Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[Chi town]

Lets not tie up more big money in players who don't significantly move the needle towards championship contention. Tobias Harris and Otto fn Porter don't move that needle.

Accumulate assets, stay flexible, bide your time till a difference maker is available and then swoop in.

People haven’t been watching Tobias. Clipps are in 1st. He is playing extremely well. His D is solid too. He’s def not a negative defensive player. He’s a grinder that gets better every year and he’s only 26.

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Lets not tie up more big money in players who don't significantly move the needle towards championship contention. Tobias Harris and Otto fn Porter don't move that needle.

Accumulate assets, stay flexible, bide your time till a difference maker is available and then swoop in.

People haven’t been watching Tobias. Clipps are in 1st. He is playing extremely well. His D is solid too. He’s def not a negative defensive player. He’s a grinder that gets better every year and he’s only 26.

That's fine. He's going to get paid like a difference maker. He's not one. We can't afford to have our cap tied up with good not great players like Zach and Tobias.

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He's value plummeted so much recently I dont think he is even a neutral asset for Philly.
I would offer them Payne+ Portis but they would have to give a 2nd back.
A blockbuster trade I truly want is Dunn Portis Holiday for Fultz, Smith.

[rtblues]

Forget Oubre, he's been a guy that everyone expected to "break-out" for the past two years, but he hasn't.
Granted he's only 22, and in a nightmare scenario in WAS, but I wouldn't spend money/assets for that guy.
They can do better, someone used the term "treadmill trade", yeah, it would apply here. No projects please, players!

Look for players who contribute towards winning and affect the game on both ends or why bother.
Anything less are just guys with fundamental weaknesses who become liabilities on one end of the court.
Really tired of these types. Look around at the really good rosters in this league and you will find this at play.

One-way, one-dimensional players are just frustrating and will never get you 'there'. Oh, and enough with the
"selfish chucker/hero-ball" types too. Get guys who share the ball and understand ball movement.

It's all about creating open looks for threes today, guys like Parker, Blakeney, Holiday don't fit into this.
WCJ, he does.

[Chi town]

Forget Oubre, he's been a guy that everyone expected to "break-out" for the past two years, but he hasn't.
Granted he's only 22, and in a nightmare scenario in WAS, but I wouldn't spend money/assets for that guy.
They can do better, someone used the term "treadmill trade", yeah, it would apply here. No projects please, players!

Look for players who contribute towards winning and affect the game on both ends or why bother.
Anything less are just guys with fundamental weaknesses who become liabilities on one end of the court.
Really tired of these types. Look around at the really good rosters in this league and you will find this at play.

One-way, one-dimensional players are just frustrating and will never get you 'there'. Oh, and enough with the
"selfish chucker/hero-ball" types too. Get guys who share the ball and understand ball movement.

It's all about creating open looks for threes today, guys like Parker, Blakeney, Holiday don't fit into this.
WCJ, he does.

Yep. Oubre is an empty stats chucked.

So who are these players you describe?

I think tobias in fa or Warren via trade both upgrade us big time.

[panthermark]

What's the obsession with Tobias? We really need another bad defender? Otto Porter is a much better fit between Zach and Lauri.

I tend to agree, but I'm not sure that Porter isn't himself more a 4 than a 3 in the current NBA. Harris is too, though. Bulls should be looking for a true wing 3, a guy who is a better fit at the 2 than he is at the 4.

I've seen chatter about Porter as a stretch 4. I get that he played PF at times, but technically so has Deng. Porter played PF because Markieff Morris isn't a very good PF (his numbers look like a SF, not a PF), so the team was just as good (if not better) going small with Porter. That was more a function of the team than the position he plays. I'd say his best defensive position would be SF. He is listed at 6'8", 198 pounds. That is 1 inch shorter and 14 pounds lighter than Tayshaun Prince....or 1 inch taller and one pound heavier than Hutch. If your position is the one that you defend, he is a 3 that can defend bigger 2/3's (like Butler, Kawhi, and Demar). On this team, in practice, I would have Porter defending Zach, not Lauri.

[panthermark]

Lets not tie up more big money in players who don't significantly move the needle towards championship contention. Tobias Harris and Otto fn Porter don't move that needle.

Accumulate assets, stay flexible, bide your time till a difference maker is available and then swoop in.

People haven’t been watching Tobias. Clipps are in 1st. He is playing extremely well. His D is solid too. He’s def not a negative defensive player. He’s a grinder that gets better every year and he’s only 26.

