Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng

[Ralphb07]

Any teams that sends a 2014 1st for Deng will have some sort of protection on it.

Who's the most logical trading partner? I thought the clippers would work but they have a lack of expirings. I just don't see what team that's in the playoff hunt that has the right pieces to facilitate a deal.

Because if it's not a playoff contender, we would have to find a deal for a player that we would prefer over what we can get in free agency. I personally would love Eric Gordon. I would love Afflalo but he's not going anywhere. Orlando has to pay someone and he's a steal on that contract.

Teams I've heard in the past have been Dallas, Detroit, Cleveland, Washington, Phoenix, Utah, New Orleans and Sacramento. Now of course some of those teams are in tank mode but I would think one of those teams above.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

The only teams that'd be interested in a Deng rental are looking to win now.

Here's a list:
San Antonio
Indiana
Portland
Miami
LAC
NYK
Brooklyn
Golden State
MIN
Wizards (making the playoffs this year is really important to them for some reason)
Dallas
OKC

Now I'll take away the teams that are already set at SF:
LAC
NYK (keeping them bc Melo can play PF)
MIN (keeping them bc while Brewer's been great, but Deng would be a clear upgrade)
Wizards
Dallas
OKC (keeping them bc they might want depth)

Now I'll take away the teams that don't have expirings to send back:
Wizards
Dallas
OKC

Now I'll take away the teams that don't have 2014 1st rounders:
OKC

So our best hope for getting a 1st rounder is trading with an OKC team that will play Durant 40 mpg in the playoffs and already has a very serviceable back-up PF in Nick Collison.

I don't like our chances.

You left out Cleveland and Detroit. And I don't think the Bulls would just take expirings, I think they would take vets on good contracts or a player on a rookie contract as well.

Nice avatar btw.

I think Cleveland and Detroit want to make the playoffs but not so badly they'd give give up a draft pick for a rental. These are young teams. Their windows are just opening.

Thanks. Big Danny Brown fan.

[Ralphb07]

The only teams that'd be interested in a Deng rental are looking to win now.

Here's a list:
San Antonio
Indiana
Portland
Miami
LAC
NYK
Brooklyn
Golden State
MIN
Wizards (making the playoffs this year is really important to them for some reason)
Dallas
OKC

Now I'll take away the teams that are already set at SF:
LAC
NYK (keeping them bc Melo can play PF)
MIN (keeping them bc while Brewer's been great, but Deng would be a clear upgrade)
Wizards
Dallas
OKC (keeping them bc they might want depth)

Now I'll take away the teams that don't have expirings to send back:
Wizards
Dallas
OKC

Now I'll take away the teams that don't have 2014 1st rounders:
OKC

So our best hope for getting a 1st rounder is trading with an OKC team that will play Durant 40 mpg in the playoffs and already has a very serviceable back-up PF in Nick Collison.

I don't like our chances.

Add Detroit and Cleveland and also keep in mind of three teams deals. For example the Cavs send Anderson V to a team that has expiring deals, that teams sends us expiring deals and Deng goes to Cleveland. Also one of those teams give up a 1st going to Chicago.

[Hans Embiid]

I can only assume that this is pure speculation on K.C. Johnson's part. I don't even think the FO knows what they're going to do right now, let alone K.C.

I expect the FO to put a plan together after Rose gets the surgery and they have a general idea of the recovery time. But even then, it takes a little while to put a plan together.

This could very well be much ado about nothing. At least for now.

agree. NOTHING will happen with this bad FO and we will suck for years to come.

[Hans Embiid]

Any teams that sends a 2014 1st for Deng will have some sort of protection on it.

If we get lets say the 23th pick from the Clippers I would like it.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

The only teams that'd be interested in a Deng rental are looking to win now.

