Orlando a possible landing spot for Thibs - Bucher

[kyrv]

Fish, the minutes issue is just a label/catch-all for a broad issue.

Thibs causing injuries is either not an issue or just a part of the bigger picture.

There was major merit to the training staff and Thibs combined issues. Those have been resolved. Although a few people are pretending that either Jenn caused injuries or she was supposed to magically prevent them.

Much of Thibs issues have been resolved thanks to the babysitter. So the arrow is pointing up.

That's the thing, the babysitter came in and changed how things were being handled and there has been no functional difference. Rose missed all of last year under Jen then had another major knee injury this year under restrictions. The only difference is that this year he decided to have it removed instead of the repair like last year. Noah is playing hurt, just like last year under Jen. Taj and Hinrich have had their normal in and out of the lineup type years and are now playing hurt. The Bulls had missed time left and right this year and are now losing people in the playoffs. The only guys healthy are the ones everyone complained about Thibs overloading (Gasol and Butler).

I don't know how someone can objectively look at the last two years, since Jen took over and took away some control from Thibs and determined that there has been some massive increase in the health of the team. Therefore, Thibs' influence on injuries is minor at best.

I guess we are talking about different things. I'm talking about things like putting players back in games when they can't walk, let alone run. And just wearing players out. Obviously that is subjective, but I agree with it.

Thibs wearing on players and wearing players down, again, injuries is no part or a small part.

I've never ever posted that Thibs causes injuries (and I didn't blame him for Rose being in that playoff game). I would argue that Deng would have been more effective down the stretch having played 30 minutes than having played 40, as one example.

But while I'm sort of defending and not defending Thibs here, I do want him back. I think you (and Re to name one) don't like the missed practices for example. I'm good with it. The team has been together all season. I've never really seen practice time during the season used successfully as an excuse to fail, the only exception being like Rose missed time.

I think if the Bulls lose to the Cavs, it will be because the Cavs are better. But that's a guess, we have to see it of course.

[Rerisen]

Because at every turn they've said Tom's their coach? What more do you want them to do? They're not going to address every single rumor because that means you have to address every single rumor in the future.

We know Tom *is* the coach now, we want to know if he is going to *be* the coach.

It's only a hassle if they make it to be. Pax is on the radio every few months, both him and Gar have been on the CSN pre-game show in the last week. I didn't catch the entirety of both but I'm going to bet they vaguely deflected any questions about it, when they could have easily and with one line, simply restated the intention is for Thibs to be here the next 2 years.

And if they did, my bad, someone can repost the clip I hope. But seeing as how that would be a big headline, I'm guessing it was the usual, 'we don't talk about that stuff', 'that's just noise', lukewarm evasiveness that gives no indication either way if its noise that just happens to be truth. Which only fires up the rumor mill even more. And none of this helps the team, it hurts the team as a distraction.

[Rerisen]

I guess we are talking about different things. I'm talking about things like putting players back in games when they can't walk, let alone run.

How is that Thibs job? Players come out of the game injured or limping, like Noah vs Philly, and then it its up to training staff, Jeff Tanaka at the time, to evaluate them and give the go ahead or not if they can return.

Once Thibs is told the guy is able to play, what is he supposed to do, make a layman doctor appraisal on the spot and say no he isn't.

[ADDinChicago]

Stephen A just spouting on First Take he thinks Thibs may wind up in OKC.

Now we know he definitely wont. Thanks Stephen A

Stephen A called the big 3 to Miami first, among other things. I don't know why people are so quick to dismiss his predictions or "news". He's not Chris Broussard. I totally get not liking Stephan A. But he's got some sources.

[MC3]

Stephen A just spouting on First Take he thinks Thibs may wind up in OKC.

Now we know he definitely wont. Thanks Stephen A

Stephen A called the big 3 to Miami first, among other things. I don't know why people are so quick to dismiss his predictions or "news". He's not Chris Broussard. I totally get not liking Stephan A. But he's got some sources.

