ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng

[dmk08]

I've been saying this is the most likely outcome for a few weeks now. Would anyone be surprised ifthe Bulls:

Re-sign Deng
Keep Boozer
Trade some salary to get under what they need to sign Mirotic to the MLE
Draft the likes of Doug McDermitt and Wayne Seldon(which wouldn't be a terrible thing)
Hope Derrick Rose comes back healthy.

Boozer is gone next year, especially if we're keeping Deng.

Yeah why keep Boozer here. Ditch him and start Taj.

[Evil_Headband]

I've been saying this is the most likely outcome for a few weeks now. Would anyone be surprised ifthe Bulls:

Re-sign Deng
Keep Boozer
Trade some salary to get under what they need to sign Mirotic to the MLE
Draft the likes of Doug McDermitt and Wayne Seldon(which wouldn't be a terrible thing)
Hope Derrick Rose comes back healthy.

I'm not sure how much salary we'd have to cut but I'd guess keeping Boozer and signing Mirotic would mean that Taj goes. I prefer to keep Taj over Boozer without question.

[TheStig]

I've discussed this in the other thread but after going back in forth, I think you try hard to resign him. Assuming we amnesty Boozer, Deng doesn't really limit our flexibility by giving him $12-13 a year. I think holding out for free agents to sign with us is risky and probably not worth it. The only downside is that Deng gets us a few more wins while the tanking process continues.

And a guys like Parker and Wiggins will be fine playing SG. Lebron started as a SG in the league. I do think you sell high on Butler because we won't be able to afford his extension. I also try hard as hell to get back Asik and do away with Noah if we get the chance.

Also, who knows if Mirotic is coming over next year, i'm sure that has a lot to do whether or not we bring back Deng, and for how much.

Butler's extension will be less than Deng's and he currently makes like 10 times less than Deng.. And Butler can actually play both wing positions and is more disruptive of a defender. I'd rather keep Butler long term and try to get a star.

[RoundMoundOfRebound]

I am hoping is just a bit of posturing by the front office to get solid value from Deng. But if not.

[Lolo]

I'm all for keeping Deng IF?..

1. The Bulls actually have a plan to get a SG who can be the second creator.
2. Microtic comes over.
3. Thibs cuts down Dengs minutes
4. Jimmy backs up the SG and Deng for some meaningful minutes (he's a capable backup... Deng shouldn't have to play 39 +)
5. Deng takes a "hometown discount".

Deng is great, but just not when asked to be the second guy. We need a SG or PF (Mirotic) to fill that role.

[dmk08]

I've discussed this in the other thread but after going back in forth, I think you try hard to resign him. Assuming we amnesty Boozer, Deng doesn't really limit our flexibility by giving him $12-13 a year. I think holding out for free agents to sign with us is risky and probably not worth it. The only downside is that Deng gets us a few more wins while the tanking process continues.

And a guys like Parker and Wiggins will be fine playing SG. Lebron started as a SG in the league. I do think you sell high on Butler because we won't be able to afford his extension. I also try hard as hell to get back Asik and do away with Noah if we get the chance.

Also, who knows if Mirotic is coming over next year, i'm sure that has a lot to do whether or not we bring back Deng, and for how much.

Butler's extension will be less than Deng's and he currently makes like 10 times less than Deng.. And Butler can actually play both wing positions and is more disruptive of a defender. I'd rather keep Butler long term and try to get a star.

Deng can't play the 2 and 3? Butlers defense isn't that much better than Dengs. Dengs offense is much better than Butlers. Deng can also play more @ the 4 IMO.

[Pnjguy]

I've discussed this in the other thread but after going back in forth, I think you try hard to resign him. Assuming we amnesty Boozer, Deng doesn't really limit our flexibility by giving him $12-13 a year. I think holding out for free agents to sign with us is risky and probably not worth it. The only downside is that Deng gets us a few more wins while the tanking process continues.

And a guys like Parker and Wiggins will be fine playing SG. Lebron started as a SG in the league. I do think you sell high on Butler because we won't be able to afford his extension. I also try hard as hell to get back Asik and do away with Noah if we get the chance.

