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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#101 » by Chi town » Wed May 26, 2021 1:24 am

jump wrote:I think the Knicks will end up with Lowry. That'll give us a good shot at Ball, if we still want him.


I’d rather us get Lowry. He can teach Zach how to get to the FT line and then Zach would be a top 10 player.

Lowry would impact winning next year for us more than any other FA not named Kawhi
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#102 » by kulaz3000 » Wed May 26, 2021 3:10 am

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jump wrote:I think the Knicks will end up with Lowry. That'll give us a good shot at Ball, if we still want him.


I’d rather us get Lowry. He can teach Zach how to get to the FT line and then Zach would be a top 10 player.

Lowry would impact winning next year for us more than any other FA not named Kawhi


I would be happy with Lowry, but the contract better not exceed 3 years. A 2 year, with the third being a team option would be ideal, but unlikely. He aint no spring chicken, and he isn't exactly a CP3 level basketball savant either.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#103 » by ChiefILL53 » Wed May 26, 2021 4:37 am

The Clippers are looking bad right now, should the bulls go after Kawhi if he decides to leave if they lose?
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#104 » by kulaz3000 » Wed May 26, 2021 5:18 am

ChiefILL53 wrote:The Clippers are looking bad right now, should the bulls go after Kawhi if he decides to leave if they lose?


There is absolutely no harm in going after Kwahi whether they win this series or not, they might as well give it a fair crack and see if they can sway him. BUT, whether the Bulls front office makes him the number priority and lose out on some other players they have on their list who they may deem more realistic, who knows.
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Post#105 » by Bulldog23 » Wed May 26, 2021 11:05 am

I really want to see lineup where. Brown and Pat play together with Vuooch, Lavine, and White. I think Brown and Pat can play together. In the NBA...you need multiple versatile players that can defend. I don’t know the Brown can defend like Pat, but if he can defend 1-4 and contribute offensively, that would make free agency and trade market easier to manage.
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Post#106 » by sco » Wed May 26, 2021 12:06 pm

HomoSapien wrote:How about Bryn Forbes as an option? Not the creator we're seeking, but he's a lights out shooter and has been somewhat flying under the radar till yesterday's game. He'll definitely opt out looking for a payday, but I'm skeptical he'll get it. If you sign him, you'll have to depend on LaVine being a bigger distributor, but Forbes' shooting would create a ton of space for him and Vuc.

I like Forbes, but as you say, he really doesn't fill a hole...sorta redundant with White.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#107 » by Michael Jackson » Wed May 26, 2021 12:49 pm

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ChiefILL53 wrote:The Clippers are looking bad right now, should the bulls go after Kawhi if he decides to leave if they lose?


There is absolutely no harm in going after Kwahi whether they win this series or not, they might as well give it a fair crack and see if they can sway him. BUT, whether the Bulls front office makes him the number priority and lose out on some other players they have on their list who they may deem more realistic, who knows.



Of course you inquire about Leonard but I can’t see how the Bulls would be on his list.

No GSW could offer Wiggins, Wiseman and 2 FRP’s this year for a S&T for Kawhi which is much more than we can offer short of LaVine. Also if we had to offer LaVine Leonard wouldn’t come anyway.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#108 » by sco » Wed May 26, 2021 12:54 pm

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ChiefILL53 wrote:The Clippers are looking bad right now, should the bulls go after Kawhi if he decides to leave if they lose?


There is absolutely no harm in going after Kwahi whether they win this series or not, they might as well give it a fair crack and see if they can sway him. BUT, whether the Bulls front office makes him the number priority and lose out on some other players they have on their list who they may deem more realistic, who knows.



Of course you inquire about Leonard but I can’t see how the Bulls would be on his list.

No GSW could offer Wiggins, Wiseman and 2 FRP’s this year for a S&T for Kawhi which is much more than we can offer short of LaVine. Also if we had to offer LaVine Leonard wouldn’t come anyway.

