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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#101 » by madvillian » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:11 am

HomoSapien wrote:I was also glad to see Alize get some burn and contribute tonight. He’s clearly limited, but it was too early to just flat out give up on him. Maybe Billy was doing some teaching behind the scenes.


Billy has been coaching quite agressively with the bench including tonight when he had them out there up 10-17 in the mid to late 4th. Stacey was all concerned but I think Billy had a good handle on how things were playing and of course was vindicated when Dallas threw in the towel with like 2 minutes left down 13 or so.

You earn those rest minutes and trust as a good team and I think BD has a nice read on that so far. GarPax had a good enough coach, they just had a bad, horrible roster for him.
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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#102 » by MrSparkle » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:13 am

nomorezorro wrote:baby bulls were fun in a scrappy squad maximizing its potential way. gordon was the only real eye-popping player of the bunch, though, other than when nocioni was doing his thing. ultimately the talent was limited so this was more “feel good” than “fun” imo

rose bulls had rose as a freak of nature obviously, and there were spurts of euphoria from 2009-2011, but the offense could be a bit of a slog because of how much everything depended on him. boozer contract was a drag after the 2010 offseason, bogans’s presence was annoying. plus there were the superheat as an external depressing force that made you question whether there was any point in getting your hopes up. (this turned out to be overblown, but rose’s leg blew up shortly after that became clear, so.)

this year’s bulls team is led by the most captivating scorer the team has had since mj, plus a throwback midrange expert leading the second unit, a fleet of high-energy defensive specialists, a hometown kid and a designated whipping boy for all frustrations(/potential all star center.) we’re trying to push pace, we’re forcing turnovers, we’re doing more cool dunks than i am used to. perfectly tailored to my viewing interests


Yep. I always felt like there was a gimmick to the Pax teams. I had some good times, but mostly was really underwhelmed by the looming flaws (generally athleticism, but also crucially the ball handling and passing skills). We had some brief moments of clarity when Salmons/Miller/Noah/Rose/Gordon/Kirk all got together. Shame we had a bad coach, Tyrus (instead of Taj the following year), and no Deng. That 09 team could've been a really deep run IMO, especially with the timing of Boston losing KG to injury.

There's no gimmick with this team. Obviously we play smaller than anybody would like at times, but that's not really the point of the team. Creation ability, hands, IQ and multi-position players were clearly targeted - 90s Bulls, 80s Celtics/Lakers, early/late 00s Lakers, 15 Warriors... we of course got the B-squad, but it's definitely that mold. Ultimately you can get away with 6'5 PFs if they can touch the top of the backboard, and Lonzo has wing length, so the only positional minutes we really play undersized are Caruso's or Ayo's, and it just so happens both dudes play WAY bigger than their heights. Caruso comfortably switched onto Luka, Porzingis... honestly, what a beast.

I think having an offensive center is a real avenue to being a special offensive team. When you have a guy like Vlade, Sabonis, Gasol Bros, or Brad Miller, even in their decline post-prime, they manage to open up the floor in a way where unlikely defensive specialists start getting space and cuts for easy open baskets (Christie, Bonzi, Ariza, whoever). When you can get away with playing 2 or so elite defensive wings who can still chip in 8-10 PPG on efficient shooting, they can cover so much ground in the midrange and 3P line, you don't have to play any more gimmicks on either end of the floor. You just play smart positional team defense and system offense.

Meanwhile, any NBA caliber defender is going to get more confident with their scoring if they play a routine 20-25 mpg. It just keeps working in your favor. Otherwise, a McDermott or Lauri is never going to defend and hustle as successfully as a guy like Javonte.
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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#103 » by Hold That » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:20 am

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HomoSapien wrote:I loved the Rose/Noah teams and the Gordon/Hinrich teams but neither of them were “fun” to watch. This is the first time since the dynasty that we’re actually fun.

Prime Rose team wasn’t fun to watch? He was a freak of nature and had atleast two plays every game that reminded you of that.


Don’t misunderstand me here… he individually was a blast. But both those teams had to really grind it out to win. Both times we played above our talent, and outworked opponents. We’re still doing that, except this time we’re also really freaking talented and much more entertaining.

