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Should GarPax be taken to task for not making a move during trading season?

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Re: Should GarPax be taken to task for not making a move during trading season? 

Post#61 » by DanTown8587 » Sun Mar 1, 2015 10:11 pm

The Bulls will absolutely struggle to win titles paying Gasol or Noah, Gibson, and Mirotic MLE+ money to play minutes at the 4 spot almost exclusively, especially once they start paying Jimmy his max money next year. The Bulls are paying Gibson AND Gasol both money equal to be a 30 minute starting PF and they're paying Mirotic enough money to be a very good PF off the bench. Gasol has some overlap at the C spot but Taj and Niko are both drastically better at the 4 than their secondary positions (Niko the 3, Taj the 5). This is an issue that today's game didn't really impact but still shows how it exists.

The problem with most of this roster is that guys like Mirotic ONLY get chances during injuries and that if the team is fully healthy, I'm not sure how much of an overall difference Gibson makes over Mirotic (while Gibson is a better defender, Niko's quicker to loose balls + a massively better offensive option) while Gibson is taking up 15% of the salary cap and the Bulls have a wing rotation even when healthy that calls on Hinrich/Brooks/Snell/McDermott to play 50 minutes.

This problem existed in the summer and I was hoping for a trade all year to balance the roster's salary and talent: a third wing making Gibson's money solves many problems balancing this roster in the future. While some are going to say "but the defense if Taj leaves" misses the point that Gibson isn't the impact defender he once was now that he's older and plays more minutes. It's a damn shame.
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Re: Should GarPax be taken to task for not making a move during trading season? 

Post#62 » by logical_art » Mon Mar 2, 2015 12:54 am

Just saw on the GB that 15 or so PG changed teams at the break. Many of those were better than Kirk or Brooks. Would have been nice to have seen Garpax take advantage.
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Re: Should GarPax be taken to task for not making a move during trading season? 

Post#63 » by BoocheeMan1117 » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:19 am

logical_art wrote:Just saw on the GB that 15 or so PG changed teams at the break. Many of those were better than Kirk or Brooks. Would have been nice to have seen Garpax take advantage.


We were expecting Rose to play 30 min per game. Hindsight is 20/20
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Re: Should GarPax be taken to task for not making a move during trading season? 

Post#64 » by errisal » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:31 am

BoocheeMan1117 wrote:
logical_art wrote:Just saw on the GB that 15 or so PG changed teams at the break. Many of those were better than Kirk or Brooks. Would have been nice to have seen Garpax take advantage.


We were expecting Rose to play 30 min per game. Hindsight is 20/20


Hindsight may be 20/20 but injury history is well known and Brooks performance throughout the month of January and early February told you all you needed to know. Kirks' play all season long dictated that a more capable 3rd PG was needed.
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Re: Should GarPax be taken to task for not making a move during trading season? 

Post#65 » by logical_art » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:46 am

BoocheeMan1117 wrote:
logical_art wrote:Just saw on the GB that 15 or so PG changed teams at the break. Many of those were better than Kirk or Brooks. Would have been nice to have seen Garpax take advantage.


We were expecting Rose to play 30 min per game. Hindsight is 20/20


They were apparently aware of an issue with Rose's knee. Also counting on Rose to stay healthy is shortsighted.
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Re: Should GarPax be taken to task for not making a move during trading season? 

Post#66 » by errisal » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:59 am

We all know Thibs mantra that the Bulls have enough to win. Well seeing as that theory is being put to the test with the rash of injuries and guys like Mike, Brooks and Kirk unable to step it up to the next level. Will Gar go out and finally make a move on the roster. A coupe of days ago after the Rose injury he said the team would stand pat with the roster. Well, seems the roster isn't good enough because Bairstow, Moore, Doug and Nazi are glued to the bench. A more daring and forward thinking FO might take the leap at McGee and one of the top PG's in the d-league. Unfortunately the Bulls don't have a forward and adventurous FO capable of making that leap. Let's see if Jimmy's injury (if it last for more than a few games)forces the move toward a guy like Nate to try and pick up the scoring load.
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Re: Should GarPax be taken to task for not making a move during trading season? 

Post#67 » by BoocheeMan1117 » Mon Mar 2, 2015 3:20 am

logical_art wrote:
BoocheeMan1117 wrote:
logical_art wrote:Just saw on the GB that 15 or so PG changed teams at the break. Many of those were better than Kirk or Brooks. Would have been nice to have seen Garpax take advantage.


We were expecting Rose to play 30 min per game. Hindsight is 20/20


They were apparently aware of an issue with Rose's knee. Also counting on Rose to stay healthy is shortsighted.


Not shortsighted if they know that if Rose misses a lot of games, this team can't win a title anyway. No need to waste cap space. Either Rose stays relatively healthy or bust when it comes to the postseason.
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Re: Should GarPax be taken to task for not making a move during trading season? 