The Clips' problem is that they need someone other than their big 2 to step up...Also, in the NBA, there's little you can do when teams are shooting 50%+ from 3.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#109 » by drosestruts » Wed May 26, 2021 1:50 pm

If we went more scoring guard as our target this summer what do folks think of Tim Hardway Jr? Hard to tell how much money he's about to make this summer.
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Post#110 » by sco » Wed May 26, 2021 1:53 pm

drosestruts wrote:If we went more scoring guard as our target this summer what do folks think of Tim Hardway Jr? Hard to tell how much money he's about to make this summer.

IMO, he'll be looking for $15M+...out of our range barring a Lauri S&T. I'm a UofM fan and like him, but we have holes that need filling with our limited resources (ie PG).
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#111 » by JohnnyTapwater » Wed May 26, 2021 2:40 pm

I like this PG's in FA.

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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#112 » by LateNight » Wed May 26, 2021 2:40 pm

drosestruts wrote:If we went more scoring guard as our target this summer what do folks think of Tim Hardway Jr? Hard to tell how much money he's about to make this summer.


If we are looking at scoring guards, Gary Trent and Alec Burks are both interesting (although very different price points).
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Post#113 » by TheStig » Wed May 26, 2021 3:41 pm

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ChiefILL53 wrote:The Clippers are looking bad right now, should the bulls go after Kawhi if he decides to leave if they lose?


There is absolutely no harm in going after Kwahi whether they win this series or not, they might as well give it a fair crack and see if they can sway him. BUT, whether the Bulls front office makes him the number priority and lose out on some other players they have on their list who they may deem more realistic, who knows.



Of course you inquire about Leonard but I can’t see how the Bulls would be on his list.

No GSW could offer Wiggins, Wiseman and 2 FRP’s this year for a S&T for Kawhi which is much more than we can offer short of LaVine. Also if we had to offer LaVine Leonard wouldn’t come anyway.

Bulls can clear enough cap space to sign Kawhi. Why would we need to put a package together? And seeing as Kawhi is a FA, Clips won't get too much in a sign and trade. Certainly not wiseman and picks.

If Kawhi moves, I think Miami or Dallas makes sense. Particularly Miami. But ultimately, I think those 2 stay put in LAC and they find a way to get a PG>

I think the realistic Bulls target is Lowry. Particularly if Masai has any interest in Lauri. If the Bulls can get him on a 3/60 deal, that would be great. Otherwise they can go to 2/50.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#114 » by weneeda2guard » Wed May 26, 2021 5:16 pm

Kawhi did a lot to get to l.a hard to see him leaving

I do think pg13 will get traded to whatever team is willing to give the clippers a couple of picks.

I can also see a influx of new role players.

Clippers need to be doing everything to get Kyle Lowry and siakim next to kawhi. They are who he needs.
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Post#115 » by TheStig » Wed May 26, 2021 6:54 pm

weneeda2guard wrote:Kawhi did a lot to get to l.a hard to see him leaving

I do think pg13 will get traded to whatever team is willing to give the clippers a couple of picks.

I can also see a influx of new role players.

Clippers need to be doing everything to get Kyle Lowry and siakim next to kawhi. They are who he needs.

I don't think trading PG happens. Kawhi made it a condition of him signing that they get him PG.

I think they shuffle the deck and put all the remaining chips in to get a PG.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#116 » by Michael Jackson » Wed May 26, 2021 8:38 pm

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There is absolutely no harm in going after Kwahi whether they win this series or not, they might as well give it a fair crack and see if they can sway him. BUT, whether the Bulls front office makes him the number priority and lose out on some other players they have on their list who they may deem more realistic, who knows.



Of course you inquire about Leonard but I can’t see how the Bulls would be on his list.

No GSW could offer Wiggins, Wiseman and 2 FRP’s this year for a S&T for Kawhi which is much more than we can offer short of LaVine. Also if we had to offer LaVine Leonard wouldn’t come anyway.

