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Lauri:' I can make the comeback'

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Lauri extension?

Don't want to see one happen - let him show me more first
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#101 » by PaKii94 » Fri Oct 2, 2020 8:57 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
These Lauri fanboys are just upset that LaVine is clearly the better player and focus of the offense now. They will feel the same way about Coby soon if they don't already.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't worry the hate won't come to Coby. He's shown 3x better decision making/shot selection/playmaking in his rookie season compared to Lavine his whole career.


It already has come. I see plenty of talk about how he isn't a real Pg, doesn't distribute the ball and he and Zach get to shoot as much as they want. And how he may just be a 6th man.


Yeah I know. It's cause everyone tuned out of the bulls in december and didn't see his growth later on. His performance to end the season wasn't a fluke. I think it's sustainable in a good system.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#102 » by ZOMG » Fri Oct 2, 2020 9:21 pm

PaKii94 wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't worry the hate won't come to Coby. He's shown 3x better decision making/shot selection/playmaking in his rookie season compared to Lavine his whole career.


It already has come. I see plenty of talk about how he isn't a real Pg, doesn't distribute the ball and he and Zach get to shoot as much as they want. And how he may just be a 6th man.


Yeah I know. It's cause everyone tuned out of the bulls in december and didn't see his growth later on. His performance to end the season wasn't a fluke. I think it's sustainable in a good system.


The end-of-season Bulls were even less of a real NBA team than the earlier iteration.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#103 » by PaKii94 » Fri Oct 2, 2020 9:32 pm

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It already has come. I see plenty of talk about how he isn't a real Pg, doesn't distribute the ball and he and Zach get to shoot as much as they want. And how he may just be a 6th man.


Yeah I know. It's cause everyone tuned out of the bulls in december and didn't see his growth later on. His performance to end the season wasn't a fluke. I think it's sustainable in a good system.


The end-of-season Bulls were even less of a real NBA team than the earlier iteration.


Yes but at that point it was injury related lack of talent. Coby finished the season with a 2.0 ast/to as the lead guard with Lavine out which is good for a rookie and a lot better than he showed earlier in the season.

You would expect it to get worse with more usage/defense game planning for him but he was getting into a better rhythm
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#104 » by BeKuK » Fri Oct 2, 2020 10:52 pm

"....I can make the comeback....." sounds like he's 30 years old and returning from a huge injury and being a superstar.

He can't make a comeback when he still hasn't go to his top yet.

Just stay healthy.....play basketball and forget Jimbo.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#105 » by WindyCityBorn » Sat Oct 3, 2020 2:26 am

PaKii94 wrote:
ZOMG wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
Yeah I know. It's cause everyone tuned out of the bulls in december and didn't see his growth later on. His performance to end the season wasn't a fluke. I think it's sustainable in a good system.


The end-of-season Bulls were even less of a real NBA team than the earlier iteration.


Yes but at that point it was injury related lack of talent. Coby finished the season with a 2.0 ast/to as the lead guard with Lavine out which is good for a rookie and a lot better than he showed earlier in the season.

You would expect it to get worse with more usage/defense game planning for him but he was getting into a better rhythm


I believe they can be one of top offensive backcourts in the league. I think Coby can be an efficient 20+ ppg guy. If he just run the offense efficiently too we are set at PG.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#106 » by drosereturn » Sat Oct 3, 2020 2:44 am

PaKii94 wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't worry the hate won't come to Coby. He's shown 3x better decision making/shot selection/playmaking in his rookie season compared to Lavine his whole career.


It already has come. I see plenty of talk about how he isn't a real Pg, doesn't distribute the ball and he and Zach get to shoot as much as they want. And how he may just be a 6th man.


Yeah I know. It's cause everyone tuned out of the bulls in december and didn't see his growth later on. His performance to end the season wasn't a fluke. I think it's sustainable in a good system.


Like if Lavine is gone, im fine with White being the floor general replacing Lavine bc he is still a kid and can grow unlike Lavine who has been in this league for nearly a decade. He already showed better vision than Lavine ever did in his career, even posting above 2 assist ratio at the end of the season.
Its just that they are both shoot first guards seeing them play together pisses me off and White has no potential under Lavine.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#107 » by drosereturn » Sat Oct 3, 2020 2:48 am

BeKuK wrote:"....I can make the comeback....." sounds like he's 30 years old and returning from a huge injury and being a superstar.

He can't make a comeback when he still hasn't go to his top yet.