I get it.. I feel like that Ben Gordon / Rose duo was fun.. but when he got replaced with Bogan and Boozer being a frustrating player to watch I get what you’re saying
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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#104 » by ChiCitySPORTS#1 » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:24 am

I’m happy with what Ayo had given us, but Coby should pretty much take all his minutes. If he can stick the 3 like how he normally can, we’re good. Glad to see Ayo play well, but we need Coby off the bench. Him and Caruso off the bench is golden
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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#105 » by mtron32 » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:25 am

NecessaryEvil wrote:
Repeat 3-peat wrote:
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only 11 games into the season, players around the L taking notice. What's being built now will hopefully put us in contention going forward for a long time.

Free agents are watching
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Post#106 » by ChiCitySPORTS#1 » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:28 am

Green can’t be our full time PF, it’s not sustainable. We’re gonna have to figure this out via trade
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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#107 » by MrSparkle » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:28 am

Hold That wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
Hold That wrote:Prime Rose team wasn’t fun to watch? He was a freak of nature and had atleast two plays every game that reminded you of that.


Don’t misunderstand me here… he individually was a blast. But both those teams had to really grind it out to win. Both times we played above our talent, and outworked opponents. We’re still doing that, except this time we’re also really freaking talented and much more entertaining.

I get it.. I feel like that Ben Gordon / Rose duo was fun.. but when he got replaced with Bogan and Boozer being a frustrating player to watch I get what you’re saying


There just wasn't a 2nd playmaker or bailout scorer on the team after Rose. That was the big problem. Deng, Boozer and Noah couldn't score jack in a playoff game with a locked defender in 1-on-1. We played some ugly games against the Pacers and Hawks before breaking away and closing those series. The Sixers ACL series kind of summed up the 2-15 roster's short-comings; it was sad to lose to a #8 seed with a 1-0 head start before losing Rose, even if PHI had some talent.

Gordon or Crawford would've been the perfect 6th man. And that to me was a fatal flaw; GarPaxDorf just seemed content letting that problem linger until Rose's exit trade. They caught breaks with Nate and DJ, even Marco to a lesser extent... and just let all of them walk to save money for luxury tax or offering a little more to their retirement-ready guys Kirk and Mike. It was frustrating. Beyond that, unfortunate that when star Jimmy arrived, Pau joined, Rose was pretty much toast. That could've been the one excellent offensive team.

But this team has about 4 playmakers/bailout guys. Makes for a far more versatile offense than it was watching Rose hopelessly hero-ball against larger defenders (Lebron) and double/triple teams.
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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#108 » by ImSlower » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:32 am

mtron32 wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
Repeat 3-peat wrote:
Read on Twitter


only 11 games into the season, players around the L taking notice. What's being built now will hopefully put us in contention going forward for a long time.

Free agents are watching


Yep. All this winning is fantastic, but our rise to national conversation again is, to me, the route to real contention. We make some waves with a surprising regular season record, then advance to the ECF, next off season who knows what disgruntled star sees himself as the final piece to bringing our first post-Jordan championship?

Allow me some brief irrational overconfidence - if you guys think we're having fun *this* season, just wait 2 years and start thinking about parades!
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Post#109 » by dawhizz » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:37 am

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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#110 » by Dresden » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:42 am

ImSlower wrote:
mtron32 wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
only 11 games into the season, players around the L taking notice. What's being built now will hopefully put us in contention going forward for a long time.

Free agents are watching


Yep. All this winning is fantastic, but our rise to national conversation again is, to me, the route to real contention. We make some waves with a surprising regular season record, then advance to the ECF, next off season who knows what disgruntled star sees himself as the final piece to bringing our first post-Jordan championship?

Allow me some brief irrational overconfidence - if you guys think we're having fun *this* season, just wait 2 years and start thinking about parades!


Unfortunately, these days things can fall apart just as quickly as they can come together. Look at the Celtics, look at the Clippers, maybe even the Bucks or the Nets- it's hard to not get derailed. So much can go wrong- injuries, losing key players to FA, age (esp. with Vuc/DDR), cap pressures. You can't look too long term- we've got something pretty good right now, hopefully AKME will be able to bring in another piece or two while this core is still in their primes.
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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#111 » by Dan Z » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:45 am

Arturas Karnisovas has done a great job this off-season in building this team. I think it shows that he has a good eye for talent.

