OT: COVID-19 thread #3

[the ultimates]

So wait a minute are people actually trying to trust the COVID-19 numbers Florida is releasing? LOL

[musiqsoulchild]

I believe the top 10 states in COVID deaths are all run by Democratic governors. And a significant majority of COVID deaths are in democratic congressional districts.

How someone can use that reality to paint a picture that it's those damn Republican rednecks that are screwing up the COVID response is astonishing.

By the way, anyone who uses case counts as the most meaningful measure of comparison should not be taken seriously on this issue.

That is directly correlated to population densities.

You know...big cities?

The reason why Republican states are lagging the rest in COVID cases is also because of population density. It took longer to spread.

They could have avoided it by staying their ass home and using masks. But...Freedom, Liberty etc etc

[dice]

the first reported infections were in blue states. thus, infections were spreading there before anywhere else. is that a function of leadership or geography? pretty obvious answer

testing was sparse in the early days of the pandemic. failure of democratic leadership? hardly

first spread of infections + lack of testing = unavoidable blue state double whammy

first states to impose lockdowns were blue states. red states reluctantly pulled up the rear when they could no longer avoid the reality of the situation. obvious leadership differences there

first states to loosen restrictions were red states, following the lead of a birther party president who has downplayed a PANDEMIC at nearly every opportunity. these states also have substantially higher numbers of individuals who refuse to take the very basic precaution of wearing masks in public. clear gap in leadership/response here as well

we all know full well what could be done to improve the current national embarrassment. it's much harder to determine what blue state governors could have done markedly better early in the pandemic. the EU didn't perform any better in the early stages. but they sure are now

finally, you can find examples of democrats making ill-advised public statements about the pandemic. but on the birther side it's a smorgasbord of stupidity. led by the orange menace, dip**** don. i would not be surprised if over 95% of the irresponsible public statements regarding COVID-19 have come from the birther side. the latest example: herman cain tweets a link about s. dakota's governor not requiring social distancing at the july 4 trump rally, saying "masks will not be mandatory...PEOPLE ARE FED UP!" hours later he was hospitalized for COVID-19. turns out he was at the trump rally in tulsa 9 days earlier...without a mask, of course:

[Dresden]

I believe the top 10 states in COVID deaths are all run by Democratic governors. And a significant majority of COVID deaths are in democratic congressional districts.

How someone can use that reality to paint a picture that it's those damn Republican rednecks that are screwing up the COVID response is astonishing.

By the way, anyone who uses case counts as the most meaningful measure of comparison should not be taken seriously on this issue.

I guess the thing is, the early outbreaks were mainly in big cities, that had a lot of travel either to China or Europe. And death rates were high because we weren't prepared for it, didn't know how to treat it, didn't know best how to contain it. Now we know a lot more about those things. So with this second wave, hopefully everyone will handle it better than the first wave, and take the necessary steps to knock it down again. Which I think they are- I see a lot of places now requiring mask wearing, I see places setting curfews and pushing back re-openings, etc. Let's just hope that we don't see the same kind of death toll that we saw from the first wave. Above all, we know that we have to be especially protective of older folks, and those in nursing homes.

[lemonmellow]

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[dice]

-new cases began their increase around june 10
-hospitalizations began increasing around june 20
-brief death count bump around june 30 due to delayed reporting. if count doesn't turn up over the next 2 weeks it probably never will again

https://covidtracking.com/data

[dice]

I believe the top 10 states in COVID deaths are all run by Democratic governors. And a significant majority of COVID deaths are in democratic congressional districts.

How someone can use that reality to paint a picture that it's those damn Republican rednecks that are screwing up the COVID response is astonishing.

By the way, anyone who uses case counts as the most meaningful measure of comparison should not be taken seriously on this issue.

That is directly correlated to population densities.

You know...big cities?

The reason why Republican states are lagging the rest in COVID cases is also because of population density. It took longer to spread.