Just stay healthy.....play basketball and forget Jimbo.


well his peak was pretty high it eclipsed Portis, Mirtoic as a player and looked like he was a surefire perennial all star.
if any player's 2nd yr is that good, they usually end up being max players he thought he would be one.
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Post#108 » by Dez » Sat Oct 3, 2020 4:12 am

drosereturn wrote:
BeKuK wrote:"....I can make the comeback....." sounds like he's 30 years old and returning from a huge injury and being a superstar.

He can't make a comeback when he still hasn't go to his top yet.

Just stay healthy.....play basketball and forget Jimbo.


well his peak was pretty high it eclipsed Portis, Mirtoic as a player and looked like he was a surefire perennial all star.
if any player's 2nd yr is that good, they usually end up being max players he thought he would be one.


No he wasn't and no it didn't.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#109 » by WindyCityBorn » Sat Oct 3, 2020 6:11 am

drosereturn wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
It already has come. I see plenty of talk about how he isn't a real Pg, doesn't distribute the ball and he and Zach get to shoot as much as they want. And how he may just be a 6th man.


Yeah I know. It's cause everyone tuned out of the bulls in december and didn't see his growth later on. His performance to end the season wasn't a fluke. I think it's sustainable in a good system.


Like if Lavine is gone, im fine with White being the floor general replacing Lavine bc he is still a kid and can grow unlike Lavine who has been in this league for nearly a decade. He already showed better vision than Lavine ever did in his career, even posting above 2 assist ratio at the end of the season.
Its just that they are both shoot first guards seeing them play together pisses me off and White has no potential under Lavine.


Lauri is far more likely to be gone then LaVine. I guess you can follow him. LaVine and White play well together too so saying LaVine holds him back is a load of crap.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#110 » by TallDude » Sat Oct 3, 2020 7:27 am

Well we have seen that Lavine and Coby are not Lebron and Davis. They can not win games without 2nd year Lauri and rest of the team.
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Post#111 » by Dez » Sat Oct 3, 2020 7:40 am

TallDude wrote:Well we have seen that Lavine and Coby are not Lebron and Davis. They can not win games without 2nd year Lauri and rest of the team.


The f***?

What sort of comparison is this? Comparing two superstars with a 20 year old rookie and a 25 year old? That is just bizarre.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#112 » by ZOMG » Sat Oct 3, 2020 10:27 am

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TallDude wrote:Well we have seen that Lavine and Coby are not Lebron and Davis. They can not win games without 2nd year Lauri and rest of the team.


The f***?

What sort of comparison is this? Comparing two superstars with a 20 year old rookie and a 25 year old? That is just bizarre.


That's exactly right. Zach and Coby are just two role players who are out of their depth playing any kind of "star" role. Glad we got that cleared up.

They do have a place on this team if they understand that each piece on this roster is just a cog in the machine.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#113 » by Dez » Sat Oct 3, 2020 12:05 pm

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TallDude wrote:Well we have seen that Lavine and Coby are not Lebron and Davis. They can not win games without 2nd year Lauri and rest of the team.


The f***?

What sort of comparison is this? Comparing two superstars with a 20 year old rookie and a 25 year old? That is just bizarre.


That's exactly right. Zach and Coby are just two role players who are out of their depth playing any kind of "star" role. Glad we got that cleared up.

They do have a place on this team if they understand that each piece on this roster is just a cog in the machine.


Every player is a role player, some players actually have NBA level skills to play their roles like Zach and Coby. Others (Lauri for example) are yet to demonstrate any NBA level skills for longer than a 15 games.

I'm glad we sorted out that Zach and Coby have roles on this team and Lauri has his role waving towels on the bench.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#114 » by Shill » Sat Oct 3, 2020 3:16 pm

Lauri didn't develop like I thought he would.

He's relatively easy to guard.

Teams can comfortably put a small forward on him, and Lauri doesn't make them pay. Even guards can muscle him.

And for a supposed sharpshooter, his efficiency is underwhelming.
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Post#115 » by Jcool0 » Sat Oct 3, 2020 4:33 pm

2021 dunk contest?

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Post#116 » by FranchisePlayer » Sat Oct 3, 2020 5:41 pm

Jcool0 wrote:2021 dunk contest?



Fast as hell! And some say he can't handle the ball... SMH
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#117 » by Jiipee84 » Sat Oct 3, 2020 8:07 pm

Why we even have this thread ?
This so called '' thread'' has become mostly Lauri Markkanen bashing thread.
So lets agree together that Lauri is overhyped bust and he's out of NBA in 3 to 5 years.