Also, who knows if Mirotic is coming over next year, i'm sure that has a lot to do whether or not we bring back Deng, and for how much.

Butler's extension will be less than Deng's and he currently makes like 10 times less than Deng.. And Butler can actually play both wing positions and is more disruptive of a defender. I'd rather keep Butler long term and try to get a star.

Can't disagree with your logic but I would rather keep Deng. Butler making say $6 mill less with probably not move the needle on getting a star in free agency.

The main reason why I keep Deng is because I believe the most probably way of getting a star is through this draft, and Deng's salary wouldn't get in the way of that. And his veteran presence will be nice as well. Only downside is the tanking element.

[HomoSapien]

This is just a horrible strategy. A season worth of losing and being stuck in trade rumors isn't going to make Deng feel all warm and cozey about this team. If anything, it'll just make him wonder about other franchises. The Mavs, Cavs, Lakers, or Suns will have interest in him. If the Bulls want him, they need to work out an extension.

[TheStig]

I've discussed this in the other thread but after going back in forth, I think you try hard to resign him. Assuming we amnesty Boozer, Deng doesn't really limit our flexibility by giving him $12-13 a year. I think holding out for free agents to sign with us is risky and probably not worth it. The only downside is that Deng gets us a few more wins while the tanking process continues.

And a guys like Parker and Wiggins will be fine playing SG. Lebron started as a SG in the league. I do think you sell high on Butler because we won't be able to afford his extension. I also try hard as hell to get back Asik and do away with Noah if we get the chance.

Also, who knows if Mirotic is coming over next year, i'm sure that has a lot to do whether or not we bring back Deng, and for how much.

Butler's extension will be less than Deng's and he currently makes like 10 times less than Deng.. And Butler can actually play both wing positions and is more disruptive of a defender. I'd rather keep Butler long term and try to get a star.

Deng can't play the 2 and 3? Butlers defense isn't that much better than Dengs. Dengs offense is much better than Butlers. Deng can also play more @ the 4 IMO.

Deng could never play the 2. Even going back to the baby bull days when they tried with Noc at the 3. Deng doesn't really play small ball much either. He is pretty much a 3. Butler's defense is better, not that much but I prefer a disruptive type to a passive type. He's more annoying. Deng is very good fundamentaly.

Yes Deng is better offensively but the goal would be to get a better offensive player at the 3. The league is pretty shallow at the 2.

I'd rather have Butler at about half the price long term.

[dmk08]

Butler's extension will be less than Deng's and he currently makes like 10 times less than Deng.. And Butler can actually play both wing positions and is more disruptive of a defender. I'd rather keep Butler long term and try to get a star.

Deng can't play the 2 and 3? Butlers defense isn't that much better than Dengs. Dengs offense is much better than Butlers. Deng can also play more @ the 4 IMO.

Deng could never play the 2. Even going back to the baby bull days when they tried with Noc at the 3. Deng doesn't really play small ball much either. He is pretty much a 3. Butler's defense is better, not that much but I prefer a disruptive type to a passive type. He's more annoying. Deng is very good fundamentaly.

Yes Deng is better offensively but the goal would be to get a better offensive player at the 3. The league is pretty shallow at the 2.

I'd rather have Butler at about half the price long term.

We just have to disagree here. I think Deng is worth twice as much as Butler. I would rather pay Deng 11m than have Butler at 6. And FWIW Jimmy isn't a very good 2 guard. He's Bogans right now.

[TheSuzerain]

That's it.

Garpax is (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

[League Circles]

Why do people think that Jimmy will be on any kind of value contract going forward? If he's allegedly as good or better than Deng as so many people think, why wouldn't he get a similar offer, especially considering the age factor.

IF Butler is as good as Deng, which I don't think he projects to be, shouldn't he get an offer in RFA of at least 10 million a year?

If he doesn't get that, doesn't that indicate he's probably not nearly as good?