They could have avoided it by staying their ass home and using masks. But...Freedom, Liberty etc etc

also, the most densely populated cities tend to have larger minority populations. minorities are both more likely to have underlying health conditions and less likely to have access to quality health care...because america has a terrible health care system...because of conservative politicians

90 most populous american cities, ranked by population density (residents per square mile):

28,211 New York, New York
18,581 San Francisco, California
17,860 Jersey City, New Jersey
13,943 Boston, Massachusetts
12,645 Miami, Florida
12,256 Santa Ana, California
11,883 Chicago, Illinois
11,692 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
11,648 Newark, New Jersey
11,158 Washington, District of Columbia
9,348 Long Beach, California
8,484 Los Angeles, California
8,391 Seattle, Washington
7,664 Minneapolis, Minnesota
7,594 Baltimore, Maryland
7,528 Oakland, California
7,043 Anaheim, California
6,362 Buffalo, New York
6,191 Milwaukee, Wisconsin
5,818 St. Paul, Minnesota
5,813 Urban Honolulu, Hawaii
5,808 San Jose, California
5,484 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
5,383 Chula Vista, California
5,058 Sacramento, California
5,030 St. Louis, Missouri
4,979 Stockton, California
4,965 Cleveland, Ohio
4,849 Detroit, Michigan
4,795 Portland, Oregon
4,663 Fresno, California
4,660 Las Vegas, Nevada
4,530 Denver, Colorado
4,529 Norfolk, Virginia
4,326 San Diego, California
4,227 St. Petersburg, Florida
4,100 Glendale, Arizona
4,096 Arlington, Texas
4,025 Irvine, California
4,002 Riverside, California
3,996 Plano, Texas
3,960 Columbus, Ohio
3,870 Dallas, Texas
3,842 Houston, Texas
3,842 Chandler, Arizona
3,834 Cincinnati, Ohio
3,551 Mesa, Arizona
3,549 Atlanta, Georgia
3,517 Omaha, Nebraska
3,452 Toledo, Ohio
3,326 Tampa, Florida
3,289 Madison, Wisconsin
3,238 San Antonio, Texas
3,211 Raleigh, North Carolina
3,182 Austin, Texas
3,146 Lincoln, Nebraska
3,126 Phoenix, Arizona
2,979 Albuquerque, New Mexico
2,892 Laredo, Texas
2,829 Charlotte, North Carolina
2,719 Henderson, Nevada
2,707 Orlando, Florida
2,676 El Paso, Texas
2,648 Bakersfield, California
2,513 Fort Worth, Texas
2,450 Durham, North Carolina
2,448 Wichita, Kansas
2,391 Colorado Springs, Colorado
2,391 Fort Wayne, Indiana
2,381 Reno, Nevada
2,366 Indianapolis, Indiana
2,355 North Las Vegas, Nevada
2,341 Tucson, Arizona
2,338 Aurora, Colorado
2,311 New Orleans, Louisiana
2,269 Greensboro, North Carolina
2,072 Memphis, Tennessee
2,063 Lubbock, Texas
2,049 Tulsa, Oklahoma
2,028 Corpus Christi, Texas
1,895 Louisville, Kentucky
1,829 Winston-Salem, North Carolina
1,818 Virginia Beach, Virginia
1,529 Kansas City, Missouri
1,390 Nashville, Tennessee
1,341 Scottsdale, Arizona
1,179 Jacksonville, Florida
1,123 Lexington, Kentucky
1,053 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
175 Anchorage, Alaska

cities that are neither red nor blue have political party of governor different from political party state voted for for president

[musiqsoulchild]

I believe the top 10 states in COVID deaths are all run by Democratic governors. And a significant majority of COVID deaths are in democratic congressional districts.

How someone can use that reality to paint a picture that it's those damn Republican rednecks that are screwing up the COVID response is astonishing.

By the way, anyone who uses case counts as the most meaningful measure of comparison should not be taken seriously on this issue.

That is directly correlated to population densities.

You know...big cities?

The reason why Republican states are lagging the rest in COVID cases is also because of population density. It took longer to spread.