It's coming crystal clear you guys really want Lauri out of Bulls
so you better start pray that Lauri Markkanen trade happens asap when 2020 draft is started.
Problem solved and thank you and goodnight to everyone.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#118 » by the ultimates » Sat Oct 3, 2020 8:57 pm

Jiipee84 wrote:Why we even have this thread ?
This so called '' thread'' has become mostly Lauri Markkanen bashing thread.
So lets agree together that Lauri is overhyped bust and he's out of NBA in year or two.

It's coming crystal clear you guys really want Lauri out of Bulls
so you better start pray that Lauri Markkanen trade happens asap when 2020 draft is started.
Problem solved and thank you and goodnight to everyone.


It's not bashing a player to tell the actual truth about a player. He's an average three-point shooter, he doesn't create well for himself or others, he doesn't score on the post, he's a mediocre rebounder and poor help defender. Now, which of these facts do you want to dispute? Why do you hold out hope the guy we saw for a month 3 seasons ago is the real Lauri or what Lauri can be instead of the number of other games we've seen that he isn't?
Losing to get high draft picks and hoping they turn into franchise players is not some next level, genius move. That's what teams want to happen in any rebuild/tank or whatever you want to market it as.
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Post#119 » by PaKii94 » Sun Oct 4, 2020 1:25 am

I know Lauri had a down year last year but y'all are discrediting him too much. Here is his career so far coming into context(all stats in p36):

Rookie year:
Scrawny 7fter beanpole came in with a shooting stroke. He showed good feet and could hang with perimeter players on defense. He got pushed around by nba bigs tho.

With the team trying to tank he was in and out of the lineups. He finished the year at 18p/9r on 55%TS overall. Not bad for a high volume shooting big man.

At the end of the year, after coming off extended rest for a back strain he put up 26p/9r on 64%TS. Flashing potential of what could be if he got volume and gets hot.

Sophomore year:

Expectations this year was increasing Lauri's usage and further development by him. Hoiberg said at the beginning of media day/training camp that he was gearing the offense around Lauri as a focal point.

He put on some muscle/weight which helped him bang more with the bigs. Over the off-season he looked dominant in fiba play.

Unfortunately, right off the bat Lauri was knocked out with an injury to his SHOOTING elbow. Hoiberg is fired before he comes back and Boylen grinds down the offense (the whole walk before run spiel).

In this horrible offense, Lauri puts up 19/8 on 54%TS (21 games). He looks kind of timid and guarding the elbow. The shot doesn't look as clean as the year before.

His finnish coach comes to visit mid January and tells him to get his ass rebounding. For the next 9 games, he puts up 20.5/12 on 55%TS

Then Boylen opens up the offense. He called it his multi ball handler system but later it was learned he was running hoiberg's sets intended to feature Lauri. Lauri finally gets to be the #1 focal point and he delivers. FebruLauri puts up 25/12 on 63%TS (11 games).

Then Lauri's fatigue issues happen, the team goes hardcore tank and the season is over.


Year 3:
The past year instead of focusing again on Lauri and Lavine, Lauri is relegated to roleplayer spacer status. Boylen in what he thought is a genius move neuters the offense to paint and 3s. Lauri struggles with an oblique strain and figuring out his role in the offense (that's ridiculous. He should have been FEATURED!)

December roles around but Lauri is an afterthought in the system. He seems to be over the oblique injury and has found his shot. He puts up 21/7.3 on 64%TS for 17 games. You have to remember this is on career low minutes/usage/fga as a 3rd-4th option. Again instead of featuring your by far most efficient player he's standing in the corner.

Then he has a badly rolled ankle. WCJ goes down, Lauri gets a strained hip and that's the end of the season.

Putting all of this together, the few times Lauri has been FEATURED as a focal point he has delivered. When he's relegated to a spacer role, he's struggled. His shot is what unlocks the rest of his game but it's not the end all of his game.

What's encouraging to me is Lauri's "hot streaks" have gotten longer each year. Hopefully he can put together a "hot streak" for even longer next year (fingers crossed for the season).

I am also excited about the way Billy will use Lauri. He's already helped Gallo excel and I think Lauri can be an upgraded Gallo. Lauri mentioned the ways Billy hopes to get him involved (getting the ball to him while he's in motion being a key thing) and all those ways are what he was doing during FebruLauri season.

I think what it will come down to is injuries. Every season Lauri has been derailed by injuries and a lot of fluke ones... But when fluke injuries keep happening, maybe they aren't flukes?

Well at least we have a new training/medical staff. Hopefully the bulls can put the injury bug behind them. I still have hope for Lauri this year and a comeback to "FebruLauri" levels.
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