Webber: Melo Run from the Bulls

[kyrv]

Webber is usually pretty good with his analysis ....but this one he is simply wrong on ... he's letting the past two seasons influence his opinion instead of looking at factual evidence

I agree and I'm very surprised by his comments. I don't recall Webber ever being so far off base, as you said he's normally pretty good.

Objectively on paper, the Bulls are an awesome team for Melo.

[BobsBurger]

Webber is usually pretty good with his analysis ....but this one he is simply wrong on ... he's letting the past two seasons influence his opinion instead of looking at factual evidence

I agree and I'm very surprised by his comments. I don't recall Webber ever being so far off base, as you said he's normally pretty good.

Objectively on paper, the Bulls are an awesome team for Melo.

He is correct about Thibs not adapting and growing, with how Thibs is he'll never be the best coach in the nba.

[JDizzel3000]

Webber is usually pretty good with his analysis ....but this one he is simply wrong on ... he's letting the past two seasons influence his opinion instead of looking at factual evidence

I agree and I'm very surprised by his comments. I don't recall Webber ever being so far off base, as you said he's normally pretty good.

Objectively on paper, the Bulls are an awesome team for Melo.

He is correct about Thibs not adapting and growing, with how Thibs is he'll never be the best coach in the nba.

i think this is point is clearly overstated ....he's adapted to the talent around him changing every year pretty well imo ... like every great coach should.... he coaches to his personnel's strengths ... we haven't had a lot of good offensive players on this team ... its just really that simple ... you give him guys like parker ginobili and duncan and you would get different results ..... i dont understand people who believe coaches can turn water into wine

[the ultimates]

Webber is usually pretty good with his analysis ....but this one he is simply wrong on ... he's letting the past two seasons influence his opinion instead of looking at factual evidence

I agree and I'm very surprised by his comments. I don't recall Webber ever being so far off base, as you said he's normally pretty good.

Objectively on paper, the Bulls are an awesome team for Melo.

He is correct about Thibs not adapting and growing, with how Thibs is he'll never be the best coach in the nba.

That's false he completely changed the offense and had it revolve around the passing skills of Noah. People will counter with how bad the Bulls offensive numbers were but then they pay lip service to the fact they were missing Derrick. Even though Rose wasn't playing well just his presence on the floor means guys get better shots.

[MrSparkle]

2010-12 Bulls offense looked pretty damn good to me, considering there were 3-4 good offensive players in the 9-man rotation (only 2-3 saw the floor simultaneously).

Thibs was the one who told Deng to start shooting 3's (modernize his game), and he wanted Redick or Korver.

Before Rose went down, and before Marco/Nate walked, commentators always praised how good the Bulls plays were out of timeouts. Wonder how evolutionary Pops' offense would look if Buford gave him Hinrich-DJ/Dunleavy/Butler/Boozer-Taj/Noah. Sure we'd be seeing all 7 of those guys dribbling and passing their way to easy baskets.

Webber's a dummy. Bulls are the only team where Melo can play 30 mpg, relax a bit, and win games, because he'll have 4 guys on the floor playing defense out of their damn mind the whole night. If he wants to keep losing, he can go to offensive-oriented team with a bunch of dodo brains who look and yell at their teammates for blowing their own defensive assignments. I say this sincerely, but if Melo chooses another spot over Chicago, given the way this summer's FA looks like, it'll mean he's not that serious about wanting to win championships. The only superior option would be teaming up with Lebron, somewhere where there's money for the rest of the roster (BIG Bosh/Wade paycuts, or somewhere else).

[Shill]

Chris Webber is 100% correct. It is evident by how this bulls team establish spacing on offense. They just half ass everything. They got some players who have no idea how to space the floor properly. They have some guys just floating around he arc doing nothing, not even in a good position to catch and shoot. They have guys who arent sure whether to cut to the basket or stay put in the perimeter, resulting in even **** spacing. You shouldnt look further than the pathetic spacing the bulls play with every game.

NBA is evolving. You cant just play defense and win. You need to push the ball on transition and shoot the 3 ball well. Tom Thibodeau is stuck in the early 2000s building his team based on david robinson/tim duncan led spurs. Its not gonna turn out good for this team if this continues.