Here's a list:
San Antonio
Indiana
Portland
Miami
LAC
NYK
Brooklyn
Golden State
MIN
Wizards (making the playoffs this year is really important to them for some reason)
Dallas
OKC

Now I'll take away the teams that are already set at SF:
LAC
NYK (keeping them bc Melo can play PF)
MIN (keeping them bc while Brewer's been great, but Deng would be a clear upgrade)
Wizards
Dallas
OKC (keeping them bc they might want depth)

Now I'll take away the teams that don't have expirings to send back:
Wizards
Dallas
OKC

Now I'll take away the teams that don't have 2014 1st rounders:
OKC

So our best hope for getting a 1st rounder is trading with an OKC team that will play Durant 40 mpg in the playoffs and already has a very serviceable back-up PF in Nick Collison.

I don't like our chances.

Add Detroit and Cleveland and also keep in mind of three teams deals. For example the Cavs send Anderson V to a team that has expiring deals, that teams sends us expiring deals and Deng goes to Cleveland. Also one of those teams give up a 1st going to Chicago.

Fair enough, we could swing a three-teamer. That scenario still relies on a team sending out an asset that's more valuable than 4 months of Deng.

[Slackstring701]

Bulls are more likely to trade Butler than Deng

[yifsuibfe1]

I can only assume that this is pure speculation on K.C. Johnson's part. I don't even think the FO knows what they're going to do right now, let alone K.C.

I expect the FO to put a plan together after Rose gets the surgery and they have a general idea of the recovery time. But even then, it takes a little while to put a plan together.

This could very well be much ado about nothing. At least for now.

agree. NOTHING will happen with this bad FO and we will suck for years to come.

KC is the front office's mouthpiece... This isn't speculation.... And your comments about the front office are dumb


Do you honestly think we have an ounce of leverage in any trade scenario right now?

[whodey]

Bulls are more likely to trade Butler than Deng

Negative. We have our starting SF for $2 million next year. Butler is going nowhere.

[Hans Embiid]

Bulls are more likely to trade Butler than Deng

Negative. We have our starting SF for $2 million next year. Butler is going nowhere.

Butler has value. It is NECESSARY trading him.

[DanTown8587]

Deng for Bynum and Waiters makes a ton of sense.

Bulls save luxury tax, add a two guard with handles and Cleveland upgrades the 3 spot.

[Michael Jackson]

The only teams that'd be interested in a Deng rental are looking to win now.

Here's a list:
San Antonio
Indiana
Portland
Miami
LAC
NYK
Brooklyn
Golden State
MIN
Wizards (making the playoffs this year is really important to them for some reason)
Dallas
OKC

Now I'll take away the teams that are already set at SF:
LAC
NYK (keeping them bc Melo can play PF)
MIN (keeping them bc while Brewer's been great, but Deng would be a clear upgrade)
Wizards
Dallas
OKC (keeping them bc they might want depth)

Now I'll take away the teams that don't have expirings to send back:
Wizards
Dallas
OKC

Now I'll take away the teams that don't have 2014 1st rounders:
OKC

So our best hope for getting a 1st rounder is trading with an OKC team that will play Durant 40 mpg in the playoffs and already has a very serviceable back-up PF in Nick Collison.

I don't like our chances.

I love this post. It puts the reality of how difficult getting a deal done is.

[Hotstove907]

Bulls are more likely to trade Butler than Deng

Negative. We have our starting SF for $2 million next year. Butler is going nowhere.

Butler has value. It is NECESSARY trading him.

Butler isn't going anywhere. Why would you trade him and not resign Deng? Losing both wing defenders makes zero cents.

[Michael Jackson]

Bulls are more likely to trade Butler than Deng

Negative. We have our starting SF for $2 million next year. Butler is going nowhere.

Butler has value. It is NECESSARY trading him.

He does have value no doubt but it would have to be a very good deal to trade him. He is such a good deal and we need that with Derrick eating up 20 million of capspace.

[Hans Embiid]

Negative. We have our starting SF for $2 million next year. Butler is going nowhere.

Butler has value. It is NECESSARY trading him.

