WT- Nate unlikely to be back (WAIT! + instagram pic pg 81!)

JDRochholz · Post #101 » by **JDRochholz** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:26 am

I never thought for a second I'd feel the way I do about this little guy....we need him so bad.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #102 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:30 am

JDRochholz wrote:I never thought for a second I'd feel the way I do about this little guy....we need him so bad.

Duck made this point a few pages back - but much, if not all, of what Nate brings is a duplication of what we already get from Rose. I don't think we'll miss him as much if only because we are getting Rose back.

Trm3 · Post #103 » by **Trm3** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:32 am

Payt10 wrote:
coldfish wrote:
Godzilla039 wrote:Lack of a secondary ball handler in the fourth while LBJ is hawking Rose will once again be our downfall unless Rose goes berserk. The need seems obvious but so did flipping Deng for Barnes last season.

if people are taking it as a given that LBJ can shut Rose off at will, you basically need a second Derrick Rose then, right? Seriously. Are people saying that a Nate Robinson is going to carry the team to a title as Rose cries in a corner with Lebron hovering over him menacingly?

Any guess on who this top 5 player is and how the Bulls can get him?

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Edit add: Don't get me wrong here. I'm pissed. I think the Bulls are fools to hang their hats on a 2014 plan that will get them nothing. I love Nate in his role and want him back. That said, I wanted him running the offense when Derrick is on the bench so that the team doesn't score 0 points every time the starters go out. It never struck me that Nate is going to be your primary scoring option late in playoff teams against the Heat.

If Nate is having one of his "Nate games" in the 4th quarter, I don't see why you couldn't put him in a lineup with Rose? Thibs did it with Nate and Kirk and it seemed to work fine. If you're selective with it, it could be a dangerous combination between the two of them.

Yeah..he broke down Miami in game 1..so much so they switched LBJ to him at times and doubled him at times too..they gonna do that switch or double with Rose on the court as well? **** no!

We're frickin cheap. I get annoyed with all this.."well, we don't have the money" yes, we do! The Bulls make so much profit that being in the LT would not hurt this franchise at all! They'd still profit....Go Sox, Jerry!

blumeany · Post #104 » by **blumeany** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:33 am

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
JDRochholz wrote:I never thought for a second I'd feel the way I do about this little guy....we need him so bad.

Duck made this point a few pages back - but much, if not all, of what Nate brings is a duplication of what we already get from Rose. I don't think we'll miss him as much if only because we are getting Rose back.

Yeah, but, you know that feeling when Derrick comes out of the game and our offense completely stagnates? You wouldn't have that if Nate's your backup. You'd have a Rose/Butler line and a Hinrich/Robinson line.

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Wont PerDont · Post #105 » by **Wont PerDont** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:46 am

dougthonus wrote:
Chitownbulls wrote:Paxson has been saying the same thing for the last 15 years....building for our future!

He built a team that is a legitimate championship contender. They aren't "building for the future" nor is anyone saying that. They're continuing to contend for a championship while trying to figure out the moves that make them most likely to continue doing so for as long as possible.

I too would like Nate Robinson back, but Nate Robinson isn't the difference between this team having more or less talent than the Heat.

That's kind of a cop out.

You aren't going to beat the Heat by out "talent-ing" them. But, what Nate does is bring the single most important quality/talent to the Bulls in their quest to beat the Heat and he might just be the best bargain in the league doing it (at least he was last year). I think the message this sends is worse than the physical act of not signing him. I mean if the Bulls aren't willing to part with the cash to sign the guy who brings shot creation to the roster for the bargain basement price he did/does it for, then how can fans think they would make a major move to improve from here?

Not only that but the reluctance to sign him says something else...

It calls into question whether the FO even knows what this team needs. If they can't see what a HUGE discount it was to hire Nate for the skills he provided for the league minimum (thus making a Nate signing a priority) then doesn't it worry you that they are even considering getting Rose some offensive help? It sure does me...