I hate that people keep bringing up their offensive rating in 10-11 and 11-12 season. They were efficient purely because they played with slow pace and were dominant on the offensive boards. They were nothing special on the half court or in the clutch. Their last 5 minutes gameplan consisted of derrick rose dribbling the ball for 20 seconds. And playing grinding defense on the other end.

I disagree with almost everything you said, but the part in bold is especially curious. Thibs can't magically turn players into good three-point shooters and ball-handlers.

[mrlancers]

I think what's important with Thibs is give him depth to use. This team has been paper thin the last two years. I believe as of now they have the MLE and Room Exception for this summer. They can easily get 10 quality players to fill this roster up for next year. No more Radmanovics and Shengalias. He's not gonna play those guys unless the team's up by 30 points or he's drunk.

[kyrv]

Webber is usually pretty good with his analysis ....but this one he is simply wrong on ... he's letting the past two seasons influence his opinion instead of looking at factual evidence

I agree and I'm very surprised by his comments. I don't recall Webber ever being so far off base, as you said he's normally pretty good.

Objectively on paper, the Bulls are an awesome team for Melo.

He is correct about Thibs not adapting and growing, with how Thibs is he'll never be the best coach in the nba.

You and Webber forgot to mention that Thibs is a better coach already than any of the other teams Melo is considering.

You think McHale is growing and will be the best coach in the NBA? Come on.

[kyrv]

I think what's important with Thibs is give him depth to use. This team has been paper thin the last two years. I believe as of now they have the MLE and Room Exception for this summer. They can easily get 10 quality players to fill this roster up for next year. No more Radmanovics and Shengalias. He's not gonna play those guys unless the team's up by 30 points or he's drunk.

Not just depth - depth he will play. Not always the same thing unfortunately.

[NecessaryEvil]

I agree and I'm very surprised by his comments. I don't recall Webber ever being so far off base, as you said he's normally pretty good.

Objectively on paper, the Bulls are an awesome team for Melo.

He is correct about Thibs not adapting and growing, with how Thibs is he'll never be the best coach in the nba.

You and Webber forgot to mention that Thibs is a better coach already than any of the other teams Melo is considering.

You think McHale is growing and will be the best coach in the NBA? Come on.

If the team can make a commitment to buy into the defensive end going forward, with Melo in the fold, Mchale doesn't have to be.

Their talent will trump all if their D catches up to their O

[the ultimates]

He is correct about Thibs not adapting and growing, with how Thibs is he'll never be the best coach in the nba.

You and Webber forgot to mention that Thibs is a better coach already than any of the other teams Melo is considering.

You think McHale is growing and will be the best coach in the NBA? Come on.

If the team can make a commitment to buy into the defensive end going forward, with Melo in the fold, Mchale doesn't have to be.

Their talent will trump all if their D catches up to their O

They have to have some defensive minded players. They only have three in Beverly, Asik and Howard. Howard and Asik can't play effectively together. Carmelo is lazy on the defensive end and wrecks a scheme if you have to play him at PF. Harden we have seen repeatedly doesn't give a damn about defense or doing anything that doesn't involve having the ball in his hands.

[jl342323]

I disagree with almost everything you said, but the part in bold is especially curious. Thibs can't magically turn players into good three-point shooters and ball-handlers.

Do you think bulls have good floor spacing?

how does pushing the ball and playing faster paced game correlate to having good ball handling? Do you think nba players dont have enough handle to push the ball in transition?

Teams get easier/better quality looks when they attack opposing defenses in transition. The bulls never look to take advantage in transition because they are content on wasting time and making every game defensive struggle.

[NecessaryEvil]

You and Webber forgot to mention that Thibs is a better coach already than any of the other teams Melo is considering.

You think McHale is growing and will be the best coach in the NBA? Come on.

If the team can make a commitment to buy into the defensive end going forward, with Melo in the fold, Mchale doesn't have to be.