That's fine. He's going to get paid like a difference maker. He's not one. We can't afford to have our cap tied up with good not great players like Zach and Tobias.

In theory you are 100% correct.
But here is an ugly reality check.
Name the last "great player" (in his prime) the Bulls signed as a free agent.
For whatever reason, we don't get it done in that area. If we don't draft them or trade for them (and we usually hold on to our own drafted players too long), we don't get them.

We are not even on AD's list.

[Ayman78]

Who is the best possible SF available for the Bulls to make a realistic trade for?

[kozelkid]

Who is the best possible SF available for the Bulls to make a realistic trade for?

Harrison Barnes or Otto Porter, i.e. slightly above average SF's who had high ceilings and also are overpaid as a result.

Unless we're able to land Kemba Walker this summer or Kris Dunn proves he's more than an average role player, a player I'd look into trading for would be Mike Conley. In the process we could possibly unload Felicio's contract and give them Portis maybe?

I think he'd be a great vet and an ideal type of player to help our young guys (Lavine, WCJ, Lauri, and our future lottery pick) develop offensively while lessening the ballhandling responsibilities. Plus, by then, we'd only have to deal with 2 years of that contract. And by the time he's off the books, if our young guys develop well, then I think we can maybe serious players in free agency.

[Dez]

Who is the best possible SF available for the Bulls to make a realistic trade for?

Harrison Barnes or Otto Porter, i.e. slightly above average SF's who had high ceilings and also are overpaid as a result.

Unless we're able to land Kemba Walker this summer or Kris Dunn proves he's more than an average role player, a player I'd look into trading for would be Mike Conley. In the process we could possibly unload Felicio's contract and give them Portis maybe?

I think he'd be a great vet and an ideal type of player to help our young guys (Lavine, WCJ, Lauri, and our future lottery pick) develop offensively while lessening the ballhandling responsibilities. Plus, by then, we'd only have to deal with 2 years of that contract. And by the time he's off the books, if our young guys develop well, then I think we can maybe serious players in free agency.

Mike Conley is a very good player, however no way in hell should he ever wear a Bulls uniform.

30M this season, 32M next season and 34M the season after, absolutely no way.

[Ayman78]

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Who is the best possible SF available for the Bulls to make a realistic trade for?

Harrison Barnes or Otto Porter, i.e. slightly above average SF's who had high ceilings and also are overpaid as a result.

Unless we're able to land Kemba Walker this summer or Kris Dunn proves he's more than an average role player, a player I'd look into trading for would be Mike Conley. In the process we could possibly unload Felicio's contract and give them Portis maybe?

I think he'd be a great vet and an ideal type of player to help our young guys (Lavine, WCJ, Lauri, and our future lottery pick) develop offensively while lessening the ballhandling responsibilities. Plus, by then, we'd only have to deal with 2 years of that contract. And by the time he's off the books, if our young guys develop well, then I think we can maybe serious players in free agency.

If you're willing to take on Conley's contract would you be willing to take John Wall's contract? He would provide a lot more stability to the point Guard position for the Bulls.

[kozelkid]

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Who is the best possible SF available for the Bulls to make a realistic trade for?

Harrison Barnes or Otto Porter, i.e. slightly above average SF's who had high ceilings and also are overpaid as a result.

Unless we're able to land Kemba Walker this summer or Kris Dunn proves he's more than an average role player, a player I'd look into trading for would be Mike Conley. In the process we could possibly unload Felicio's contract and give them Portis maybe?

I think he'd be a great vet and an ideal type of player to help our young guys (Lavine, WCJ, Lauri, and our future lottery pick) develop offensively while lessening the ballhandling responsibilities. Plus, by then, we'd only have to deal with 2 years of that contract. And by the time he's off the books, if our young guys develop well, then I think we can maybe serious players in free agency.

If you're willing to take on Conley's contract would you be willing to take John Wall's contract? He would provide a lot more stability to the point Guard position for the Bulls.

Na. For one, Wall's contract is 2 years longer and much larger. Additionally, with the problems going on in the Wizards and the role he has had, I'd hardly consider him as bringing stability. He doesn't seem to care and I think would be a poor model for our young guys. And finally, despite being in the league for more than 7 years, he still has yet to learn to shoot consistently and still can't properly function in a half-court setting.

[kozelkid]

Who is the best possible SF available for the Bulls to make a realistic trade for?

Harrison Barnes or Otto Porter, i.e. slightly above average SF's who had high ceilings and also are overpaid as a result.