Godzilla039 · Post #106 » by **Godzilla039** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:00 am

Let me get this straight. Having someone that can somewhat duplicates what Rose gives us is a bad thing? smh

People questioned the signing at the beginning of last season and he ended up being one of our most consistent players. Now they question whether he can play with Rose because they have similar skillsets, eventhough this formula has worked in different situations. Being the primary scorer and setup man is a hell of an undertaking. Lesser men have been known to remove themselves from those situations.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #107 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:03 am

Godzilla039 wrote:Let me get this straight. Having someone that can somewhat duplicates what Rose gives us is a bad thing? smh

Who said that? I certainly didn't.

Wont PerDont · Post #108 » by **Wont PerDont** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:05 am

dougthonus wrote:
burlydee wrote:Nate Robinson could very well be the difference in 1 playoff game. He is the kind of guy with the confidence and moxie (for lack of a better word) to step up and steal a game, a key game, a game you need. There really is no reason to let him go. He is a difference maker, he proved that this year during the regular season and in the playoffs.

His skillset largely overlaps Rose, he's probably not playing with Rose, and while he could win you a game, he could also lose you a game. As I said, I wish we were bringing him back, but I just don't see getting apocalyptic over not bringing him back. His best assets are less valuable with Derrick Rose on the floor. Nate's not an off the ball player, and he's not going to have the opportunity to do what he did last season with Rose back on the court.

Granted, I still liked him in a reserve role. I would still look to see if I could dump Hinrich for cap room then resign Nate/Beli with the same money you're paying Hinrich + Vet min guy. However, to drop into the whole "the bulls don't even want to win" spiel because they don't sign Nate Robinson despite obvious reasons why they aren't pursuing it lacks some perspective. There's certainly room to disagree with the decision, but let's see if it's financial or basketball first to see why we disagree with it.

You say that his skillset overlaps Rose like its a bad thing? If you ask me we need more players with similar skillsets.

And I might buy into him not playing with Rose when someone can name me a player on the Bulls roster you would most like to have in a situation where Rose is doubled and gives the ball up to a teammate who has a Heat player closing out on him taking away the jumper and he has to put it on the floor and make a play. Until that player is not named Nate Robinson, you have to sign/play him!

musiqsoulchild · Post #109 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:22 am

Godzilla039 wrote:Let me get this straight. Having someone that can somewhat duplicates what Rose gives us is a bad thing? smh

People questioned the signing at the beginning of last season and he ended up being one of our most consistent players. Now they question whether he can play with Rose because they have similar skillsets, eventhough this formula has worked in different situations. Being the primary scorer and setup man is a hell of an undertaking. Lesser men have been known to remove themselves from those situations.

You are making stuff up now to make your argument seem to hold more weight.

Nate's signing was universally applauded on this board.

D_GoLow · Post #110 » by **D_GoLow** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:25 am

This rumor might just be as true as ones that said Lebron was coming to Chicago, just saying.

Godzilla039 · Post #111 » by **Godzilla039** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:26 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:
Godzilla039 wrote:Let me get this straight. Having someone that can somewhat duplicates what Rose gives us is a bad thing? smh

People questioned the signing at the beginning of last season and he ended up being one of our most consistent players. Now they question whether he can play with Rose because they have similar skillsets, eventhough this formula has worked in different situations. Being the primary scorer and setup man is a hell of an undertaking. Lesser men have been known to remove themselves from those situations.

You are making stuff up now to make your argument seem to hold more weight.

Nate's signing was universally applauded on this board.

My memory gets cloudy from time to time but I'm not purposely making **** up. I recall this board being skeptical of the signing. Questions about his height, defense, attitude etc.

musiqsoulchild · Post #112 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:31 am

Godzilla039 wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
Godzilla039 wrote:Let me get this straight. Having someone that can somewhat duplicates what Rose gives us is a bad thing? smh

People questioned the signing at the beginning of last season and he ended up being one of our most consistent players. Now they question whether he can play with Rose because they have similar skillsets, eventhough this formula has worked in different situations. Being the primary scorer and setup man is a hell of an undertaking. Lesser men have been known to remove themselves from those situations.

