If we don't get it together...

vvgotgame19 · Post #1 » by **vvgotgame19** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:04 pm

What do we do?

1) Fire Thibs? I'd rather not. He can be rather stubborn, but he's still a top coach. Chances are we won't find a better replacement, and then there's the fact that he would find another job. Last thing we need with all the rising competition is to throw a top coach out there.

2) Make moves around the deadline? We certainly could, but our best trade bait are our bigs, who are often injured. We could try to package Dunleavy, Snell and/or picks for an upgrade at wing, but how much of an upgrade could that possibly get us?

3) Keep things the way they are, hope they get healthy and figure it out. They could certainly do this and be fine, but even if everyone is healthy and playing well we still have a few flaws in the roster.

4) Or do we scrap this squad and do a mini rebuild? I know it sounds disgusting. Let's face it tho, we are an old, slow, unathletic team, but we have some good young pieces we can build around in a hurry. If you look around the league it is evolving. 3pt shooting, athleticism and the ability to guard multiple positions are more prominent than ever. Our older/injured guys lack all of that. However, Luckily for us we already have a lot of that waiting in the wings (McD, Butler, Mirotic). Would we be wise to go out with the old and hand the keys over to the new? We may have to take a step back while guys develop before we can take 2 steps forward.

Chances are we'll be going with #3, which is fine by me. I still think if they get healthy and their act together we are the team to beat in the east. With that said, I lose faith every single game. If and when we get bounced in the playoffs, I think we should strongly consider #4. Revamp the team around Rose, Butler, Dougie and Niko with a fast paced, 3pt shooting, active defense in mind. Playing with Gasol is hurting Rose IMO. To optimize Rose (and Butler for that matter), we need to play at a much faster pace. Those guys need to be surrounded by guys that will get out and run shooters, not guys that clog the paint and slow us down. It would hurt in the short term no doubt, but Miro and McD are high IQ guys that if aren't always looking over their shoulders will figure it out.

ingvald · Post #2 » by **ingvald** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:50 pm

I'd vote for #3. Package Taj (or Noah) and their pick(s) to move up and draft a center. Re-sign Jimmy, Dunleavy walks, roll next year with Rose, Butler, McDermott, Niko, Pau, Noah (or Taj), and Cauley-Stein.

WindyCityBorn · Post #3 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:57 pm

#3.

One average player won't fix this thing if the Bulls are still floundering at the deadline.

vvgotgame19 · Post #4 » by **vvgotgame19** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:48 pm

ingvald wrote:I'd vote for #3. Package Taj (or Noah) and their pick(s) to move up and draft a center. Re-sign Jimmy, Dunleavy walks, roll next year with Rose, Butler, McDermott, Niko, Pau, Noah (or Taj), and Cauley-Stein.

A center like Nurkic would be nice :roll:

Edit: Tho I will say if Doug pans out the way he's supposed to he's a hell of a fit next to Jimmy and Rose. The 2 best teams right now (Atl, GS) are showing us the type of impact having deadly shooters can have. Theoretically we should have 2 (Doug & Niko)

kodo · Post #5 » by **kodo** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:06 pm

vvgotgame19 wrote:If and when we get bounced in the playoffs, I think we should strongly consider #4. Revamp the team around Rose, Butler, Dougie and Niko with a fast paced, 3pt shooting, active defense in mind. Playing with Gasol is hurting Rose IMO. To optimize Rose (and Butler for that matter), we need to play at a much faster pace. Those guys need to be surrounded by guys that will get out and run shooters, not guys that clog the paint and slow us down.

Then you want #1, Fire Thibs.

You want us to play at a fast pace which means putting up a lot shots, including some bad ones. Thibs wants the team to play at the slowest pace of the league and focus on good shots & defensive grind.

You want to shoot more 3s, Thibs wants to start everything in the post. He's said inside-out basketball for 4 years now.

You want guys to run out at shooters and get out of the paint, Thibs has always told the team to protect the basket and concede mid range & long 2's.

The kind of team you are talking about, which is similar to Golden State, is the exact opposite the kind of style Thibs preaches. The exact opposite of the Boston championship team or the Jeff van Gundy Knicks, where Thibs did most of his notable work in coaching.

Mech Engineer · Post #6 » by **Mech Engineer** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:17 pm

Relying on McDermott and Mirotic as top options means the Bulls are long, long aways from winning. It is not just bumslaying but also beating elite teams in multiple rounds.

If the ceiling of this team whether slow or fast pace is second round, break it up for the younger guys. Otherwise, just because of some unfortunate injuries or slumps, don't be in a hurry to just measure upto some team's 3 pt prowess or something else.

