Image ImageImage Image

Around the NBA : Off season edition

Moderators: HomoSapien, GimmeDat, Ice Man, DASMACKDOWN, kulaz3000, fleet, Tommy Udo 6 , RedBulls23, Payt10

User avatar
TheSuzerain
General Manager
Posts: 8,023
And1: 4,517
Joined: Mar 29, 2012

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1061 » by TheSuzerain » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:06 pm

Shabazz sucks. Not a winning player.
User avatar
PMONSTER
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,834
And1: 770
Joined: Nov 28, 2009
     

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1062 » by PMONSTER » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:14 am

I just want to know....

Does anyone here really believe Dion Waiters is better than Derrick Rose? I just want to know
Image

SMH....USA Today wrote....
....and attempted just 3.2 free throws a game, lacking the explosiveness that once allowed him to get to the foul line at will.
User avatar
GimmeDat
Forum Mod - Bulls
Forum Mod - Bulls
Posts: 15,235
And1: 8,587
Joined: Sep 27, 2013
Location: Australia
 

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1063 » by GimmeDat » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:38 am

For those who didn't already know, we have black (sleeveless) alternates this season.
Thibs face still as relevant as ever in 2017.
User avatar
TyrusRose2425
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,424
And1: 3,126
Joined: May 23, 2008
     

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1064 » by TyrusRose2425 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:11 am

I saw Rose on Saturday night. Seems way happier than he did before
Thomas Müller- "We're not careless or arrogant. We're dominant"
User avatar
GimmeDat
Forum Mod - Bulls
Forum Mod - Bulls
Posts: 15,235
And1: 8,587
Joined: Sep 27, 2013
Location: Australia
 

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1065 » by GimmeDat » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:52 am

TyrusRose2425 wrote:I saw Rose on Saturday night. Seems way happier than he did before


That's good to hear man, hopefully he's poised for a good season. I think the pressures off for him for the first time in however many years, things have settled, fan sentiment league-wide has come full circle a bit, and he can just play ball. Being a Cav with LBJ will always feel a bit dirty, but he's an amazing player and teammate and I think it's a good situation for him.
Thibs face still as relevant as ever in 2017.
User avatar
RedBulls23
Forum Mod - Bulls
Forum Mod - Bulls
Posts: 29,660
And1: 12,095
Joined: Jan 19, 2009
Location: Waiting in Grant Park
       

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1066 » by RedBulls23 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:20 am

PMONSTER wrote:I just want to know....

Does anyone here really believe Dion Waiters is better than Derrick Rose? I just want to know

He's younger, no history was major injury or had questions about his desire to be in this league, and can shoot the 3 ball which is pretty much a required skill set for a guard in today's NBA.

So yeah, I would say he's "better."
Follow me on twitter: https://twitter.com/NinetiesDynasty
#FireGarPax
User avatar
RedBulls23
Forum Mod - Bulls
Forum Mod - Bulls
Posts: 29,660
And1: 12,095
Joined: Jan 19, 2009
Location: Waiting in Grant Park
       

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1067 » by RedBulls23 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:22 am

GimmeDat wrote:
TyrusRose2425 wrote:I saw Rose on Saturday night. Seems way happier than he did before


That's good to hear man, hopefully he's poised for a good season. I think the pressures off for him for the first time in however many years, things have settled, fan sentiment league-wide has come full circle a bit, and he can just play ball. Being a Cav with LBJ will always feel a bit dirty, but he's an amazing player and teammate and I think it's a good situation for him.

Rose needs develop some semblance of a 3 ball. It's still not too late for him to do it.

How athletic he still is, that would guaruntee him a long term contract.
Follow me on twitter: https://twitter.com/NinetiesDynasty
#FireGarPax
User avatar
GimmeDat
Forum Mod - Bulls
Forum Mod - Bulls
Posts: 15,235
And1: 8,587
Joined: Sep 27, 2013
Location: Australia
 

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1068 » by GimmeDat » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:47 am

RedBulls23 wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:
TyrusRose2425 wrote:I saw Rose on Saturday night. Seems way happier than he did before


That's good to hear man, hopefully he's poised for a good season. I think the pressures off for him for the first time in however many years, things have settled, fan sentiment league-wide has come full circle a bit, and he can just play ball. Being a Cav with LBJ will always feel a bit dirty, but he's an amazing player and teammate and I think it's a good situation for him.