No one outside Bulls organization have inside sources on Bulls themself. They have rumours. Believe or not, but's that's the way this organization work. If there wasnt JVG going on media we now wouldnt even speak about possible landing spot for Thibs.

JVG's source is Thibs himself. They are good close friends, and they have student-mentor relationship.

[Love4TheGame]

The Bulls franchise will be making a colossal mistake if they let Thibs get away from them. Other than Pops, there isn't a better coach in the league.

[the ultimates]

Stephen A just spouting on First Take he thinks Thibs may wind up in OKC.

Now we know he definitely wont. Thanks Stephen A

Stephen A called the big 3 to Miami first, among other things. I don't know why people are so quick to dismiss his predictions or "news". He's not Chris Broussard. I totally get not liking Stephan A. But he's got some sources.

How long does Smith get to eat off the Miami news? He said he thinks Thibs may wind in OKC. In that same show he said OKC might not want Thibs because they feel he could alienate Durant and Westbrook. How he comes to such a conclusion I have no idea because whether Thibs coached the all-star game or is an assistant for team USA opposing star players rave about him.

[coldfish]

I guess we are talking about different things. I'm talking about things like putting players back in games when they can't walk, let alone run.

How is that Thibs job? Players come out of the game injured or limping, like Noah vs Philly, and then it its up to training staff, Jeff Tanaka at the time, to evaluate them and give the go ahead or not if they can return.

Once Thibs is told the guy is able to play, what is he supposed to do, make a layman doctor appraisal on the spot and say no he isn't.

I've never understood that complaint. In my life, I have never seen a coach give a physical to an injured player. There were two incidents, the Noah ankle and the one time Rose's lower back was so bad he could barely walk. In both cases, Thibs pulled the guy and basically was forced to overrule his own training staff. The one with Noah was completely public. Tedeschi worked out Noah and gave him the all clear on national television.

[Rerisen]

^ Tedeschi was the guy then you're right.

[kyrv]

I guess we are talking about different things. I'm talking about things like putting players back in games when they can't walk, let alone run.

How is that Thibs job? Players come out of the game injured or limping, like Noah vs Philly, and then it its up to training staff, Jeff Tanaka at the time, to evaluate them and give the go ahead or not if they can return.

Once Thibs is told the guy is able to play, what is he supposed to do, make a layman doctor appraisal on the spot and say no he isn't.

I've never understood that complaint. In my life, I have never seen a coach give a physical to an injured player. There were two incidents, the Noah ankle and the one time Rose's lower back was so bad he could barely walk. In both cases, Thibs pulled the guy and basically was forced to overrule his own training staff. The one with Noah was completely public. Tedeschi worked out Noah and gave him the all clear on national television.

Right, that's part of the improvement in the medical staff. That helps everyone imo.

[kyrv]

I guess we are talking about different things. I'm talking about things like putting players back in games when they can't walk, let alone run.

How is that Thibs job? Players come out of the game injured or limping, like Noah vs Philly, and then it its up to training staff, Jeff Tanaka at the time, to evaluate them and give the go ahead or not if they can return.

Once Thibs is told the guy is able to play, what is he supposed to do, make a layman doctor appraisal on the spot and say no he isn't.

When did I say it was Thibs' job?

Watching at home, did you think Noah couldn't play, or did you think he was fine because he was cleared?

Odd forum to be questioning laymen giving medical advice btw. ;P

But anyway in context I think the medical staff changes have worked. So Thibs has not needed to pick between the staff and common sense.

[patagonia]

Maybe Thibs is staying?

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/p ... his-future

When asked about the constant speculation regarding his job, and the fact that his name continues to pop up for openings around the league, most recently for the Oklahoma City Thunder job that became available earlier this week when Scott Brooks was fired, Thibodeau brushed the talk aside.

"It's all noise," Thibodeau said before Game 3 of the Eastern Conference quarterfinals against the Milwaukee Bucks on Thursday night. "That's why it's so important, I think, to establish a routine. You stick to it no matter what. You do it each and every day, nothing should ever change. Put everything you have into getting ready to play and understanding what goes into winning. All that stuff's a bunch of nonsense."