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Re: Reggie Rose Speaks 

Post#21 » by TyrusRose2425 » Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:39 pm

Rose will probably play here for a very long time
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Post#22 » by dougthonus » Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:43 pm

CalilLove89 wrote:If he averages 22 and 8 next year, and the bulls win around 60 games he will be a top 3 candidate for sure, the story is just too great for the media to pass up. Especially if they go deep this year.


I don't think 22/8 puts him in the MVP conversation necessarily, probably only a fringe candidate. He's also only averaged over 22 points in one season and has never averaged 8 assists (though did average 7.9 once).
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Re: Re: Reggie Rose Speaks 

Post#23 » by Betta Bulleavit » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:36 pm

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CalilLove89 wrote:If he averages 22 and 8 next year, and the bulls win around 60 games he will be a top 3 candidate for sure, the story is just too great for the media to pass up. Especially if they go deep this year.


I don't think 22/8 puts him in the MVP conversation necessarily, probably only a fringe candidate. He's also only averaged over 22 points in one season and has never averaged 8 assists (though did average 7.9 once).

Yeah, I agree. 22 and 8 isn't really a benchmark that I think of when we are talking about an MVP. 25 and 8 would be a different discussion. And even then, it would depend on context like when he won MVP the last time.

That being said, depending on how things go finishing out this contract, I get the feeling that he might not necessarily be looking for max dollars on his next deal. Especially if he knows that we have a real shot at landing someone that could get us to the next level.
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Re: Reggie Rose Speaks 

Post#24 » by Ice Man » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:05 am

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Post#25 » by dougthonus » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:08 am

Betta Bulleavit wrote:That being said, depending on how things go finishing out this contract, I get the feeling that he might not necessarily be looking for max dollars on his next deal. Especially if he knows that we have a real shot at landing someone that could get us to the next level.


I suspect that Derrick Rose will be looking for the maximum dollars he can get.

I suspect the maximum dollars he can get will be well, well below the league maximum.

I really doubt that keeping salary room for other players will even remotely factor into his calculus for his next contract negotiation.

Statements #1 and #3 probably apply to 99% of the league and aren't really Rose specific, but Rose's personal history gives me no reason to think otherwise as he's maximized his dollars at every opportunity thus far [nor do I blame him for that, as I said it applies to virtually everyone]
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Post#26 » by RedBulls23 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:21 am

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Betta Bulleavit wrote:That being said, depending on how things go finishing out this contract, I get the feeling that he might not necessarily be looking for max dollars on his next deal. Especially if he knows that we have a real shot at landing someone that could get us to the next level.


I suspect that Derrick Rose will be looking for the maximum dollars he can get.

I suspect the maximum dollars he can get will be well, well below the league maximum.

I really doubt that keeping salary room for other players will even remotely factor into his calculus for his next contract negotiation.

Statements #1 and #3 probably apply to 99% of the league and aren't really Rose specific, but Rose's personal history gives me no reason to think otherwise as he's maximized his dollars at every opportunity thus far [nor do I blame him for that, as I said it applies to virtually everyone]

It's funny how now it's made to like like a negative that Rose took his full max, but back then everyone was talking about how he isn't holding the team hostage with a opt out option.

And Rose has only had ONE extension opportunity. Let's not act like there were multiple times he could have taken less and he didn't. Most player's take the full max out of there rookie year.

Yeah, Rose likely could take the most money that he is capable of taking, but his previous contract has no bearing on that. Like I said, it has only been one contract.
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Re: Reggie Rose Speaks 

Post#27 » by DuckIII » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:30 am

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I've heard enough from Reggie to know that the only reason he's saying anything that isn't horrid now, is because all of his leverage is gone. Nothing that camp does is about the Bulls. And that's fine. But it is what it is. Bulls fans should ignore the fact that Rose is from Chicago when it comes to the decisions he and his team will make about his future.
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Re: Re: Reggie Rose Speaks 

Post#28 » by Betta Bulleavit » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:39 am

dougthonus wrote:
Betta Bulleavit wrote:That being said, depending on how things go finishing out this contract, I get the feeling that he might not necessarily be looking for max dollars on his next deal. Especially if he knows that we have a real shot at landing someone that could get us to the next level.