Butler isn't going anywhere. Why would you trade him and not resign Deng? Losing both wing defenders makes zero cents.

We should tank anyway and get some picks.

[Rerisen]

We should tank anyway and get some picks.

Good reading for tankers, just so you know your odds. They aren't good.

54. Since 1985, only two teams (the Miami Heat in 2006 and the Houston Rockets in 1995) have managed to win a title without winning at least 66 percent of their games (which works out to 54 wins in an 82-game season). So it seems likely that a team needs to win at least 54 games to be considered a contender.

10%. Teams that win 25 games or less have only about a 10% chance to join the list of contenders five years after their terrible season. Which means that 90% of teams that win 25 games or less won’t make it to 54 wins after five years.

20%. Teams that win 34-49 games — so called “mediocre teams” that find themselves in the dreaded middle — have about a 20% chance of hitting 54 wins after five years. This means that a middle-of-the-pack team is twice as likely to become a contender than a team that bottoms out.

But those are just the figures for teams. I’ve also looked at the success rate of players who were taken with one of the top three picks in the NBA draft, and it isn’t pretty:

25%. Those are the odds that the team with the worst record in the NBA will win the #1 pick in the draft. That means that 75% of the time the #1 pick will go to a different team.

32%. The likelihood that a team picking in the top three will not make the playoffs even once in the four years following the draft. Why four years? Four years is the amount of time on rookie contracts.

29%. The likelihood that a team picking in the top three will top out at the first round in the four years following the draft. This means that 61% of teams will manage a first round loss or worse in the four years following a top three selection.

18%. The likelihood that a team picking in the top three will make it to the Conference Finals, Finals, or win a championship in the four years after their draft. So 82% of the teams picking in the top three won’t make it deep into the playoffs within four years of their draft.

2. The number of teams that have won a title within four years of drafting a top three pick. One of the players in question — Tim Duncan — was very productive and essential to winning that championship. The other player — the infamous Darko Milicic — hardly played during his team’s title run.

5. The number of top three picks that have won a championship with the team that drafted them. You already know about Duncan and Milicic. David Robinson won a championship with the Spurs 11 years after being drafted (and with Duncan’s help). Sean Elliott (9 years after being drafted) and Jason Kidd (16 years) are the other two players, and both of them were traded away and then re-acquired before helping their respective teams to a title.

http://wagesofwins.com/2013/10/31/are-w ... t-tanking/

[southpaw954]

What about ditching Deng and trying to get Melo

Deng & some pieces for a disgruntled Carmelo? If both agree to extensions? No way it happens but I wouldn't mind. Probably only star player that might want to be traded.

[Mech Engineer]

The narrative is Deng is very valuable for the Bulls. Actually, with his questionable ball handling skills and otherwise good to great skills in other things, he is a better fit for most to many teams. I feel he is actually a bad fit for the Bulls because the Bulls lack a second ball handler. You take away that responsibility from Deng and he is a better player than he is on the Bulls. And, his length allows him to play PF on small ball line-ups unlike comparable SFs like Igoudala, Gay and even Melo(who struggles on defense).

The Bulls should allow the market to develop but his expiring is the biggest issue right now. Teams like Sacramento and Cleveland will be scared of losing him and give less in value. I think the Pelicans are a good partner, IMO.

[kingkirk]

Bulls are more likely to trade Butler than Deng

Negative. We have our starting SF for $2 million next year. Butler is going nowhere.

Butler has value. It is NECESSARY trading him.

For obvious reasons, this makes zero sense.

[Chi town]

Deng will resign for the right money. A team like Sac or Cle have to overpay to get an all star like him anyway. This way they get his bird right and may extend him early.

The trade I like the best is for Waiters. Jimmy is a SF and we need wing scoring badly. Deng would put CLE in the playoffs.

You have to remember Dengs biggest value add if his D and his vet leadership. Lots of teams that have sucked for years need to pay to get that.