qianlong wrote:Ralphb07 wrote:qianlong wrote:Honestly, I don't give a s%&t about what fred wants. He may be good but he is not a proven coach, and i don't want the bulls to make moves depending on their best friend opionions. Gasol has to go this summer, he is a good player on a good contract, but he is old and wants to be in a contender, move him for younger ones. You can see it as a retool if you want, but he has to go. I wanted him in previous seasons, and i was contrary this summer, but with a core of Jimmy, Niko, and maybe Snell and McD he doesn't fit.
Is Rose not here next yr? Regardless of what people feel, Rose will be here and as he showed this year, with him here we're a top team in the east.
The reason I say this is because the next two years the Bulls will hope that Rose plays and if does knows they're up there for title talk. With that said They won't blow it up.
In regards to Hoiberg he isn't nor will any good coach come here if we go all Jerry Krause. We see how long that took. People rag on Floyd bur look at the players he had, they were garbage. Me I think at least one of Noah or Gasol need to stay. Pau is on such a good deal that he can be our 3rd big when Nikola is ready and Pau is very gifted offensively. I see Rose, Butler and Gasol pretty safe
I love derrick and i hope he fully recovers, but with the current state i wouldn't count on him. I hope he recovers, and stays with the team even after this contract, but planning the future with him as a cornerstone is not responsible.
As for hoiberg and krause i don't get the link. You sign a good established coach, or keep thibs, and you probably attract good players. You don't attract good players by signing your buddy. He may be a good coach, i'm not discussing that, but you shouldn't be making player decisions based on the desries of an unproven coach.
Also i'm not suggesting going full rebuild, but i suggest to keep our younger player, try to get some additional ones and move on. Gasol doesn't match that scenario and probably neither Taj or Noah, but between the three the first to go should be Gasol. He has more value and could net a better player in return.
Thibs has not attracted players at all. Let's throw Hoiberg name out, forget him. No good coach is coming here if we lose Noah, Gasol and Gibson. Unless those three equal getting a super star. You rebuild and you get VDN guys or retread coaches who aren't good.
Now to Hoiberg. He isn't just some buddy of gar's so he's getting a job. GS wanted him, he wouldn't speak to them, Minny wanted him and he didn't speak to them. He is a highly sought out guy in NBA circles. It's the fact that he has strong ties with Gar that our job as it stands would interest him. So this notion of us doing Hoiberg a favor just needs to stop.
My point is that as long as Derrick is here you can't strip the team. Also if you want to bring in a good coach, a complete makeover isn't smart.
Now if the Bulls moved Gasol next year and kept Noah, Nikola and Gibson, they'd be attractive. I'm not saying don't make moves, I'm saying to make them. What I'm saying is out of Gasol, Noah and Gibson you keep the best one. To me that's Gasol, to the Bulls maybe it's not.
If Thibs is gone this summer which I expect, the new coach is going to be on board with Snell, Doug and Nikola being pieces to Rose, Butler and the bigs we keep. So the rebuild is somewhat there, it's just the guys are on the team and havent played significant roles. Snell Doug and Nikola are all under 25. We have either 1 or 2 picks this summer and means to move up in this draft.
The Bulls are just some what ahead of it with Nikola and Snell getting some burn now. If Course It Would Be Better For Doug to get burn but that isn't happening.
The Bulls need to determine which bigs to keep. 1-2 should go and at least keep one of our C
