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Re: Nikola Mirotic 

Post#1261 » by pduh01 » Thu Apr 9, 2015 6:43 am

Mark K wrote:Something to consider.

I read in the GT & PG thread that Niko has just got to make shots regardless of what position he is playing. I disagree. Here is why.

As a shooter, you establish a rhythm within your game. That rhythm is established by continuity, being setup well from teammates whilst also adjusting to pace and the speed of the game.

We're currently throwing a rookie PF who is learning the NBA game from the inside to the perimeter by having him switch from 4 to 3, 3 to 4 etc. It's a lot of information to process.

Shooting an open shot when being guarded by a PF is different to shooting an open shot when being guarded by a SF or SG. The closing speed differs. The quick perimeter guys will closeout to shots much better than a lumbering PF would.

If you were in the NBA, playing against Memphis, would you be more confident in taking an open 3 with Zach Randolph chasing you around at PF or having Jeff Green going after you?

It's a different mindset.

If you Niko playing 3 and he is use to shooting his shots against PFs, as he would have become accustomed to in March when he was playing as the 3rd big with Taj missing games, when you shift him to SF now, he has to adjust again. That is not easy, especially for a rookie.


I will like to add the and one after I make this post.

I never like the idea of having Niko playing at the three than it is at the four. For short stretches sure but keep him out there at the three for a long period of time is not a ideal. He is better off at the four which can have advantage with lot of fours with his skill sets compare of facing the threes if he was playing at the three, and have a three guard him his skill set will be useless.

The one thing that Nikola have advantage playing as a three is when a three guarding him, or even when there is a switch that guard him like a smaller guard on him which saw in the Orlando game that he needs to post up, and the point guard, or whoever have the ball needs to recognize, and throw the ball to him. Not even once didn't take the advantage to it not even posting up. He make lot of mistakes, playing stupid. Hopefully he'll learn of using that as an advantage down the road.
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Nikola Mirotic 

Post#1262 » by RebuildaBulls » Thu Apr 9, 2015 10:00 pm

Hes not as effective at SF, SF's guarding him dont fall for his pump fake and Bulls cant get him the ball in the post. He needs to play PF
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Re: Nikola Mirotic 

Post#1263 » by Ice Man » Thu Apr 9, 2015 10:10 pm

The Bulls entered this year knowing that either Pau or Jo would start at PF, that Taj Gibson would play major minutes as a highly paid substitute PF, and that Niko Mirotic was the highest-paid rookie in the NBA and plays PF.

How could there not be a logjam? How did the Bulls and/or Thibs think this would be resolved?
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Re: Nikola Mirotic 

Post#1264 » by League Circles » Thu Apr 9, 2015 10:26 pm

Ice Man wrote:The Bulls entered this year knowing that either Pau or Jo would start at PF, that Taj Gibson would play major minutes as a highly paid substitute PF, and that Niko Mirotic was the highest-paid rookie in the NBA and plays PF.

How could there not be a logjam? How did the Bulls and/or Thibs think this would be resolved?


There wasn't anything to resolve. They didn't want to count on Niko and shouldn't have.

They didn't have big injury problems at the 4 and 5 positions, and still:

Gasol 34.4 mpg
Noah 30.6 mpg
Taj 27.3 mpg
Niko 20.1 mpg

"The highest paid rookie in the NBA" is not the highest paid (Wiggins makes more) and makes less than the average NBA player I'm pretty sure.
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Re: Nikola Mirotic 

Post#1265 » by johnnyvann840 » Thu Apr 9, 2015 10:40 pm

Gar Paxdorf wrote:
Ice Man wrote:The Bulls entered this year knowing that either Pau or Jo would start at PF, that Taj Gibson would play major minutes as a highly paid substitute PF, and that Niko Mirotic was the highest-paid rookie in the NBA and plays PF.

How could there not be a logjam? How did the Bulls and/or Thibs think this would be resolved?


There wasn't anything to resolve. They didn't want to count on Niko and shouldn't have.

They didn't have big injury problems at the 4 and 5 positions, and still:

Gasol 34.4 mpg
Noah 30.6 mpg
Taj 27.3 mpg
Niko 20.1 mpg

"The highest paid rookie in the NBA" is not the highest paid (Wiggins makes more) and makes less than the average NBA player I'm pretty sure.


they also didn't want to count on the health of the other bigs, wisely. also, go back to the minutes thread and Niko has played more minutes than most anyone thought he would.
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Re: Nikola Mirotic 

Post#1266 » by Ice Man » Thu Apr 9, 2015 10:40 pm

Gar Paxdorf wrote:There wasn't anything to resolve. They didn't want to count on Niko and shouldn't have.