Bulls can clear enough cap space to sign Kawhi. Why would we need to put a package together? And seeing as Kawhi is a FA, Clips won't get too much in a sign and trade. Certainly not wiseman and picks.

If Kawhi moves, I think Miami or Dallas makes sense. Particularly Miami. But ultimately, I think those 2 stay put in LAC and they find a way to get a PG>

I think the realistic Bulls target is Lowry. Particularly if Masai has any interest in Lauri. If the Bulls can get him on a 3/60 deal, that would be great. Otherwise they can go to 2/50.



If he is moving to a destination like GSW it has to be a sign and trade so they would have to give up something for sure... not saying that is the destination but they have a decent offer in that sense. We know Kawhi isn't afraid to force a trade.

Even if the Bulls renounce everyone and stretch everyone can they get to 36 million? Regardless he is never coming here to a gutted team like that anyway he would just stay in LAC land if that was his only option. The Knicks have an easier path salary wise and a better team right now so they would win out if he wanted that type of move. Dallas would be insane, do they have enough cap to sign him or would they need a S&T? Miami is interesting also. Both of those teams become legit contenders adding him, but then again so are LAC with him. Maybe the Clippers get Lonzo this offseason and make a run at it.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#117 » by Chi town » Wed May 26, 2021 9:14 pm

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jump wrote:I think the Knicks will end up with Lowry. That'll give us a good shot at Ball, if we still want him.


I’d rather us get Lowry. He can teach Zach how to get to the FT line and then Zach would be a top 10 player.

Lowry would impact winning next year for us more than any other FA not named Kawhi


I would be happy with Lowry, but the contract better not exceed 3 years. A 2 year, with the third being a team option would be ideal, but unlikely. He aint no spring chicken, and he isn't exactly a CP3 level basketball savant either.


Agreed. He’s tough and plays with an edge though. He’s a leader and can play 3rd fiddle to Lavine and Vuc.

I think he will sign for 2/50. But he will want a team he thinks he can win with. Probably Lakers or Sixers or Heat.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#118 » by Chi town » Wed May 26, 2021 9:18 pm

Bulldog23 wrote:I really want to see lineup where. Brown and Pat play together with Vuooch, Lavine, and White. I think Brown and Pat can play together. In the NBA...you need multiple versatile players that can defend. I don’t know the Brown can defend like Pat, but if he can defend 1-4 and contribute offensively, that would make free agency and trade market easier to manage.


TBJ played darn good D before he went down. Played Kyrie really good.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#119 » by WindyCityBorn » Wed May 26, 2021 9:18 pm

drosestruts wrote:If we went more scoring guard as our target this summer what do folks think of Tim Hardway Jr? Hard to tell how much money he's about to make this summer.


Why would we wan other SG when we have Zach? Coby White is also a SG trying learn how to play PG. It’s not like Hardaway is so good you sign him regardless of fit like say Bradley Beal next Summer.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade For PG Discussion 

Post#120 » by drosestruts » Wed May 26, 2021 9:49 pm

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drosestruts wrote:If we went more scoring guard as our target this summer what do folks think of Tim Hardway Jr? Hard to tell how much money he's about to make this summer.


Why would we wan other SG when we have Zach? Coby White is also a SG trying learn how to play PG. It’s not like Hardaway is so good you sign him regardless of fit like say Bradley Beal next Summer.


Because I still think, barring getting a really really good point guard, our main offense will be Zach and Vuc pick and rolls. I don't think we need the traditional point guard, unless they're really good, which would be nice but I'm not sure is very realistic.

If we take away positions from the equation and just think about skills the team needs, I'd say some areas of need are:

Defense
iso scoring
drawing fouls/getting to the free-throw line

In my mind, if Zach and Vuc pick and rolls are the main focus of the offense, let's look to players that can fill these areas of need. Tim Hardway Jr brings iso scoring and shooting to our lineup.

THJ wouldn't be my number one focus, but just thinking outside the box some.

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