They could have avoided it by staying their ass home and using masks. But...Freedom, Liberty etc etc

also, the most densely populated cities tend to have larger minority population. and minorities are both more likely to have underlying health conditions and less likely to have access to quality health care...because america has a terrible health care system...because of conservative politicians

90 most populous american cities, ranked by population density (residents per square mile):

28,211 New York, New York
18,581 San Francisco, California
17,860 Jersey City, New Jersey
13,943 Boston, Massachusetts
12,645 Miami, Florida
12,256 Santa Ana, California
11,883 Chicago, Illinois
11,692 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
11,648 Newark, New Jersey
11,158 Washington, District of Columbia
9,348 Long Beach, California
8,484 Los Angeles, California
8,391 Seattle, Washington
7,664 Minneapolis, Minnesota
7,594 Baltimore, Maryland
7,528 Oakland, California
7,043 Anaheim, California
6,362 Buffalo, New York
6,191 Milwaukee, Wisconsin
5,818 St. Paul, Minnesota
5,813 Urban Honolulu, Hawaii
5,808 San Jose, California
5,484 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
5,383 Chula Vista, California
5,058 Sacramento, California
5,030 St. Louis, Missouri
4,979 Stockton, California
4,965 Cleveland, Ohio
4,849 Detroit, Michigan
4,795 Portland, Oregon
4,663 Fresno, California
4,660 Las Vegas, Nevada
4,530 Denver, Colorado
4,529 Norfolk, Virginia
4,326 San Diego, California
4,227 St. Petersburg, Florida
4,100 Glendale, Arizona
4,096 Arlington, Texas
4,025 Irvine, California
4,002 Riverside, California
3,996 Plano, Texas
3,960 Columbus, Ohio
3,870 Dallas, Texas
3,842 Houston, Texas
3,842 Chandler, Arizona
3,834 Cincinnati, Ohio
3,551 Mesa, Arizona
3,549 Atlanta, Georgia
3,517 Omaha, Nebraska
3,452 Toledo, Ohio
3,326 Tampa, Florida
3,289 Madison, Wisconsin
3,238 San Antonio, Texas
3,211 Raleigh, North Carolina
3,182 Austin, Texas
3,146 Lincoln, Nebraska
3,126 Phoenix, Arizona
2,979 Albuquerque, New Mexico
2,892 Laredo, Texas
2,829 Charlotte, North Carolina
2,719 Henderson, Nevada
2,707 Orlando, Florida
2,676 El Paso, Texas
2,648 Bakersfield, California
2,513 Fort Worth, Texas
2,450 Durham, North Carolina
2,448 Wichita, Kansas
2,391 Colorado Springs, Colorado
2,391 Fort Wayne, Indiana
2,381 Reno, Nevada
2,366 Indianapolis, Indiana
2,355 North Las Vegas, Nevada
2,341 Tucson, Arizona
2,338 Aurora, Colorado
2,311 New Orleans, Louisiana
2,269 Greensboro, North Carolina
2,072 Memphis, Tennessee
2,063 Lubbock, Texas
2,049 Tulsa, Oklahoma
2,028 Corpus Christi, Texas
1,895 Louisville, Kentucky
1,829 Winston-Salem, North Carolina
1,818 Virginia Beach, Virginia
1,529 Kansas City, Missouri
1,390 Nashville, Tennessee
1,341 Scottsdale, Arizona
1,179 Jacksonville, Florida
1,123 Lexington, Kentucky
1,053 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
175 Anchorage, Alaska

cities that are neither red nor blue have political party of governor different from political party state voted for for president

Brilliant post.

Only thing I will add is that we have created an economic system in which the lower paid ESSENTIAL workers are also over-indexing on minorities.

[dice]

That is directly correlated to population densities.

You know...big cities?

The reason why Republican states are lagging the rest in COVID cases is also because of population density. It took longer to spread.

They could have avoided it by staying their ass home and using masks. But...Freedom, Liberty etc etc

also, the most densely populated cities tend to have larger minority population. and minorities are both more likely to have underlying health conditions and less likely to have access to quality health care...because america has a terrible health care system...because of conservative politicians

90 most populous american cities, ranked by population density (residents per square mile):

Spoiler:

28,211 New York, New York
18,581 San Francisco, California
17,860 Jersey City, New Jersey
13,943 Boston, Massachusetts
12,645 Miami, Florida
12,256 Santa Ana, California
11,883 Chicago, Illinois
11,692 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
11,648 Newark, New Jersey
11,158 Washington, District of Columbia
9,348 Long Beach, California
8,484 Los Angeles, California
8,391 Seattle, Washington
7,664 Minneapolis, Minnesota
7,594 Baltimore, Maryland
7,528 Oakland, California
7,043 Anaheim, California
6,362 Buffalo, New York
6,191 Milwaukee, Wisconsin
5,818 St. Paul, Minnesota
5,813 Urban Honolulu, Hawaii
5,808 San Jose, California
5,484 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
5,383 Chula Vista, California
5,058 Sacramento, California
5,030 St. Louis, Missouri
4,979 Stockton, California
4,965 Cleveland, Ohio
4,849 Detroit, Michigan
4,795 Portland, Oregon
4,663 Fresno, California
4,660 Las Vegas, Nevada
4,530 Denver, Colorado
4,529 Norfolk, Virginia
4,326 San Diego, California
4,227 St. Petersburg, Florida
4,100 Glendale, Arizona
4,096 Arlington, Texas
4,025 Irvine, California
4,002 Riverside, California
3,996 Plano, Texas
3,960 Columbus, Ohio
3,870 Dallas, Texas
3,842 Houston, Texas
3,842 Chandler, Arizona
3,834 Cincinnati, Ohio
3,551 Mesa, Arizona
3,549 Atlanta, Georgia
3,517 Omaha, Nebraska
3,452 Toledo, Ohio
3,326 Tampa, Florida
3,289 Madison, Wisconsin
3,238 San Antonio, Texas
3,211 Raleigh, North Carolina
3,182 Austin, Texas
3,146 Lincoln, Nebraska
3,126 Phoenix, Arizona
2,979 Albuquerque, New Mexico
2,892 Laredo, Texas
2,829 Charlotte, North Carolina
2,719 Henderson, Nevada
2,707 Orlando, Florida
2,676 El Paso, Texas
2,648 Bakersfield, California
2,513 Fort Worth, Texas
2,450 Durham, North Carolina
2,448 Wichita, Kansas
2,391 Colorado Springs, Colorado
2,391 Fort Wayne, Indiana
2,381 Reno, Nevada
2,366 Indianapolis, Indiana
2,355 North Las Vegas, Nevada
2,341 Tucson, Arizona
2,338 Aurora, Colorado
2,311 New Orleans, Louisiana
2,269 Greensboro, North Carolina
2,072 Memphis, Tennessee
2,063 Lubbock, Texas
2,049 Tulsa, Oklahoma
2,028 Corpus Christi, Texas
1,895 Louisville, Kentucky
1,829 Winston-Salem, North Carolina
1,818 Virginia Beach, Virginia
1,529 Kansas City, Missouri
1,390 Nashville, Tennessee
1,341 Scottsdale, Arizona
1,179 Jacksonville, Florida
1,123 Lexington, Kentucky
1,053 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
175 Anchorage, Alaska

cities that are neither red nor blue have political party of governor different from political party state voted for for president

Brilliant post.

Only thing I will add is that we have created an economic system in which the lower paid ESSENTIAL workers are also over-indexing on minorities.

also, all future scheduled flights to china from US:

22 los angeles
15 new york
13 san fran
6 chicago
6 seattle
3 DC
3 boston
3 dallas
2 houston
2 detroit
1 atlanta
1 honolulu

gives an idea of which cities were most prone to outbreaks early on

[PlayerUp]

They could have avoided it by staying their ass home and using masks. But...Freedom, Liberty etc etc

This is correct.

There are cities outside the US with far denser areas, worst healthcare systems, with little to no government support helping them yet they have far lower death rates and confirmed cases. What did they do differently? It's simple. People took the virus more seriously, stayed home, disciplined themselves.

[PlayerUp]

also, all future scheduled flights to china from US:

22 los angeles
15 new york
13 san fran
6 chicago
6 seattle
3 DC
3 boston
3 dallas
2 houston
2 detroit
1 atlanta
1 honolulu

gives an idea of which cities were most prone to outbreaks early on

Whenever the next virus outbreak happens which it could happen in our lifetime, banning all travel globally should be a must. People coming in should be held in quarantine. Short term lockdowns should also be considered. Really concerned this COVID-19 could spark a new wave of terrorism in the future.