Rose needs develop some semblance of a 3 ball. It's still not too late for him to do it.

How athletic he still is, that would guaruntee him a long term contract.


My initial feeling is the on-court fit isn't great, but with Kyrie gone I do think they'll have a big need for a secondary creator. Once IT comes back he'll get a crack in the 2nd unit as well, which is probably where he's best suited these days. It's a mixed bag for me.
Thibs face still as relevant as ever in 2017.
User avatar
PMONSTER
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,834
And1: 770
Joined: Nov 28, 2009
     

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1069 » by PMONSTER » Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:00 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:
PMONSTER wrote:I just want to know....

Does anyone here really believe Dion Waiters is better than Derrick Rose? I just want to know

He's younger, no history was major injury or had questions about his desire to be in this league, and can shoot the 3 ball which is pretty much a required skill set for a guard in today's NBA.

So yeah, I would say he's "better."


Man...... You said one thing about him o. The court that he's better than Rose at. SMH. Not at you but that is probably the consensus of opinion.

Can't wait for this season to start
Image

SMH....USA Today wrote....
....and attempted just 3.2 free throws a game, lacking the explosiveness that once allowed him to get to the foul line at will.
dice
RealGM
Posts: 28,318
And1: 6,400
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
Location: chicago

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1070 » by dice » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:51 pm

PMONSTER wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:
PMONSTER wrote:I just want to know....

Does anyone here really believe Dion Waiters is better than Derrick Rose? I just want to know

He's younger, no history was major injury or had questions about his desire to be in this league, and can shoot the 3 ball which is pretty much a required skill set for a guard in today's NBA.

So yeah, I would say he's "better."


Man...... You said one thing about him o. The court that he's better than Rose at. SMH. Not at you but that is probably the consensus of opinion.

Can't wait for this season to start

there's a reason that not even the stinky knicks don't want derrick rose. without his name and now distant track record of success he might not even be in the league
User avatar
RedBulls23
Forum Mod - Bulls
Forum Mod - Bulls
Posts: 29,660
And1: 12,095
Joined: Jan 19, 2009
Location: Waiting in Grant Park
       

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1071 » by RedBulls23 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:05 pm

PMONSTER wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:
PMONSTER wrote:I just want to know....

Does anyone here really believe Dion Waiters is better than Derrick Rose? I just want to know

He's younger, no history was major injury or had questions about his desire to be in this league, and can shoot the 3 ball which is pretty much a required skill set for a guard in today's NBA.

So yeah, I would say he's "better."


Man...... You said one thing about him o. The court that he's better than Rose at. SMH. Not at you but that is probably the consensus of opinion.

Can't wait for this season to start

That one thing is really important, and the other two aren't matter of opinion, they are facts.

There is a reason Drose was only offered vet min deals or 1 year deals.
Follow me on twitter: https://twitter.com/NinetiesDynasty
#FireGarPax
User avatar
tong po
Head Coach
Posts: 6,145
And1: 1,575
Joined: Apr 21, 2006
Location: York & Roosevelt Rds.

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1072 » by tong po » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:48 pm

I remember saying Rose would go for vet min-type money a year ago and people were shocked. Now he's actually signed to vet min-type money and people are still somehow shocked.

He sucks. Shabazz too. Scorers who can't shoot, don't pass, and don't play defense are useless players.
kodo
RealGM
Posts: 10,440
And1: 5,539
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
Location: Wrigleyville

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1073 » by kodo » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:04 pm

PMONSTER wrote:I just want to know....

Does anyone here really believe Dion Waiters is better than Derrick Rose? I just want to know


Not at all, but Waiters is a better complementary player than Rose is a #1 option, which is how he plays.

Waiters is a 39.5% 3P shooter and MIA's best corner 3 shooter by a mile (51.8% from there).
Waiters by DRPM was also a lot better defensively. He was -0.07, but Rose was -2.36.

Basically a market existed for a 3 & not-horrible-D player like Waiters.
There is not much market for a physically broken, unreliable, low efficiency #1/#2 option like Rose.

Iverson's decline was also rapid. He went from being 26 ppg 7 apg in Denver, to being out of the league entirely just 2 seasons later. Some kinds of players have no utility without the ball in their hands the entire game.
User avatar
TheStig
RealGM
Posts: 10,888
And1: 2,107
Joined: Jun 18, 2004
Location: Gar Winning!