[Evil_Headband]

This is just a horrible strategy. A season worth of losing and being stuck in trade rumors isn't going to make Deng feel all warm and cozey about this team. If anything, it'll just make him wonder about other franchises. The Mavs, Cavs, Lakers, or Suns will have interest in him. If the Bulls want him, they need to work out an extension.

I think the core wants to stay together and believes in one another. If the Bulls continue to play bad largely due to injuries, I don't think Deng will lose faith in Rose, Noah, Taj, himself, Thibs and others.

[dmk08]

Why do people think that Jimmy will be on any kind of value contract going forward? If he's allegedly as good or better than Deng as so many people think, why wouldn't he get a similar offer, especially considering the age factor.

IF Butler is as good as Deng, which I don't think he projects to be, shouldn't he get an offer in RFA of at least 10 million a year?

If he doesn't get that, doesn't that indicate he's probably not nearly as good?

Exactly my thoughts!

[danzou]

Why do people think that Jimmy will be on any kind of value contract going forward? If he's allegedly as good or better than Deng as so many people think, why wouldn't he get a similar offer, especially considering the age factor.

IF Butler is as good as Deng, which I don't think he projects to be, shouldn't he get an offer in RFA of at least 10 million a year?

If he doesn't get that, doesn't that indicate he's probably not nearly as good?

Exactly my thoughts!

Jimmy made good progress last year - but he needs to show a lot more grown in his offensive arsenal before he can begin to sniff Deng's jock strap.

[dmk08]

Why do people think that Jimmy will be on any kind of value contract going forward? If he's allegedly as good or better than Deng as so many people think, why wouldn't he get a similar offer, especially considering the age factor.

IF Butler is as good as Deng, which I don't think he projects to be, shouldn't he get an offer in RFA of at least 10 million a year?

If he doesn't get that, doesn't that indicate he's probably not nearly as good?

Exactly my thoughts!

Jimmy made good progress last year - but he needs to show a lot more grown in his offensive arsenal before he can begin to sniff Deng's jock strap.

Yeah Jimmy has not followed up the end of last year like we all hoped. I understand he has been injured but he just looks lost on offense. Definitely not the next Paul George...

[SpinninHouse]

The FO future plan seems very apparent. Re-sign Deng, amnesty Boozer, bring over Mirotic, hope Rose is healthy. I'm on board with this.

So you are on board with fielding a team that is not even remotely close to winning a championship.

I reject your premise. This year's team had a chance if Rose returned to form and they were healthy. Previous Bulls teams with the same core (expect Boozer) managed the #1 seed twice. I don't think next year's team is significantly worse. In fact, if Mirotic performs well and the Bulls' draft pick(s) become good players, they might even be better.

Well, I guess we reject each others premise then. In my opinion, even if healthy this group wasn't coming close to winning a title. But the term "if healthy" is totally irrelevant because this is our fourth consecutive year being destroyed by injuries. At this point, saying "if healthy" is the equivalent as saying "if better."

"If the Bulls players were better at basketball, we'd win the NBA title." We won't because they are not better. We won't because they have never been and never will be healthy. Same thing.

[Hans Embiid]

Overpay him or let him walk for nothing.

That's the Omer Asik way of thinking.

Fire this FO!!!

[HomoSapien]

This is just a horrible strategy. A season worth of losing and being stuck in trade rumors isn't going to make Deng feel all warm and cozey about this team. If anything, it'll just make him wonder about other franchises. The Mavs, Cavs, Lakers, or Suns will have interest in him. If the Bulls want him, they need to work out an extension.

I think the core wants to stay together and believes in one another. If the Bulls continue to play bad largely due to injuries, I don't think Deng will lose faith in Rose, Noah, Taj, himself, Thibs and others.[/quote

He is heading into the last big contract of his career. This is probably the last chance he has to be a top three player on a contender. Is he going to put his faith into Rose's knee or trust the Lakers franchise to build another winner?

[TheGOATRises007]

If the Bulls let Deng walk for nothing, then they're an absolute joke.