[PlayerUp]

I believe the top 10 states in COVID deaths are all run by Democratic governors. And a significant majority of COVID deaths are in democratic congressional districts.

How someone can use that reality to paint a picture that it's those damn Republican rednecks that are screwing up the COVID response is astonishing.

By the way, anyone who uses case counts as the most meaningful measure of comparison should not be taken seriously on this issue.

That is directly correlated to population densities.

You know...big cities?

The reason why Republican states are lagging the rest in COVID cases is also because of population density. It took longer to spread.

They could have avoided it by staying their ass home and using masks. But...Freedom, Liberty etc etc

also, the most densely populated cities tend to have larger minority populations. minorities are both more likely to have underlying health conditions and less likely to have access to quality health care...because america has a terrible health care system...because of conservative politicians

90 most populous american cities, ranked by population density (residents per square mile):

28,211 New York, New York
18,581 San Francisco, California
17,860 Jersey City, New Jersey
13,943 Boston, Massachusetts
12,645 Miami, Florida
12,256 Santa Ana, California
11,883 Chicago, Illinois
11,692 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
11,648 Newark, New Jersey
11,158 Washington, District of Columbia
9,348 Long Beach, California
8,484 Los Angeles, California
8,391 Seattle, Washington
7,664 Minneapolis, Minnesota
7,594 Baltimore, Maryland
7,528 Oakland, California
7,043 Anaheim, California
6,362 Buffalo, New York
6,191 Milwaukee, Wisconsin
5,818 St. Paul, Minnesota
5,813 Urban Honolulu, Hawaii
5,808 San Jose, California
5,484 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
5,383 Chula Vista, California
5,058 Sacramento, California
5,030 St. Louis, Missouri
4,979 Stockton, California
4,965 Cleveland, Ohio
4,849 Detroit, Michigan
4,795 Portland, Oregon
4,663 Fresno, California
4,660 Las Vegas, Nevada
4,530 Denver, Colorado
4,529 Norfolk, Virginia
4,326 San Diego, California
4,227 St. Petersburg, Florida
4,100 Glendale, Arizona
4,096 Arlington, Texas
4,025 Irvine, California
4,002 Riverside, California
3,996 Plano, Texas
3,960 Columbus, Ohio
3,870 Dallas, Texas
3,842 Houston, Texas
3,842 Chandler, Arizona
3,834 Cincinnati, Ohio
3,551 Mesa, Arizona
3,549 Atlanta, Georgia
3,517 Omaha, Nebraska
3,452 Toledo, Ohio
3,326 Tampa, Florida
3,289 Madison, Wisconsin
3,238 San Antonio, Texas
3,211 Raleigh, North Carolina
3,182 Austin, Texas
3,146 Lincoln, Nebraska
3,126 Phoenix, Arizona
2,979 Albuquerque, New Mexico
2,892 Laredo, Texas
2,829 Charlotte, North Carolina
2,719 Henderson, Nevada
2,707 Orlando, Florida
2,676 El Paso, Texas
2,648 Bakersfield, California
2,513 Fort Worth, Texas
2,450 Durham, North Carolina
2,448 Wichita, Kansas
2,391 Colorado Springs, Colorado
2,391 Fort Wayne, Indiana
2,381 Reno, Nevada
2,366 Indianapolis, Indiana
2,355 North Las Vegas, Nevada
2,341 Tucson, Arizona
2,338 Aurora, Colorado
2,311 New Orleans, Louisiana
2,269 Greensboro, North Carolina
2,072 Memphis, Tennessee
2,063 Lubbock, Texas
2,049 Tulsa, Oklahoma
2,028 Corpus Christi, Texas
1,895 Louisville, Kentucky
1,829 Winston-Salem, North Carolina
1,818 Virginia Beach, Virginia
1,529 Kansas City, Missouri
1,390 Nashville, Tennessee
1,341 Scottsdale, Arizona
1,179 Jacksonville, Florida
1,123 Lexington, Kentucky
1,053 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
175 Anchorage, Alaska

cities that are neither red nor blue have political party of governor different from political party state voted for for president

Dice your posts are too long. You even color coded it. Don't fault us for not being able to rebuttal your posts they're just too long

I agree though it's primarily dense populations were the root cause of why democratic cities were hammered by this virus.