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1074 » by TheStig » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:09 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:
PMONSTER wrote:I just want to know....

Does anyone here really believe Dion Waiters is better than Derrick Rose? I just want to know

He's younger, no history was major injury or had questions about his desire to be in this league, and can shoot the 3 ball which is pretty much a required skill set for a guard in today's NBA.

So yeah, I would say he's "better."

I agree. Waiters has a better skill set for today's game. And shooting guard is not a position heavy with talent like pg. I'd take Waiters over Rose.
User avatar
ImSlower
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,618
And1: 946
Joined: Jan 06, 2011
Location: NYC
   

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1075 » by ImSlower » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:49 am

I don't think it's a big deal for a Bulls (or specifically a Rose) fan to consider him a below-average NBA player in 2017.

I am a bigger Cardinals fan (apologies, North side pals, enjoy your October), I absolutely revered Albert Pujols for a decade. I was happy we didnt spend 200 million on him, and he's far worse now than I thought he would be. It sucks to see my favorite baseball player since the 80s be so terrible now.

Rose might still have a turnaround and stay a productive NBA player, and I believe he can, unlike Pujols who is just gone. I doubt it, though. And sure, at this point I'd take Waiters over Rose, despite hating on Waiters game for years and loving Rose for the good times.
Jimmy Buckets gonna knock you out!!
Proven_Winner
RealGM
Posts: 14,151
And1: 3,356
Joined: Jun 02, 2013

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1076 » by Proven_Winner » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:34 pm

On the bright side we got Pargo back!!!!
User avatar
MrSparkle
RealGM
Posts: 12,057
And1: 2,561
Joined: Jul 31, 2003
Location: chicago

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1077 » by MrSparkle » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:02 pm

When Rose's umpteenth injury happened, you could tell he was never gonna play with fire again.

In many ways, Rose wasn't even a skilled PG to begin with (by NBA standards). You could make a giant list of better shooters and fancier passers and dribblers. What made him special was his athleticism and his determination to get to the rim and finish. Made him unstoppable, basically. He had great touch around the basket, but he combined that speed and power with a fearless attitude on the court, intimidated and won every match-up.

Without that, he's just a regular NBA guard, who wants to hold the ball and take more shots than he should.

It's gotten hard to watch players with little effort on defense. They're so exposed in the faster-paced and spaced NBA -- it looks pathetic when your team can't stop PGs from lighting them up. Rose doesn't seem to have the effort nor the IQ to defend anybody.
User avatar
GimmeDat
Forum Mod - Bulls
Forum Mod - Bulls
Posts: 15,235
And1: 8,587
Joined: Sep 27, 2013
Location: Australia
 

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1078 » by GimmeDat » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:45 am

It's been pretty insane how many Bulls-connections Thibs has tried to re-group at Minny - he already has Taj and Jimmy, he considered trading for Rose last season, they've recently worked out Kirk and Nate, John Lucas III was signed as an assistant coach from memory.

Seems like he's trying to bring the Bulls fans along with him as well ;)

I have no doubt if Joakim was waived or otherwise free to sign there he'd be a Wolve as well. Looking forward to watching them this season.
Thibs face still as relevant as ever in 2017.
User avatar
kulaz3000
Forum Mod - Bulls
Forum Mod - Bulls
Posts: 30,486
And1: 9,234
Joined: Oct 25, 2006

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1079 » by kulaz3000 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:33 am

Why so serious?
User avatar
sco
General Manager
Posts: 9,206
And1: 1,172
Joined: Sep 22, 2003
Location: Virtually Everywhere!

Re: Around the NBA : Off season edition 

Post#1080 » by sco » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:59 pm

GimmeDat wrote:It's been pretty insane how many Bulls-connections Thibs has tried to re-group at Minny - he already has Taj and Jimmy, he considered trading for Rose last season, they've recently worked out Kirk and Nate, John Lucas III was signed as an assistant coach from memory.

Seems like he's trying to bring the Bulls fans along with him as well ;)

I have no doubt if Joakim was waived or otherwise free to sign there he'd be a Wolve as well. Looking forward to watching them this season.

I don't think Jo really loved Thibs. Those two had friction.
Yay Bulls! :D

Return to Chicago Bulls