You are making stuff up now to make your argument seem to hold more weight.

Nate's signing was universally applauded on this board.

My memory gets cloudy from time to time but I'm not purposely making **** up. I recall this board being skeptical of the signing. Questions about his height, defense, attitude etc.

Sorry for being salty man. This place gets to you after a while. If every draft night is not a major trade night, if every offseason is not marked by a major FA acqusition....this place goes crazy.

I am just tired of this. I mean, we have an unbeleivably good team to which we are adding Rose and a couple of young shooters. But the reaction on here has been pretty incredible.

Godzilla039 · Post #113 » by **Godzilla039** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:35 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:
Godzilla039 wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
You are making stuff up now to make your argument seem to hold more weight.

Nate's signing was universally applauded on this board.

My memory gets cloudy from time to time but I'm not purposely making **** up. I recall this board being skeptical of the signing. Questions about his height, defense, attitude etc.

Sorry for being salty man. This place gets to you after a while. If every draft night is not a major trade night, if every offseason is not marked by a major FA acqusition....this place goes crazy.

I am just tired of this. I mean, we have an unbeleivably good team to which we are adding Rose and a couple of young shooters. But the reaction on here has been pretty incredible.

It's cool.

I'm in the group that likes the draft pick. 8-)

Chitownbulls · Post #114 » by **Chitownbulls** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:41 am

Just_Bullz wrote:The end of our championship hope starts now. One less shot creator.

Bulls are looking for big shot makers, 3pt shooters, creators, and guys that can create their own shot

That sounds like Nate Robinson if you ask me...AND HES DIRT CHEAP

Keller61 · Post #115 » by **Keller61** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:46 am

Chitownbulls · Post #116 » by **Chitownbulls** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:50 am

Nate Robinson helped this bulls team way more than hurt it....If it wasn't for him we would have been knocked out in the 1st round against the Nets....and we also would have been swept by the Heat.

Fact is....he brings you a TON at a very little asking price. Dude is Tough as nails, loves the team and brings an insane energy to the court. AND HE GIVES MIAMI TROUBLES!!!

Marco cost us more.... 1.9mil

Nate- 1.1 mil

Give him another 1.1 million deal an keep the guy. HE WANTS TO STAY HERE AND HE DOESNT WANT A LOT OF MONEY! Guy should be asking for a lot after the season he just had. If Rose ever needs to sit....Nate can step up in his place

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We don't want this guy

PJ Brown · Post #117 » by **PJ Brown** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:55 am

He's not going to take a 1.1 million dollar deal this time.

I don't think this is a referendum on whether or not he deserves to be back. Everyone recognizes he earned his keep. Moving forward, with Rose back, Robinson commanding more money elsewhere and the Bulls with limited options being over the cap, it's just probably not in the cards.

Tenchi Ryu · Post #118 » by **Tenchi Ryu** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:55 am

Chitownbulls wrote:Give him another 1.1 million deal an keep the guy. HE WANTS TO STAY HERE AND HE DOESNT WANT A LOT OF MONEY!

Just getting home, was this confirmed?

Chitownbulls · Post #119 » by **Chitownbulls** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:57 am

You know why players don't want to come here????

Because we are dirt cheap

We don't even want to cough up a million dollars for Nate Robinson to resign.....HE WAS THE BEST BARGAIN IN THE NBA LAST SEASON AN A HUGE REASON FOR OUR SUCCESS

I wouldn't want to come here either...doing him dirty

Chitownbulls · Post #120 » by **Chitownbulls** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:58 am

Tenchi Ryu wrote:
Chitownbulls wrote:Give him another 1.1 million deal an keep the guy. HE WANTS TO STAY HERE AND HE DOESNT WANT A LOT OF MONEY!

Just getting home, was this confirmed?

No but according to his agent he wants a multi year deal. Give him 1.5 for two years or something, see what he says. He wants to play here