[PlayerUp]

minorities are both more likely to have underlying health conditions and less likely to have access to quality health care...because america has a terrible health care system...because of conservative politicians

What are the best ways to improve the healthcare system with little to no tax increases to pay for it/little to no higher rates for the middle class/raising the deficit?

[musiqsoulchild]

minorities are both more likely to have underlying health conditions and less likely to have access to quality health care...because america has a terrible health care system...because of conservative politicians

What are the best ways to improve the healthcare system with little to no tax increases to pay for it/little to no higher rates for the middle class/raising the deficit?

Tbh, we have to act like we are the greatest country in the world.

That is all.

Yday evening, our President stood in front of Mt.Rushmore and focussed entirely on how GREAT our country is and that it is the BEST country in the world in all of history.

And then he went on to talk exclusively about punishing people who harm statues. Specially mandated Federal policing units, new laws, DHS involvement, drone surveillance of protesters.

All for statues.

Now imagine if we put that kind of missionary zeal towards:

1) Making our Education system the best in the world
2) Making our Healthcare accessible to all - no ifs and buts
3) Making our infrastructure the best in the world

This is a question of political will. Of every damn living soul that is in Congress, Senate and the White House.

We are the richest, most abundantly resourced country in the world.

But we suck at taking care of our own.

Do you know why? Because deep down, we dont really care about the "losers". And unless we fix that moral issue on a personal level...we will not be able to elect people who will get the job done.

[MrSparkle]

minorities are both more likely to have underlying health conditions and less likely to have access to quality health care...because america has a terrible health care system...because of conservative politicians

What are the best ways to improve the healthcare system with little to no tax increases to pay for it/little to no higher rates for the middle class/raising the deficit?

Tbh, we have to act like we are the greatest country in the world.

That is all.

Yday evening, our President stood in front of Mt.Rushmore and focussed entirely on how GREAT our country is and that it is the BEST country in the world in all of history.

And then he went on to talk exclusively about punishing people who harm statues. Specially mandated Federal policing units, new laws, DHS involvement, drone surveillance of protesters.

All for statues.

Now imagine if we put that kind of missionary zeal towards:

1) Making our Education system the best in the world
2) Making our Healthcare accessible to all - no ifs and buts
3) Making our infrastructure the best in the world

This is a question of political will. Of every damn living soul that is in Congress, Senate and the White House.

We are the richest, most abundantly resourced country in the world.

But we suck at taking care of our own.

Do you know why? Because deep down, we dont really care about the "losers". And unless we fix that moral issue on a personal level...we will not be able to elect people who will get the job done.

“Moral hazard” is this huge American theme.

Ya can’t teach people to receive rent, salary or bail-outs “for free“ or it’ll create a lazy “entitlement culture.“

The ultimate irony, seeing as a majority of wealthy 2nd+ generation white men got their head-start with their ancestors’ capitalizing on slavery and claiming free lands for their own. Or with crime or theft in times where it wasn’t as punishable. Yeah no entitlement there, Mitch McConnell and Donald.... Even the Daleys and Kennedies, they were basically mobsters/mafia. Atleast (Some) of their kids kinda tried to kind of be on the right side of philanthropy.

The second irony , is “corporation are people” yet they are exempt from this moral hazard concept because they are “too big to fail.”

So a corporation can get endless bail outs, whereas all the home owners who got screwed by the banks had to foreclose and suffer the consequences. JP Morgan still kicking strong, despite helping cause the financial meltdown.

Aaand it’s all happening again. Right now we’re seeing record amounts of Wall St stimulus. For what? Many of these companies pumped into buybacks with no accountability. The bonuses, severance packages and bankruptcies will come when reality catches up as there is literally no market for growth or jobs in an unresolved pandemic. It’s just billions of funds gone into a few hands to distribute it. I don’t blame people for being sick of this trickle down garbage. Who is McConnell, the POTUS and the big corporate elites to decide that each working family gets a micro-dot of the pie while they keep literally a $1B:$1 ratio? It’s covert fascism, just like Stalinism to be honest. I don’t want a communist market with no logical sense of worth and value - I want limits to unlimited power, because every collapsing country shares 1 trait - huge income disparity. You went to Brazil in its boom 12 years ago - it was doing “well” but you could see that there were favellas with human sardines living in shanty shacks, the street hustlers who had to resort to crime to get by, and then the gated communities, hotels and shopping centers where you felt like you were in Miami. I don’t want that. It got there because they never figured out how to integrate a middle class economy.