Their talent will trump all if their D catches up to their O

They have to have some defensive minded players. They only have three in Beverly, Asik and Howard. Howard and Asik can't play effectively together. Carmelo is lazy on the defensive end and wrecks a scheme if you have to play him at PF. Harden we have seen repeatedly doesn't give a damn about defense or doing anything that doesn't involve having the ball in his hands.

Which is why I said they need to buy in. It's the next step in their progression. If Harden shows he still doesn't care on that end then they'll never go anywhere. I think Melo is much more willing at this point of his career. Great offense can keep you in ANY ball game but defense is needed to truly win that gold ball. Still, you need great offense period. You're not holding a team like San Antonio to 80 ppg in a series. I'm looking at you Thomas Thibs

[Shill]

I disagree with almost everything you said, but the part in bold is especially curious. Thibs can't magically turn players into good three-point shooters and ball-handlers.

Do you think bulls have good floor spacing?

how does pushing the ball and playing faster paced game correlate to having good ball handling? Do you think nba players dont have enough handle to push the ball in transition?

Teams get easier/better quality looks when they attack opposing defenses in transition. The bulls never look to take advantage in transition because they are content on wasting time and making every game defensive struggle.

Spacing is dictated by the players on the floor. If you have versatile players who can shoot/drive/pass, you're going to have good spacing. If you don't, teams are going to muck up the middle of the floor.

Pushing the ball in transition and actually getting a quality shot AND being able to finish are not directly proportional. For example, Luol Deng was a pretty awful ball handler and passer. How many times did we see him fumble the ball or make the wrong read on a break?

And playing at a faster pace does not guarantee better offense. The Lakers were 2nd in pace, and 21st in offensive rating.

Quality offense has always been and always will be about offensive talent.

[gstephanopulos]

Webber is usually pretty good with his analysis ....but this one he is simply wrong on ... he's letting the past two seasons influence his opinion instead of looking at factual evidence

I agree and I'm very surprised by his comments. I don't recall Webber ever being so far off base, as you said he's normally pretty good.

Objectively on paper, the Bulls are an awesome team for Melo.

Well, he was shouting 'throw the analitics off the window' after LMA was destroying Rockets with the mid-range jumpers. Which in fact may have been equaly dumber since Potland is one of the most smartest teams in the league and relay the most on 3pt shooting.

[Axl Rose]

Do you think bulls have good floor spacing?

poor spacing is a personnel problem not a thibs problem

you gotta players that can shoot to have spacing otherwise teams will just sag off

[DaeDae]

Do you think bulls have good floor spacing?

poor spacing is a personnel problem not a thibs problem

you gotta players that can shoot to have spacing otherwise teams will just sag off

Keith Bogans + Joakim Noah = Bad Spacing.
Keith Bogans + Joakim Noah + Taj Gibson = Bad Spacing
Jimmy Butler + Joakim Noah = Bad Spacing
Jimmy Butler + Joakim Noah + Taj Gibson = Bad Spacing.

The problem is personnel.

In three of the four years here, we've had two starters and a 6th man who really didn't shoot all that well. You can't space the floor without floor spacers.

[Chitownbulls]

We need to stop trying to turn defensive players into offensive players. Bring in some offensive players for once.

[Chitownbulls]

Do you think bulls have good floor spacing?

poor spacing is a personnel problem not a thibs problem

you gotta players that can shoot to have spacing otherwise teams will just sag off

Keith Bogans + Joakim Noah = Bad Spacing.
Keith Bogans + Joakim Noah + Taj Gibson = Bad Spacing
Jimmy Butler + Joakim Noah = Bad Spacing
Jimmy Butler + Joakim Noah + Taj Gibson = Bad Spacing.

The problem is personnel.

In three of the four years here, we've had two starters and a 6th man who really didn't shoot all that well. You can't space the floor without floor spacers.

Bingo!

[dougthonus]

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He is correct about Thibs not adapting and growing, with how Thibs is he'll never be the best coach in the nba.

Just a hint, Kevin McHale, who ran one of the most simplistic offenses in the league will also not ever be the best coach in the NBA. On top of that, he will never be as good a coach as Tom Thibodeau.