OT: Blackhawks Draft / Rebuild

[GRADEN]

Freidge on 32 just said he thinks Avalanche in line for Toews and interest in Kane. Could be nothing but he thinks Toews way more likely to change teams. That’s how I see it too.

I think he goes into the deadline pretty dang good. 12-29-41 in like 55 games type of play before being dealt.

Avalanche could offer Sean Behrens or a 2023 2nd and 2024 3rd and I’d do that. They could trade Toews to a cap relief team and give that team a 3rd and us a 2nd or maybe we take on JT Compher (local guy) and Sean Behrens will another team takes on 2m for a 3rd.

Compher is interesting to me. Great in locker room, 27 years old will be a career middle 6. Id take him on and extend 3x4 range to be a good bridge player that helps guide young players.

Sean Behrens is a nice d prospect at UD that we know well.

Aves get: Jonathan Toews (J. Toews on jersey lol)
Hawks get: JT Compher and Sean Behrens
Senators: 3rd to take on 2m from Aves


Looks like Domi paired with Kane and Blackwell with Toews. Vlasic been paired with Seth too…

Pre season game super soon!!

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[Dominator83]

Last year they effed up big time not taking Demidov. This year they need to make that right.

[Jeffster81]

Last year they effed up big time not taking Demidov. This year they need to make that right.

They drafted a future #1 defenseman. If that is considered "effing up", then I hope they eff up again.

[CROBulls]

Passing on Demidov is gonna cost Blackhawks a 1st line player for Bedard this year. It's a karma. When you trying be smarter than everyone you gonna get f. You need to hope now that Islanders take Hagens because he is a hometown kid. Or both teams pass on Misa which I find superior prospect forward from Hagens, Martone group of players. And if Davidson take another defensman like Schafer he needs to be fired. Unless at draft night is not announced that he is getting young top forward 80 pts player for one of defensmans he has on roster.

Enough is enough.

[Jeffster81]

Passing on Demidov is gonna cost Blackhawks a 1st line player for Bedard this year. It's a karma. When you trying be smarter than everyone you gonna get f. You need to hope now that Islanders take Hagens because he is a hometown kid. Or both teams pass on Misa which I find superior prospect forward from Hagens, Martone group of players. And if Davidson take another defensman like Schafer he needs to be fired. Unless at draft night is not announced that he is getting young top forward 80 pts player for one of defensmans he has on roster.

Enough is enough.

It is harder to find a 1D than it is to find scoring. I am still cool with the choice. KD also tried hard to get back in the top 5 to take Demidov but CBJ did nor play ball. SOL.

Be pissed about the choice but the Hawks got a 1D and I take that over Demidov everyday of the week.

[CROBulls]

Passing on Demidov is gonna cost Blackhawks a 1st line player for Bedard this year. It's a karma. When you trying be smarter than everyone you gonna get f. You need to hope now that Islanders take Hagens because he is a hometown kid. Or both teams pass on Misa which I find superior prospect forward from Hagens, Martone group of players. And if Davidson take another defensman like Schafer he needs to be fired. Unless at draft night is not announced that he is getting young top forward 80 pts player for one of defensmans he has on roster.

Enough is enough.

It is harder to find a 1D than it is to find scoring. I am still cool with the choice. KD also tried hard to get back in the top 5 to take Demidov but CBJ did nor play ball. SOL.

Be pissed about the choice but the Hawks got a 1D and I take that over Demidov everyday of the week.

I would agree with you. IF, and big if, if Levshunov was superior prospect to Demidov. But he was not. What superior between them was not skill between players, but position where no name defensman has more value than no name forward.

So Davidson gambled essentially that Levshunov becoming top defensman has more value down the road than clear and superior forward prospect who can help Bedard prosper.

But now you have another issue. Bedard had a down year, his confidence and his game slowed. No teammate for two years now to develop chemistry with. Unlike Celebrini who is prospering because he has young top forward player on a line capable being a threat. So you have now big issues at forward positions where you dont even know what Bedard is (center or wing), going into 3rd year and you have no player forward prospect in a pipeline on his level to help a team carry.

And you gonna pick worse player than Demidov this year at 3rd pick. And you gonna pray God he develops into even 60 pts player. I am just saying this issues would not exist if you didnt try be smarter than everyone. And if Davidson doesnt nail this draft, there is no Stanley Cup in making. Maybe not even 2nd round playoff team in 5 years.