$1200 stimulus check - whoopdie do. Otherwise you need to jump through hoops (I still haven’t gotten unemployment compensation as an independent contractor due to my small part-time W2 Earnings that seem to cancel me out of PUA - I guess I’ll waste another morning and try to call this week as July 31 is almost here).

I don’t “want“ a bail out. I’m fiscally responsible with savings and expenses. But it is exhausting being forced into a rat race by outside, irresponsible circumstances. Especially then being governed by the same jack asses.

[musiqsoulchild]

What are the best ways to improve the healthcare system with little to no tax increases to pay for it/little to no higher rates for the middle class/raising the deficit?

Tbh, we have to act like we are the greatest country in the world.

That is all.

Yday evening, our President stood in front of Mt.Rushmore and focussed entirely on how GREAT our country is and that it is the BEST country in the world in all of history.

And then he went on to talk exclusively about punishing people who harm statues. Specially mandated Federal policing units, new laws, DHS involvement, drone surveillance of protesters.

All for statues.

Now imagine if we put that kind of missionary zeal towards:

1) Making our Education system the best in the world
2) Making our Healthcare accessible to all - no ifs and buts
3) Making our infrastructure the best in the world

This is a question of political will. Of every damn living soul that is in Congress, Senate and the White House.

We are the richest, most abundantly resourced country in the world.

But we suck at taking care of our own.

Do you know why? Because deep down, we dont really care about the "losers". And unless we fix that moral issue on a personal level...we will not be able to elect people who will get the job done.

“Moral hazard” is this huge American theme.

Ya can’t teach people to receive rent, salary or bail-outs “for free“ or it’ll create a lazy “entitlement culture.“

The ultimate irony, seeing as a majority of wealthy 2nd+ generation white men got their head-start with their ancestors’ capitalizing on slavery and claiming free lands for their own. Yeah no entitlement there, Mitch McConnell and Donald....

The second irony , is “corporation are people” yet they are exempt from this moral hazard concept because they are “too big to fail.”

So a corporation can get endless bail outs, whereas all the home owners who got screwed by the banks had to foreclose and suffer the consequences. JP Morgan still kicking strong, despite helping cause the financial meltdown.

Aaand it’s all happening again. Right now we’re seeing record amounts of Wall St stimulus. For what? Many of these companies pumped into buybacks with no accountability. The bonuses, severance packages and bankruptcies will come when reality catches up as there is literally no market for growth or jobs in an unresolved pandemic. It’s just billions of funds gone into a few hands to distribute it. I don’t blame people for being sick of this trickle down garbage. Who is McConnell, the POTUS and the big corporate elites to decide that each working family gets a micro-dot of the pie while they keep literally a $1B:$1 ratio? It’s covert fascism, just like Stalinism to be honest. I don’t want a communist market with no logical sense of worth and value - I want limits to unlimited power, because every collapsing country shares 1 trait - huge income disparity. You went to Brazil in its boom 12 years ago - it was doing “well” but you could see that there were favellas with human sardines living in shanty shacks, the street hustlers who had to resort to crime to get by, and then the gated communities, hotels and shopping centers where you felt like you were in Miami. I don’t want that. It got there because they never figured out how to integrate a middle class economy.

$1200 stimulus check - whoopdie do. Otherwise you need to jump through hoops (I still haven’t gotten unemployment compensation as an independent contractor due to my small part-time W2 Earnings that seem to cancel me out of PUA - I guess I’ll waste another morning and try to call this week as July 31 is almost here).

Excellent post.

We as a nation just need to decide to make universal healthcare mandatory.

Medicaid for all is SUCH an easy step.

Just do it already.

[MrSparkle]

Tbh, we have to act like we are the greatest country in the world.

That is all.

Yday evening, our President stood in front of Mt.Rushmore and focussed entirely on how GREAT our country is and that it is the BEST country in the world in all of history.