I suspect that Derrick Rose will be looking for the maximum dollars he can get.

I suspect the maximum dollars he can get will be well, well below the league maximum.

I really doubt that keeping salary room for other players will even remotely factor into his calculus for his next contract negotiation.

Statements #1 and #3 probably apply to 99% of the league and aren't really Rose specific, but Rose's personal history gives me no reason to think otherwise as he's maximized his dollars at every opportunity thus far [nor do I blame him for that, as I said it applies to virtually everyone]

Well that's why I was saying depending on how he finishes out this contract. I can easily see him still wanting 18-20 million a year, which for him wouldn't be the max. Let's say that he gets back to "good health" status and returns to All-Star/MVP level but hasn't won a title...I think he just might. But that's purely opinion based though.
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Re: Reggie Rose Speaks 

Post#29 » by Ice Man » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:40 am

DuckIII wrote:Bulls fans should ignore the fact that Rose is from Chicago when it comes to the decisions he and his team will make about his future.


Always assume it's 100% business unless the player clearly & specifically indicates otherwise, and also does so via his actions. With Duncan it is not just business, he has shown that. Presumably LBJ has also joined that camp. Not many players do that. None of the 1990s Bulls did. It's a rare thing.
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Post#30 » by CalilLove89 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:19 am

dougthonus wrote:
CalilLove89 wrote:If he averages 22 and 8 next year, and the bulls win around 60 games he will be a top 3 candidate for sure, the story is just too great for the media to pass up. Especially if they go deep this year.


I don't think 22/8 puts him in the MVP conversation necessarily, probably only a fringe candidate. He's also only averaged over 22 points in one season and has never averaged 8 assists (though did average 7.9 once).


If he averaged near career highs he would be in the discussion, especially if you factor in the narrative.

Let's not pretend the MVP is an honest award, if it were LBJ and Michael would of won every year. The best player on the planet is by default the most valuable.

It comes down to narrative, and if D Rose has a career year or close to it, that would be a top 3 or 4 story of the year.
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Re: Reggie Rose Speaks 

Post#31 » by meekrab » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:21 am

CalilLove89 wrote:Reggie workin for an extension, he knows nobody can give Rose the money the Bulls can.

He's off his rocker if he thinks Rose is going to get more money from the Bulls than another team could give him. :crazy:
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Re: Reggie Rose Speaks 

Post#32 » by Betta Bulleavit » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:52 am

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CalilLove89 wrote:Reggie workin for an extension, he knows nobody can give Rose the money the Bulls can.

He's off his rocker if he thinks Rose is going to get more money from the Bulls than another team could give him. :crazy:

Rose still has two seasons left on this deal after this season is done. A couple of good playoff runs and a return to all star status could change the entire complexion of this situation. So much can happen between now and the time his contract ends. Let's just wait and see how this plays out.
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Re: Reggie Rose Speaks 

Post#33 » by kyrv » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:05 am

Betta Bulleavit wrote:
meekrab wrote:
CalilLove89 wrote:Reggie workin for an extension, he knows nobody can give Rose the money the Bulls can.

He's off his rocker if he thinks Rose is going to get more money from the Bulls than another team could give him. :crazy:

Rose still has two seasons left on this deal after this season is done. A couple of good playoff runs and a return to all star status could change the entire complexion of this situation. So much can happen between now and the time his contract ends. Let's just wait and see how this plays out.


Yep you are right. Reggie is actually off his rocker if he thinks he knows who is and isn't paying him in two years. We have no clue how this will work out, neither does either Rose, and I highly doubt the Bulls have decided either. That would be silly.
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