[Jeffster81]

To tell you truth I prefer Pisa this year with Lev last over Demidov last year and whoever this year

Lev is not a reach and a perfectly acceptable pick.

[CROBulls]

To tell you truth I prefer Pisa this year with Lev last over Demidov last year and whoever this year

Lev is not a reach and a perfectly acceptable pick.

Yes I would maybe too. If Misa is available. He will not be. It's Hagens/Frondell/Martone with Lev vs Demidov. I still prefer Demidov and just gambling on Rinzel being better than Lev.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Quick question. What's the best way to watch Blackhawk games on the cheap (out of market)? I saw that ESPN+ carries a lot of hockey games and is $11/mo, but I want the option to watch every game if possible. Not sure if ESPN+ has EVERY Blackhawks game or just a lot of hockey.

[Dominator83]

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AND.....They pulled another Demidov move. two years in a row

[CROBulls]

Personal opinion once again. Not happy with how draft shaped from beggining. That's more on due how lottery balls panned out.We again missed on best forward, which was Misa. But that's on Davidson prioritizing last year Levshunov over Demidov. In hindsight we will see, Davidson clearly thought this year draft doesnt have multiple high upside defensemen and he was right. Just one and that guy went #1.


I do like Frondell a lot at #3. And I think he is gonna be winning player. And that's best way to describe him. Not flashy kid, no Michigan goals, no unbelivable moves, no highlights moves in arsenal, but just good overall winning hockey player who does small things well and has very good shot.


Other two picks they made are absolutely disasterous and atrocious picks by Davidson. There is no way to defend those decisions. To draft and move up and trade up multiple assets for Mason West specifically. You drafted in first round guy who is not serious about playing hockey full time. Guy who is for next year commited playing football and then gonna switch to hockey at college. Disaster. I dont care how tall and big he is, up and down, this is not Tinder, Kyle Davidson. This is serious organization. And we need one serious organization at Chicago. Even he called in irresponsible move by analytics and drafted this guy on "hunch".

About Vaclav Nestrasil he is big kid, another one with big size forward. Winger. Dont know much about him, makes little bit more sense. But he is another guy who will need to be teached play hockey, because for now his skillset is being big hitter with his size at lower level college. That's not skill, that's bullying until you get play guys bigger and stronger. So another project. And I get betting on size and drafting multiple guys, hoping one of two pans out eventually. But I would certainly like always draft in 1st round a guy with at minimum one elite skill (like Rinzel was great skater, despite being great size). But we will see.


So draft for me is 6/10. And 6 only because of Frondell, otherwise it would be 2/10.

[molepharmer]

....Other two picks they made are absolutely disasterous and atrocious picks by Davidson. There is no way to defend those decisions. To draft and move up and trade up multiple assets for Mason West specifically. You drafted in first round guy who is not serious about playing hockey full time. Guy who is for next year commited playing football and then gonna switch to hockey at college. Disaster. I dont care how tall and big he is, up and down, this is not Tinder, Kyle Davidson. This is serious organization. And we need one serious organization at Chicago. Even he called in irresponsible move by analytics and drafted this guy on "hunch". ..... ..

That's certainly one way to look at it. The other.... KD went for the 'home run' type of pick in West. KD had intel that West wouldn't have lasted until their next pick (#34), so he traded the nearly worthless #62 pick to move up to get his guy. Blackhawks have 6 more picks this year and 2 1sts and 3 2nds in next year's draft; i.e. an abundance of picks, not to mention their already large pool of prospects. West just finished his junior year in HS so he's going to play QB his Senior year of football to try to win the State Championship for his teammates. After football he'll play hockey for Fargo for a couple of months before committing to Michigan State for full-time hockey. He was a finalist for the hockey Player of the Year award after his junior season. All this is in West's combine interview and Doneghey's post draft presser. If this profile was from a top 10 pick, then I'd agree a foolish pick. But at #29, swing for the fences, especially when your prospect pool is loaded and only going to get larger.

[CROBulls]

....Other two picks they made are absolutely disasterous and atrocious picks by Davidson. There is no way to defend those decisions. To draft and move up and trade up multiple assets for Mason West specifically. You drafted in first round guy who is not serious about playing hockey full time. Guy who is for next year commited playing football and then gonna switch to hockey at college. Disaster. I dont care how tall and big he is, up and down, this is not Tinder, Kyle Davidson. This is serious organization. And we need one serious organization at Chicago. Even he called in irresponsible move by analytics and drafted this guy on "hunch". ..... ..