And then he went on to talk exclusively about punishing people who harm statues. Specially mandated Federal policing units, new laws, DHS involvement, drone surveillance of protesters.

All for statues.

Now imagine if we put that kind of missionary zeal towards:

1) Making our Education system the best in the world
2) Making our Healthcare accessible to all - no ifs and buts
3) Making our infrastructure the best in the world

This is a question of political will. Of every damn living soul that is in Congress, Senate and the White House.

We are the richest, most abundantly resourced country in the world.

But we suck at taking care of our own.

Do you know why? Because deep down, we dont really care about the "losers". And unless we fix that moral issue on a personal level...we will not be able to elect people who will get the job done.

“Moral hazard” is this huge American theme.

Ya can’t teach people to receive rent, salary or bail-outs “for free“ or it’ll create a lazy “entitlement culture.“

The ultimate irony, seeing as a majority of wealthy 2nd+ generation white men got their head-start with their ancestors’ capitalizing on slavery and claiming free lands for their own. Yeah no entitlement there, Mitch McConnell and Donald....

The second irony , is “corporation are people” yet they are exempt from this moral hazard concept because they are “too big to fail.”

So a corporation can get endless bail outs, whereas all the home owners who got screwed by the banks had to foreclose and suffer the consequences. JP Morgan still kicking strong, despite helping cause the financial meltdown.

Aaand it’s all happening again. Right now we’re seeing record amounts of Wall St stimulus. For what? Many of these companies pumped into buybacks with no accountability. The bonuses, severance packages and bankruptcies will come when reality catches up as there is literally no market for growth or jobs in an unresolved pandemic. It’s just billions of funds gone into a few hands to distribute it. I don’t blame people for being sick of this trickle down garbage. Who is McConnell, the POTUS and the big corporate elites to decide that each working family gets a micro-dot of the pie while they keep literally a $1B:$1 ratio? It’s covert fascism, just like Stalinism to be honest. I don’t want a communist market with no logical sense of worth and value - I want limits to unlimited power, because every collapsing country shares 1 trait - huge income disparity. You went to Brazil in its boom 12 years ago - it was doing “well” but you could see that there were favellas with human sardines living in shanty shacks, the street hustlers who had to resort to crime to get by, and then the gated communities, hotels and shopping centers where you felt like you were in Miami. I don’t want that. It got there because they never figured out how to integrate a middle class economy.

$1200 stimulus check - whoopdie do. Otherwise you need to jump through hoops (I still haven’t gotten unemployment compensation as an independent contractor due to my small part-time W2 Earnings that seem to cancel me out of PUA - I guess I’ll waste another morning and try to call this week as July 31 is almost here).

Excellent post.

We as a nation just need to decide to make universal healthcare mandatory.

Medicaid for all is SUCH an easy step.

Just do it already.

Somehow some way, you will still find a large population of ignorants claiming Canada’s worse off then us right now.

It is just mind boggling that single/universal health care is associated with oppression of liberty. It’s such a stupid paradox.

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Tbh, we have to act like we are the greatest country in the world.

That is all.

Now imagine if we put that kind of missionary zeal towards:

1) Making our Education system the best in the world
2) Making our Healthcare accessible to all - no ifs and buts
3) Making our infrastructure the best in the world

We're great but it's not possible to be the greatest at everything.

You can't fix these problems overnight. Any major improvements costs us extreme amounts of money to do so which we can't really afford because of the amount of money we're currently borrowing. We have to take small steps at a time. You also need a congress that is proactive at combating all these issues which we currently don't have.

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Tbh, we have to act like we are the greatest country in the world.

That is all.

Now imagine if we put that kind of missionary zeal towards:

1) Making our Education system the best in the world
2) Making our Healthcare accessible to all - no ifs and buts
3) Making our infrastructure the best in the world

We're great but it's not possible to be the greatest at everything.

You can't fix these problems overnight. Any major improvements costs us extreme amounts of money to do so which we can't really afford because of the amount of money we're currently borrowing. We have to take small steps at a time. You also need a congress that is proactive at combating all these issues which we currently don't have.

You can afford some of it and borrow less money by appropriately taxing corporations and rolling back the tax cuts to 1% that were given out by Bush and Trump.