Now let's get Coby back and see what this team can do at full strength (minus Patrick Williams).
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Post#113 » by Big Time Bulls » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:46 am

mtron32 wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
Repeat 3-peat wrote:
Read on Twitter


only 11 games into the season, players around the L taking notice. What's being built now will hopefully put us in contention going forward for a long time.

Free agents are watching

Jokic, 2023.
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Post#114 » by kodo » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:54 am

2weekswithpay wrote:Why'd the lakers choose Horton-Tucker over Caruso?


THT is a Klutch client, which runs the Lakers (unofficially).
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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#115 » by Axl Rose » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:57 am

Hinrich/Gordon/Rose Bulls were fun to watch but the stuff this team is doing is showtime.

F*ckin' doing 360 dunks :lol:
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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#116 » by kodo » Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:00 am

HomoSapien wrote:I was also glad to see Alize get some burn and contribute tonight. He’s clearly limited, but it was too early to just flat out give up on him. Maybe Billy was doing some teaching behind the scenes.


Looks like he's going to have a role as our switch center. Luka & Brunson were just killing us when we dropped back on the P&R, lob after lob or just hitting lay ups. Alize came in and we started switching the P&R on the center with Alize switching on the guard instead of dropping back.
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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#117 » by Fastbrk4brkfast » Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:02 am

HomoSapien wrote:
Hold That wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:I loved the Rose/Noah teams and the Gordon/Hinrich teams but neither of them were “fun” to watch. This is the first time since the dynasty that we’re actually fun.

Prime Rose team wasn’t fun to watch? He was a freak of nature and had atleast two plays every game that reminded you of that.


Don’t misunderstand me here… he individually was a blast. But both those teams had to really grind it out to win. Both times we played above our talent, and outworked opponents. We’re still doing that, except this time we’re also really freaking talented and much more entertaining.


I thought both those teams were fun. Stressful but fun. i see what HomoSapien means tho. Jeff Van Gundy doing courtside once described Thibodeau's Bulls as a team that played "suffocating offense". They didn't style on opponents nearly as much as this crew.
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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#118 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:07 am

Michael Jackson wrote:I’m there tonight so let’s get a win. Customer event so gotta make sure they go home happy. I’m counting on you Vuc


That’s from the GT. Thank you Bulls. I actually dis the Hawks vs Penguins the night before so I am 3-0 in the UC this year.

What a fun team this bul,s team is honestly. I exceeded my ceiling but I am very conservative. I will say this, I don’t like customer games though because have to be more engaged with them than the games, a petty thing to complain about I know.
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Post#119 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:08 am

Axl Rose wrote:Hinrich/Gordon/Rose Bulls were fun to watch but the stuff this team is doing is showtime.

F*ckin' doing 360 dunks :lol:



So much fun. I might get an AK is a god tattoo lol.
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Re: PG: WE ARE the tough schedule stretch 

Post#120 » by Fastbrk4brkfast » Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:09 am

MrSparkle wrote:
Hold That wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
Don’t misunderstand me here… he individually was a blast. But both those teams had to really grind it out to win. Both times we played above our talent, and outworked opponents. We’re still doing that, except this time we’re also really freaking talented and much more entertaining.

I get it.. I feel like that Ben Gordon / Rose duo was fun.. but when he got replaced with Bogan and Boozer being a frustrating player to watch I get what you’re saying


There just wasn't a 2nd playmaker or bailout scorer on the team after Rose. That was the big problem. Deng, Boozer and Noah couldn't score jack in a playoff game with a locked defender in 1-on-1. We played some ugly games against the Pacers and Hawks before breaking away and closing those series. The Sixers ACL series kind of summed up the 2-15 roster's short-comings; it was sad to lose to a #8 seed with a 1-0 head start before losing Rose, even if PHI had some talent.

Gordon or Crawford would've been the perfect 6th man. And that to me was a fatal flaw; GarPaxDorf just seemed content letting that problem linger until Rose's exit trade. They caught breaks with Nate and DJ, even Marco to a lesser extent... and just let all of them walk to save money for luxury tax or offering a little more to their retirement-ready guys Kirk and Mike. It was frustrating. Beyond that, unfortunate that when star Jimmy arrived, Pau joined, Rose was pretty much toast. That could've been the one excellent offensive team.

But this team has about 4 playmakers/bailout guys. Makes for a far more versatile offense than it was watching Rose hopelessly hero-ball against larger defenders (Lebron) and double/triple teams.


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