That's certainly one way to look at it. The other.... KD went for the 'home run' type of pick in West. KD had intel that West wouldn't have lasted until their next pick (#34), so he traded the nearly worthless #62 pick to move up to get his guy. Blackhawks have 6 more picks this year and 2 1sts and 3 2nds in next year's draft; i.e. an abundance of picks, not to mention their already large pool of prospects. West just finished his junior year in HS so he's going to play QB his Senior year of football to try to win the State Championship for his teammates. After football he'll play hockey for Fargo for a couple of months before committing to Michigan State for full-time hockey. He was a finalist for the hockey Player of the Year award after his junior season. All this is in West's combine interview and Doneghey's post draft presser. If this profile was from a top 10 pick, then I'd agree a foolish pick. But at #29, swing for the fences, especially when your prospect pool is loaded and only going to get larger.

I dont mind swinging for fences. But I was more swing for fences and packaging picks for guy like Roger McQueen and trade up to 10. Or Eklund who went #16.

Still think trading assets for West was bad missmanagement of assets. And I dont think either will play under Davidson regimee. Either because he gonna get fired in next couple of years if he continues making moves like that, because he certainly left today multiple better players on board just to bet on size.

He made a bet taking two far away projects and hoping they pan out eventually. We talking minimum 3 years from now before even coming to AHL and Rockford, let alone NHL. Like I said this is not Rinzel situation. Given we have plethora of picks I do understand that. We will see. I just dont feel great about them. Specially about guy who is gonna willingly waste year playing football instead working on hockey skills. You need to be so damn confident and egoistic that you believe you can when you already behind other guys in skillset, still take a gap year in hockey, play other sport, and comeback to hockey and compete against guys who doing that for a year.

[molepharmer]

....Other two picks they made are absolutely disasterous and atrocious picks by Davidson. There is no way to defend those decisions. To draft and move up and trade up multiple assets for Mason West specifically. You drafted in first round guy who is not serious about playing hockey full time. Guy who is for next year commited playing football and then gonna switch to hockey at college. Disaster. I dont care how tall and big he is, up and down, this is not Tinder, Kyle Davidson. This is serious organization. And we need one serious organization at Chicago. Even he called in irresponsible move by analytics and drafted this guy on "hunch". ..... ..

That's certainly one way to look at it. The other.... KD went for the 'home run' type of pick in West. KD had intel that West wouldn't have lasted until their next pick (#34), so he traded the nearly worthless #62 pick to move up to get his guy. Blackhawks have 6 more picks this year and 2 1sts and 3 2nds in next year's draft; i.e. an abundance of picks, not to mention their already large pool of prospects. West just finished his junior year in HS so he's going to play QB his Senior year of football to try to win the State Championship for his teammates. After football he'll play hockey for Fargo for a couple of months before committing to Michigan State for full-time hockey. He was a finalist for the hockey Player of the Year award after his junior season. All this is in West's combine interview and Doneghey's post draft presser. If this profile was from a top 10 pick, then I'd agree a foolish pick. But at #29, swing for the fences, especially when your prospect pool is loaded and only going to get larger.

.... Specially about guy who is gonna willingly waste year playing football instead working on hockey skills. You need to be so damn confident and egoistic that you believe you can when you already behind other guys in skillset, still take a gap year in hockey, play other sport, and comeback to hockey and compete against guys who doing that for a year.

Glass half empty or half full, whatever. West isn't taking a year off from hockey. It's only for fall football then heading to Fargo to play hockey before heading to Michigan St. And his current skill set couldn't be too far behind his peers if he was up for the YHH Player of The Year award. Obviously this wasn't a pick based on the most talented now as much as it was a pick based on a 3 year projection. Blackhawks already have a bunch of prospects that are only a year or two away from their NHL dreams.

[Jeffster81]

CROBulls: Other two picks they made are absolutely disasterous and atrocious picks by Davidson.

Settle down there. Let's lay off the hyperbole. Just because Davidson did not pick your guys, does not mean the guys he did take are "disasterous and atrocious."

I remember when fans thought Davidson reached for Nazar and Rinzel and now look at both players. Both are considered core players. I'm giving Davidson some leeway on these two picks.