The Zach Lavine Problem

[BahamaBull]

Derrick Rose was pretty amazing before the ACL wasn't he?

He was amazing after the ACL recovery and before the meniscus tear against Portland. Remember all the dunks and acrobatic layups he was displaying in the preseason and those 9 regular season games before the meniscus tear?

It was the meniscus tear that affected his athleticism and quickness more than his ACL tear did. Remember how he rarely dunked, and when he did, it was off two feet, after he recovered from his meniscus injury?

Lavine will be fine, just like Jamal Crawford has been fine with a long, productive career after tearing his ACL back in 2001.

You are right...He was amazing during pre season...Amazing...But as soon as the season started he sucked...His very 1st game against the heat he sucked...couldn't buy a basket...

[FecesOfDeath]

Derrick Rose was pretty amazing before the ACL wasn't he?

He was amazing after the ACL recovery and before the meniscus tear against Portland. Remember all the dunks and acrobatic layups he was displaying in the preseason and those 9 regular season games before the meniscus tear?

It was the meniscus tear that affected his athleticism and quickness more than his ACL tear did. Remember how he rarely dunked, and when he did, it was off two feet, after he recovered from his meniscus injury?

Lavine will be fine, just like Jamal Crawford has been fine with a long, productive career after tearing his ACL back in 2001.

You are right...He was amazing during pre season...Amazing...But as soon as the season started he sucked...His very 1st game against the heat he sucked...couldn't buy a basket...

He was still the same amazing athlete that we knew prior to the ACL tear. Never said he was amazing in terms of player performance.

[FriedRise]

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What was his original timeline? Are we talking about around AS break?

[D_GoLow]

Bring him along slowly...if he proves he's fully recovered and productive he'll be a nice building piece with Porter

[TheGOATRises007]

Derrick Rose was pretty amazing before the ACL wasn't he?

He was amazing after the ACL recovery and before the meniscus tear against Portland. Remember all the dunks and acrobatic layups he was displaying in the preseason and those 9 regular season games before the meniscus tear?

It was the meniscus tear that affected his athleticism and quickness more than his ACL tear did. Remember how he rarely dunked, and when he did, it was off two feet, after he recovered from his meniscus injury?

Lavine will be fine, just like Jamal Crawford has been fine with a long, productive career after tearing his ACL back in 2001.

There were clear signs of athletic decline even before his 1st meniscus tear.

The ACL tear did its damage. The subsequent meniscus tears just confirmed the damage.

[IcemanGervin]

Minnesota people are glowing about Dunn and LaVine's work ethics so there is that. I've seen the gym rats term multiple times now.

[IcemanGervin]

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What was his original timeline? Are we talking about around AS break?

Normal timetable is 9 months, which would be sometime in November

[Ralphb07]

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Hearing around December

[Paxson43]

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Rubio was saying based in his own rehab that LaVine is ahead of schedule.

I agree though, slow play it. Typical ACL surgeries can take anywhere from 9 to 12 months.

Theoretically he can be back by November or December. I'm sure he'll be chomping at the bit, comes out of contract after the 18-19 season.

[Ralphb07]

As much as I loved the guy not everyone is Derrick Rose. Lavine is young and has improved each season which is a plus. Defense may be an issue but offensively the kid is gifted. How many freak athletes can stroke it like he can? He can also handle the Ball. Even though he had ACL surgery, his shooting makes it a bit different imo. That's not going no where

[TheSuzerain]

Lavine's perceived value is his offense.

Yet for all 3 of his seasons in the league, his team has performed worse offensively when he is in the game.

Why is that?

[TheGOATRises007]

Lavine's perceived value is his offense.

Yet for all 3 of his seasons in the league, his team has performed worse offensively when he is in the game.

Why is that?

Why does no one ask this questions to GarPax?

Would love to see their answer. Probably something idiotic.

I've never felt more down as a Bulls fan in all my years following the team.

[Sotaballer21]

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Hey Bulls fans!
I come in peace.
I thought you'd like this video of Lavine.

I will be keeping a close eye on the Bulls like usual. I hope Lavine, Dunn and Lauri all pan out for you.

Zach is a relentless worker and is constantly in the gym. He is a very talented player who is still getting better.
His defense has to get better but he has all the tools to do so.

Best of luck this season and the coming years!

[Dominator83]

Not that our F.O.s evaluating skills is good, but they must be very high on him. On ESPN radio they were saying that Thibs offer was Rubio instead of lavine, and that's where having to include #16 came in.

Also, you really can't fully compare him with Rose. Rose's game was almost solely built on freak athleticism. His shooting skills were below average. Lavine can shoot it like Devin Booker.

[Dan Z]

I was hoping he'd be flipped for a draft pick or two, but it seems like he's here to stay. My guess is he'll be evaluated next season and if he's solid then he'll get an extension.

[fleet]

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What was his original timeline? Are we talking about around AS break?

Normal timetable is 9 months, which would be sometime in November

No word on comfort and business meetings concerns. The Bulls are learning

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[nitetrain8603]

Lavine's perceived value is his offense.

Yet for all 3 of his seasons in the league, his team has performed worse offensively when he is in the game.

Why is that?

Why does no one ask this questions to GarPax?

Would love to see their answer. Probably something idiotic.

I've never felt more down as a Bulls fan in all my years following the team.

When it came to Dunn, Paxson admitted that Dunn had a bad year last year, but said he hopes in the Bulls new up tempo offense, that it would be more free flowing and allow for Dunn to thrive. Basically, pulling the blame game on Thibs' offense again, completely ignoring the fact that point guards thrive in his system.

Pax also was on his BS indicating that Dunn will be playing multiple positions. (I hate that whole, let's play a PG at SG regardless if that guy has never played that position before)

[Mech Engineer]

I am not concerned with Zach's offense. That might come back but I am concerned with his defense. He is already known to be an average defender and if his lateral movement is impacted, his ability to guard quick offensive movers whether it is lightning quick PGs or moving quickly on screens is going to be a problem. And, on top of it, you have the mastermind of defense(Hoiberg) teaching him defense on a young team. That is an invitation for bad habits on defense.

We talk of Jamal Crawford as someone who recovered from an ACL injury. But, Jamal has never been a starter type 2-way player and maybe he would have been one if he never had the ACL injury. You don't want Lavine to become the next Jamal. That is a player you can always get in a trade/free agency.

[Chi town]

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What was his original timeline? Are we talking about around AS break?

Hearing around December

Which is perfect. Let Val start next to Dunn for the first 15 games.

[DarthDiggler69]

Zach played 6 minutes even AFTER he tore his ACL!!! I dont know his diagnosis but maybe it wasn't fully torn

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