my logic is that Pax already had the opportunity to go in another direction for a coach but instead selected Boylan. If somehow Boylan is fired this season than it has to be pax or a current bulls assistant who takes over for the remainder of the season. Why would reinsdorf be willing to fire and hire coaches so willingly at pax's discretion when traditional common sense would indicate that the person choosing the coaches who continually get hired/fired should be replaced. It was pax's judgment to give the team to Boylan. If Boylan is the wrong person for the job (which he is) than it is an indication of faulty judgment by pax.

I do not anticipate paxson being fired though given reinsdorf's track record with gm and I do not anticipate Boylan being fired considering I can't remember the last time a team fired 2 head coaches in one season (it's a joke of a situation).

Post #13 » by **dougthonus** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:58 am

I also don't think Paxson will fire Boylan. He should be giving Boylan playing time ultimatums under the threat of firing him though.

Neusch23 · Post #14 » by **Neusch23** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:07 am

dougthonus wrote:I also don't think Paxson will fire Boylan. He should be giving Boylan playing time ultimatums under the threat of firing him though.

Yup, that makes for a great working relationship...I am sure that Boylan will treasure his opportunity to finally be the one in charge of how a team plays, and will love NOT having the freedom to make decisions on the court.

While they can sit down and agree on a shared direction for the team, (like we are going to show case Ben Wallace to trade him) or (we have to get said rookie a bit more floor time when you see the situation as right)

Interim or not, the coach has to be able to control the who, what, when, and why on the court. If the GM attaches puppet strings to him, then whats the point of the coach?