Post#68 » by Senor Chang » Mon Mar 2, 2015 3:37 am

sicko wrote:I will be honest, I have my issues with Thibs but his system is effective and it works, it allows us to still make the playoffs and still be competitive without Rose. Instead of losing what is considered ONE OF the best Coaches in the NBA...I would Blow It Up! No NOT THE TEAM, THE FRONT OFFICE! Gar and Paxson should GO and Thibs should be given MORE POWER to not only coach but also bringing in the players HE NEED to make this thing work. The Players seem to LOVE Thibs but the Front Office probably don't like him because THEY CAN'T CONTROL HIM! Didn't Paxson have issues and Choke Vinny Del Negro as well? OK well to me maybe that is the guy that needs to GO instead of changing coaches YET AGAIN! How can you get rid of or let a coach walk that wins despite the franchise player not being on the Court most of the time he been here.

So I say DUMP Gar Foreman and John Paxson, and GIVE THIBS MORE POWER! Thibs also is liked and respected around the NBA by PLAYERS and Fellow Coaches. Thibs can probably land a big time free agent before Gar Foreman and Paxson who failed at doing so multiple times now. Coach Popovich recently backing Thibs that is a STRONG ENDORSEMENT from the Best Coach in Basketball Right Now!

This damn Fred Hoiberg HYPE is a JOKE to me, do people just have a weird MAN CRUSH on this guy. Why Him? Hire Him Based on WHAT EXACTLY?


Are you sure you want to get rid of the people who keep bringing in quality talent late in the first round? Aside from the minor hiccup here and there they seem to consistently find diamonds in the rough. Im not sure i would blow up the front office, especially to give Thibs more control. If it were up to Thibs we would have a roster full of kirk clones
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Re: Should GarPax be taken to task for not making a move during trading season? 

Post#69 » by sicko » Tue Mar 3, 2015 12:53 am

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sicko wrote:I will be honest, I have my issues with Thibs but his system is effective and it works, it allows us to still make the playoffs and still be competitive without Rose. Instead of losing what is considered ONE OF the best Coaches in the NBA...I would Blow It Up! No NOT THE TEAM, THE FRONT OFFICE! Gar and Paxson should GO and Thibs should be given MORE POWER to not only coach but also bringing in the players HE NEED to make this thing work. The Players seem to LOVE Thibs but the Front Office probably don't like him because THEY CAN'T CONTROL HIM! Didn't Paxson have issues and Choke Vinny Del Negro as well? OK well to me maybe that is the guy that needs to GO instead of changing coaches YET AGAIN! How can you get rid of or let a coach walk that wins despite the franchise player not being on the Court most of the time he been here.

So I say DUMP Gar Foreman and John Paxson, and GIVE THIBS MORE POWER! Thibs also is liked and respected around the NBA by PLAYERS and Fellow Coaches. Thibs can probably land a big time free agent before Gar Foreman and Paxson who failed at doing so multiple times now. Coach Popovich recently backing Thibs that is a STRONG ENDORSEMENT from the Best Coach in Basketball Right Now!

This damn Fred Hoiberg HYPE is a JOKE to me, do people just have a weird MAN CRUSH on this guy. Why Him? Hire Him Based on WHAT EXACTLY?


Are you sure you want to get rid of the people who keep bringing in quality talent late in the first round? Aside from the minor hiccup here and there they seem to consistently find diamonds in the rough. Im not sure i would blow up the front office, especially to give Thibs more control. If it were up to Thibs we would have a roster full of kirk clones


Quality Talent but only 1 Superstar and the only reason why we have that superstar is because of the luck of the lottery I guess you could say? Gar and Pax been given PLENTY OF TIME, time for something NEW! I give them their credit for drafting, they do that well...BUT WHAT ELSE? Thank Goodness for Butler HARD WORK to make himself a better player! Don't put Hinrich on Thibs, Again Bulls Organization was Fascinated with Hinrich before Thibs got here. Let me get this Right, the Front Office give him no say in Firing Ron Adams but somehow you guys think he is behind the signing of Hinrich and some of these other signings?

Dumping what is WIDELY CONSIDERED one of the best Coaches in the NBA at the moment to let this Front Office hire yet ANOTHER COACH makes no sense to me! Hiring Hoiberg is going to do WHAT exactly? :roll: Give them a guy they can run over and tell what to do I guess? Why don't Paxson just come down and coach!
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Re: Should GarPax be taken to task for not making a move during trading season? 

Post#70 » by EastBayFJ » Fri Mar 6, 2015 4:11 am

samwana wrote:
EastBayFJ wrote:Yes they should have been thrashed with a feather . or perhaps tarred and then feathered

They did have contingency plans in place anyway . His name was Kirk


Did you forget the green font???

I'm sorry but having Kirk is not a contingency plan. Overpaying the man for a third time in a row is a god awful and lazy signing.


Notice I talked about Kurt in the past tense

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