Why are the Bulls losing? Your take.

[kyrv]

I'd really like to see the quote where he said that it was all on him.

And, if he did, what does it say about his complete inability to have learned ANYTHING from it? 33 shots in a game, as many - sometimes more - TOs than assists is just plain ignorant, even if he truly believes that is what he needs to do.

The fact that you aren't aware of that quote, when it is QUITE LITERALLY among the most well known things about Derrick Rose (that he took almost COMPLETE responsibility for 2011, even though he wasn't alone), says alot. Actually it says more than you probably want it to say.

It might do you some good to study Derrick Rose's history a little more before you talk about his unwillingness to take responsibility, since that's all he's done almost the entire length of his career.

For the trolls benefit:

A disappointed Rose blamed himself for Chicago's collapse.
"Everything is on me. Turnovers, missed shots, fouls," he said.
The crushing loss and ending left Rose looking forward to next season.
"I'm going to get better. I'm not worried about that," he said."If anything, this is going to make me hungry."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/b ... five_N.htm

There's countless other quotes too over the years. This is why we love the guy.

Thanks. I just wish that Rose still existed. This really illustrates how much he has changed, thanks again for the nostalgia trip.

[kyrv]

These are all pretty funny for more than one reason.

The first two can be accurately described as getting personal in a way that, if I were to have posted them, would have gotten a warning or a ban.

Also, they contain no logic or accuracy whatsoever. I said that if Rose did say it was all his fault, then he has learned NOTHING and has not changed AT ALL, and that IS a fact. A 2011 quote saying that he is going to get better. Well, he hasn't gotten a bit better in his bball IQ concerning shooting too many 3s, being a TO machine and not being close to a top 10 defensive PG.

The fact that I'm not a blind ignorant Rose lover does not make me a troll, especially since I watched almost every Bulls game televised with Jerry Sloan and his long time PG sidekick Norm VanLier, who although not nearly as physically gifted as Rose, was a guy who knew how to play PG and, like Sloan, was a tough as nails defender.

Finally, it doesn't matter what "I hope" about Butler. There is nothing that Rose has done this year that puts him close to being better than Butler or, for that matter, Gasol.

The ideal stat line average for Rose to "lead" this team to even an EC Finals would be 20 PPG on 15 SPG with a .460 shooting percentage and 9 assists to 3 TOs while giving an all out effort 90% of the time on D.

You do realize he did get a lot better the following season right? He was having a better year than his MVP years when it came to running the team. His numbers weren't as good but he was a better player overall. If he hadn't gone down with the ACL, no one was stopping that bulls team that year. They were on a mission to kill everyone.

But being out 2.5 years doesn't help. In the offseason everyone said to give rose a full year to get better and that he should return to his old self by 2015-16. But now those same fans have turned on him and said he is done. It is embarrassing really. There is no reason to think he wont improve after this season. Dude is only 26 and entering his physical and athletic prime.

Everyone didn't say that though. That's only recently when we started pretending that happened.

[bullboy18]

Everyone didn't say that though. That's only recently when we started pretending that happened.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY4PbwLnpJw[/youtube]

[chrispatrick]

Secondly, Rose is no longer the best player on the team and almost certainly will not be again. Butler is not only a more productive scorer but, even if his D is not what it was last year - and it isn't - it is better, by far, than Derrick's.

Also, you had better HOPE that you are wrong. Jimmy Butler, for all of his gifts and talent, is not a superstar. He just isn't. He's a very good player and an all-star. But he's not a "my team needs 45 points, so I'm going to go get it" kind of guy. More often than not, you need one of those guys on your team, usually at some point or another, along the way, to win a title. And before you say it, we aren't the spurs. We don't play basketball like them. We are much more traditional (read: predictable) in our offensive sets, which means that we are going to have to "out-talent" our opponenets on the offensive end. Because we won't out "scheme" them.

What does that mean? We need a player BETTER than Jimmy Butler, as a #1 option to win a title. You'd better hope that Rose can return to somewhere in the vicinity of his 2011-2012 self, or else, we are treading water until 2017.

I understand the point being made here, it's just Jimmy is so much closer to being a "my team needs 45 points, so I'm going to get it" than Rose. Rose would take 55 shots to get his 45 points while Jimmy would probably barrel his way to the free throw line 25 times. (I'm exaggerating... kind of). The point is neither of them are that guy, but there's no way Derrick is closer to being that guy than Jimmy.

You can't be the kind of guy who gets 45 without being a.) a great shooter or b.) having the ability to draw fouls. Derrick is not those things and I do not ever think he should be or even try to be a volume scorer again unless he somehow gains the ability to do one of those things. I see that being no more likely than Jimmy taking another leap, though I don't think there's a realistic chance of either happening.

So yeah, you're correct in saying he should "hope" he's wrong. But he isn't. You're correct too in that Jimmy is an all-star, not a superstar... but Derrick would have to make some miraculous gains to get back to that level as I currently ponder who is better between Aaron Brooks and Derrick Rose.