Do what Boston did....they milked Garnett, Pierce as long as they can. Contending teams sometimes go out early in the playoffs because of a bad match-up and they need to tweak rather than fold.

High level · Post #7 » by **High level** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:39 pm

I say package Gibson and Noah for some actual talent that butler gasol and rose can build off of

WIN · Post #8 » by **WIN** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:55 pm

High level wrote:I say package Gibson and Noah for some actual talent that butler gasol and rose can build off of

And last year, I'm sure your comment would've been "I say package butler and rose for some actual talent we can build off of"

It's a rough stretch, no need to make knee jerk moves, Gibson and Noah have proven their worth to this team; they'll turn things around (Noah might not this year if he's not healthy, but when healthy he's a great fit on any team).

Repeat 3-peat · Post #9 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:09 pm

This team is fine.

This is just a little rough stretch. You fans put so much expectations for this team that you think after a few tough losses that it's time to blow it up and start from scratch.

musiqsoulchild · Post #10 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:24 pm

Way too early.

And even if such a thing were to come to pass, our FO will stay the course.

bullsRlife · Post #11 » by **bullsRlife** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:26 pm

We need to get more athletic all around. Noah isn't the same, may never be, and Taj is getting up there too. If you give Thibs some young and fresh athletic bigs, our defense will be back to where it was.

Pau is crippling our teams defense. Noah needs to find the fountain of youth, and Taj needs to be Taj again.

Post #12 » by **Payt10** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:34 pm

They need to make some trades before the deadline first before firing the coach. As much as I can't stand Thibodeau, firing him now would be a cheap move when the players and front office share a lot of this blame, too.

vvgotgame19 · Post #13 » by **vvgotgame19** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:38 pm

kodo wrote:
vvgotgame19 wrote:If and when we get bounced in the playoffs, I think we should strongly consider #4. Revamp the team around Rose, Butler, Dougie and Niko with a fast paced, 3pt shooting, active defense in mind. Playing with Gasol is hurting Rose IMO. To optimize Rose (and Butler for that matter), we need to play at a much faster pace. Those guys need to be surrounded by guys that will get out and run shooters, not guys that clog the paint and slow us down.

Then you want #1, Fire Thibs.

You want us to play at a fast pace which means putting up a lot shots, including some bad ones. Thibs wants the team to play at the slowest pace of the league and focus on good shots & defensive grind.

You want to shoot more 3s, Thibs wants to start everything in the post. He's said inside-out basketball for 4 years now.

You want guys to run out at shooters and get out of the paint, Thibs has always told the team to protect the basket and concede mid range & long 2's.

The kind of team you are talking about, which is similar to Golden State, is the exact opposite the kind of style Thibs preaches. The exact opposite of the Boston championship team or the Jeff van Gundy Knicks, where Thibs did most of his notable work in coaching.

No not nescessarily. As stubborn as Thibs can be at times, he has shown the ability to adjust to the personnel. Thibs himself has talked about pushing the pace and getting easy buckets, granted it was about getting stops first. We don't have the roster to get out and run all the time right now and we are an older team, so yea the pace is going to be slow. The only thing I think he is set on is defense wins ball games. Golden State shows it's possible to be a fast paced defensive team. Miami the past few years as well. The NBA is evolving, and I think Thibs is smart enough to evolve with it. If he doesn't, then yea I guess I would want #1 because clearly he would not be an elite coach.

musiqsoulchild · Post #14 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:44 pm

Payt10 wrote:They need to make some trades before the deadline first before firing the coach. As much as I can't stand Thibodeau, firing him now would be a cheap move when the players and front office share a lot of this blame, too.

Lets fire everybody, Pay10.

Who's gonna do the firing?

nrockwaychicago · Post #15 » by **nrockwaychicago** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:56 pm

Sports fans are fickle. That goes double for Chicago fans. Fire Thibs? Trade Noah?

Get real. This team could stand to consolidate its talent a bit. I'm not opposed to trading for a wing if the opportunity arises.

The players aren't on the same page, that's what needs to change. And it will. Come postseason, this team will be a serious threat. I still think we're the best team in the east.

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Alswank87 · Post #16 » by **Alswank87** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:57 pm

I gotta go with three. The team meeting that they had in lieu of practice gives me hope. I think a big part of this teams struggles was fatigue. The players vocalized that to thibs and I think he will start giving the players a rest. I doubt well see it in the games, but he will start to give the players a day off here and there to let them rest. If he doesn't, then he needs to gtfo cuz he will never get it.