Unless we're able to land Kemba Walker this summer or Kris Dunn proves he's more than an average role player, a player I'd look into trading for would be Mike Conley. In the process we could possibly unload Felicio's contract and give them Portis maybe?

I think he'd be a great vet and an ideal type of player to help our young guys (Lavine, WCJ, Lauri, and our future lottery pick) develop offensively while lessening the ballhandling responsibilities. Plus, by then, we'd only have to deal with 2 years of that contract. And by the time he's off the books, if our young guys develop well, then I think we can maybe serious players in free agency.

Mike Conley is a very good player, however no way in hell should he ever wear a Bulls uniform.

30M this season, 32M next season and 34M the season after, absolutely no way.

Well, I'd likely wait until this summer, so I can live with only 2 years. Especially considering we aren't likely to be a free agent destination for the next 2 seasons and the cap will only continue to increase. The way I see it, these next 2 seasons it's either a guy like Conley or we waste cap on mediocrity like Jabari.

[panthermark]

Yup. Barnes and Porter are good examples. Above average 3&D SF's that are paid like stars. They are "+ role players".
But, realistically we are not getting anyone that moves the needle in free agency, and we gave a gaping hole (phrasing) at SF....and we have a $20M contract in Parker that can be traded in about 3 weeks....soooo....yeah. I lean Porter only because I know he is on the block...and he is still fairly young (25...will turn 26 in June).

The jury is still out on our PG. I'm not sure if Dunn is the PG of the future, the back-up PG of the future, or trade fodder. Assuming Dunn is at least a "starter" level PG, I would still love a vet PG or combo guard off the bench.

[Chi town]

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Who is the best possible SF available for the Bulls to make a realistic trade for?

Harrison Barnes or Otto Porter, i.e. slightly above average SF's who had high ceilings and also are overpaid as a result.

Unless we're able to land Kemba Walker this summer or Kris Dunn proves he's more than an average role player, a player I'd look into trading for would be Mike Conley. In the process we could possibly unload Felicio's contract and give them Portis maybe?

I think he'd be a great vet and an ideal type of player to help our young guys (Lavine, WCJ, Lauri, and our future lottery pick) develop offensively while lessening the ballhandling responsibilities. Plus, by then, we'd only have to deal with 2 years of that contract. And by the time he's off the books, if our young guys develop well, then I think we can maybe serious players in free agency.

If you're willing to take on Conley's contract would you be willing to take John Wall's contract? He would provide a lot more stability to the point Guard position for the Bulls.

Wall has the worst contract in the league and his extension hasn’t even kicked in yet... 40, 42, 43, 44, 46.... Dunn makes his teammates better too IMO.

[Chi town]

Yup. Barnes and Porter are good examples. Above average 3&D SF's that are paid like stars. They are "+ role players".
But, realistically we are not getting anyone that moves the needle in free agency, and we gave a gaping hole (phrasing) at SF....and we have a $20M contract in Parker that can be traded in about 3 weeks....soooo....yeah. I lean Porter only because I know he is on the block...and he is still fairly young (25...will turn 26 in June).

The jury is still out on our PG. I'm not sure if Dunn is the PG of the future, the back-up PG of the future, or trade fodder. Assuming Dunn is at least a "starter" level PG, I would still love a vet PG or combo guard off the bench.

1. I think Arch is that vet even though he’s young.

2. Dallas won’t be trading Barnes. They are looking to win so they don’t convey a great pick.

3. I’m down for a Jabari Felicio or even Portis and Felicio for Otto trade. He fits well and is overpaid but he’s a lot better than Chuck Holiday and we get to dump Felicio.

4. I dont think there is an option in FA as they will all resign.

Drafting a SF like DeAndre Hunter and trading for Otto would solidify our wing position.

Dunn/Arch
Lavine/Chuck/Val
Otto/Hutch/Pick
Lauri/Portis
WCJ/Lauri

[Chi town]

BTW with the cap rising so much you will see 20-24M be a normal contract for a non all star starter.

Factor in we get to dump Felicio’s 8M per for 2 years and we are really only paying Otto 14-16M for 2 years of his 3 year deal.

[Chi town]

No way JR is payingvthat Otto contract...

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/washington-wizards/otto-porter-jr-13316/

27M and 28M next two seasons. 15% Trade Kicker.

Middleton and Tobias will probably get close to that this offseason.. but they are much better players too.

[R3AL1TY]

The Bulls should stay out of trades for these overpaid role players IMO. Only trade for all-stars or superstars if a deal is there. Otherwise, make trades for rookie contracts or contracts about to expire with a draft pick.