He's paid over $5 million. He's paid more than Dunleavy who starts, and Kirk and Brooks in the rotation, plus of course the two rookie contracts. He's the 5th highest paid player on the Bulls. They damn well better have expected something from him.

Yeah, Wiggins makes a bit more. Second highest then.
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Post#1267 » by Ice Man » Thu Apr 9, 2015 10:42 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:they also didn't want to count on the health of the other bigs, wisely. also, go back to the minutes thread and Niko has played more minutes than most anyone thought he would.


As I wrote elsewhere, the depth has been a benefit. But there are two drawbacks to the 4 highly paid bigs approach - 1) being forced to underpay at the wing, and 2) the logjam.
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Re: Nikola Mirotic 

Post#1268 » by League Circles » Thu Apr 9, 2015 11:00 pm

Ice Man wrote:
Gar Paxdorf wrote:There wasn't anything to resolve. They didn't want to count on Niko and shouldn't have.


He's paid over $5 million. He's paid more than Dunleavy who starts, and Kirk and Brooks in the rotation, plus of course the two rookie contracts. He's the 5th highest paid player on the Bulls. They damn well better have expected something from him.

Yeah, Wiggins makes a bit more. Second highest then.


You don't pay players what they are worth or what they expect to do for you on a year by year basis. It's not linear like that.

You pay players what it takes to get the ones you want.

Niko has played 20 mpg at a pretty high level amd looks poised to contribute in the playoffs. I'm happy with that. But the contract was to start his career here, to lock him up for years, etc. It wasn't to get precisely 5.3 mil of performance from him in 2014-15, though I think we've got that anyway.
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Re: Nikola Mirotic 

Post#1269 » by Ice Man » Thu Apr 9, 2015 11:41 pm

Gar Paxdorf wrote:[You don't pay players what they are worth or what they expect to do for you on a year by year basis. It's not linear like that. .


I realize, but Niko was 23 turning 24, on a 3-year deal, and on a team trying to win NOW. That's not a stash-for-the-future situation, particularly at that price. I mean, how many $5 million players are stash for the future? That would be a rare thing.
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Re: Nikola Mirotic 

Post#1270 » by jc23 » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:05 am

Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA 8h8 hours ago

Made two big 3s late, but really don't love how much SF Mirotic is playing lately. (And yes, Butler being out may have played role tonight)
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Re: Nikola Mirotic 

Post#1271 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:16 pm

jc23 wrote:
Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA 8h8 hours ago

Made two big 3s late, but really don't love how much SF Mirotic is playing lately. (And yes, Butler being out may have played role tonight)


Nobody likes it, but that is deal for this year. One of the other frontcourt players is gone(Noah or Taj) in the off-season.
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Post#1272 » by RebuildaBulls » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:11 pm

Doesn't Niko get paid more because hes paying his Spanish team's buyout through his own salary since Bulls aren't able pay it all?
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Re: Nikola Mirotic 

Post#1273 » by kodo » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:29 pm

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Marc Stein will vote for Nikola Mirotic as Rookie of the Year.

Please start the man already.

Yet I tend to believe Mirotic, even if we had to wait until March, did wow us with more regularity than any other rookie. I'd argue that his mega March for the Bulls, while Derrick Rose and Jimmy Butler were out injured, sets him up with the most worthy ROY résumé on the board.

To produce the way he did, mustering eight 20-point games off the bench and leading the league in fourth-quarter points for the entire month, suggests that his comparatively pedestrian production from November through February (7.2 PPG in 17.1 minutes a game) stems at least partly from the fact that he wasn't getting as much burn as he should have.

The way Mirotic has forced his way into coach Tom Thibodeau's plans, given the overall state of NBA rookiedom and the fact Chicago is actually playing for something, adds up to just enough for Three-kola to edge out Wiggins, in our view.
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Re: Nikola Mirotic 

Post#1274 » by Rerisen » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:20 pm

Well looks like Noah is out the last game, which will bring my minutes watch to a close.

Final tally, as below, Niko has averaged 15.6 minutes per game this year when all 4 bigs play. But there was a big split after his hot streak, he was only playing about 10 a game before that, probably like 17 or 18 after.

Still not nearly enough for the quality player he has become. He should probably be playing elite 6th man minutes, which is like 25-30.

And out of the 15.6 he does get, the majority is at SF, where, as much publicized, he has not been nearly as effective.

We shall see how this all resolves in the post-season, but I imagine a tremendous amount of griping, especially if the Bulls do anything short of win the East.

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