Official: Jimmy Butler, #16 to Minnesota for Lavine, Dunn, #7 - merged/Justin Patton injured

Chicago-Bull-E · Post #1001 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:11 am

Dunn should be an elite defender in this league if that dolt of a head coach Fred doesn't stunt his growth. I think he'll have a place in this league for a long time, I'm not counting last year against him too much.

Trm3 · Post #1002 » by **Trm3** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:11 am

WOW!

I just woke up to this...

Post #1003 » by **kulaz3000** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:11 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:I mean I am a realist. After calming down a bit, if things work out its a great start.

Dunn was picked by most to be preseason rookie of the year last year. So its not like he is some scrub. He has the most athletic guard we probably have on the roster outside of Lavine. If he can just start right away, he could have a big year.

For some reason I actually do feel good about Lauri. Like he will be everything we wanted Niko to be and more.

I'm with you.

To be honest, I'm less guttered with Butler being traded than I was with Derrick. That's just me being honest, because there was so much heart-ache leading up to him being traded, but even though it was the right move it left me shattered that it actually happened.

With Jimmy, we were eventually going to either have to pay him big money he didn't deserve or lose him for nothing. Now we've got potentially our back court of the future, in Dunn and LaVine which is a decent start, which makes them one of those most athletic back courts out there (if LaVine comes back at full strength). It provides Zipser & Denzel to really show their worth and potential on the team.

The youth movement begins, and it has me quite excited to be honest. Sure, it could fail, but it give us a clean slate with several players with good potential. I honestly would prefer this over Butler leaving for nothing, or having to give him the super max.

Post #1004 » by **DJhitek** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:11 am

HomoSapien wrote:
theanimal23 wrote:

Read on Twitter

WHAT?

Is Kennedy really saying Wade is going to walk away from $24m? Didn't he already tell the Bulls he was picking up his option?

Yeah, that's surprising. If Wade opts out the Bulls will have a TON of cap space. Which means they will overpay someone.

SearsTower · Post #1005 » by **SearsTower** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:11 am

Y'all see the Fire GarPax sign? lmaooo

umfan83 · Post #1006 » by **umfan83** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:12 am

Jcool0 wrote:
umfan83 wrote:
Bulls_Fan wrote:Then that screws our draft position for next draft. Look at this draft. If we would have traded Jimmy at the deadline our best hope for our pick would have probably been 10th.

Trading Jimmy was not about the initial haul but future picks in upcoming drafts.

No trading Jimmy was about acquiring assets that could either be stars or could be traded for potential stars. The Bulls got a guy coming off an ACL tear, a 4 year college player with a horrific rookie season and a high floor low ceiling stretch 4. They got horrible value for a star player. And the fact that they drafted who they did doesn't exactly get me excited about future top picks.

In the NBA you NEVER get fair value when you trade a star.

Present value no, but not getting a top 5 pick in a really good draft is unacceptable. He's one of the 15 best players in the NBA, this is an awful return punctuated by an awful pick at #7

Post #1007 » by **Rerisen** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:12 am

I keep going back to one of the top singular complaints that served as rationale for this:

"Jimmy Butler is not a real #1, he can't lead a team to a title."

How is anything we got in this deal a good bet to become the #1 that CAN lead you to a title or to become a top 5 player in the league that Jimmy supposedly wasn't. :-?

WindyCityBorn · Post #1008 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:12 am

theanimal23 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Good. I don't want Wade back.

chrispatrick · Post #1009 » by **chrispatrick** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:12 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
jStuNNa wrote:
The Bulls may have gotten one all-star tonight. Even after a stinker of a year, it's hard to imagine Kris Dunn at the very least, not becoming a very good starter for years to come. He definitely still has all-star potential regardless of what happened this past year in Minnesota.

Markkanen at first glance, looks good. As you watch more though, It's hard to see his ceiling any higher than a good role player since doesn't play defense or rebound well. Otherwise, he'd be a really good prospect. He just seems very one dimensional.

Kriss Dunn could potentially be a great #2 option on a contender. Bulls need to tank hard and try to get a #1 option to pair with him.

Dude, Kris Dunn is a bum.

He's only 4 years younger than Jimmy.

ONLY 4 years younger. 23 is pretty damn young. Jimmy wasn't doing anything at that age under Thibs.

At the time, Butler was the 2nd best player on a 40 something win team and had a great on/off court rating that he maintained every year of his career. He had not developed offensively but was a top 5-10 defensive player in the NBA.

Susan · Post #1010 » by **Susan** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:12 am

DJhitek wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
theanimal23 wrote:

Read on Twitter

WHAT?

Is Kennedy really saying Wade is going to walk away from $24m? Didn't he already tell the Bulls he was picking up his option?

Yeah, that's surprising. If Wade opts out the Bulls will have a TON of cap space. Which means they will overpay someone.

TheSuzerain · Post #1011 » by **TheSuzerain** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:12 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
jStuNNa wrote:
The Bulls may have gotten one all-star tonight. Even after a stinker of a year, it's hard to imagine Kris Dunn at the very least, not becoming a very good starter for years to come. He definitely still has all-star potential regardless of what happened this past year in Minnesota.

Markkanen at first glance, looks good. As you watch more though, It's hard to see his ceiling any higher than a good role player since doesn't play defense or rebound well. Otherwise, he'd be a really good prospect. He just seems very one dimensional.

Kriss Dunn could potentially be a great #2 option on a contender. Bulls need to tank hard and try to get a #1 option to pair with him.

Dude, Kris Dunn is a bum.

He's only 4 years younger than Jimmy.

ONLY 4 years younger. 23 is pretty damn young. Jimmy wasn't doing anything at that age under Thibs.

At age 23, Jimmy started 12 playoff games and averaged 40 minutes per game in the playoffs under Thibs.

Any more brain busters?

musiqsoulchild · Post #1012 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:13 am

theanimal23 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Lollolololol!!!

Thanks for selling us those jerseys...Man from Robins, IL. Now, GTFOH.

kurtatx · Post #1013 » by **kurtatx** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:13 am

DJhitek wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
theanimal23 wrote:

Read on Twitter

WHAT?

Is Kennedy really saying Wade is going to walk away from $24m? Didn't he already tell the Bulls he was picking up his option?

Yeah, that's surprising. If Wade opts out the Bulls will have a TON of cap space. Which means they will overpay someone.

Overpay short term. No big. Rebuild is about drafting, and drafted players are cheap.

Shill · Post #1014 » by **Shill** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:13 am

umfan83 wrote:They got horrible value for a star player.

What would've been good value?

What was available? Apparently Boston didn't even want to give up the 3rd pick.

Jcool0 · Post #1015 » by **Jcool0** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:13 am

umfan83 wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
umfan83 wrote:
No trading Jimmy was about acquiring assets that could either be stars or could be traded for potential stars. The Bulls got a guy coming off an ACL tear, a 4 year college player with a horrific rookie season and a high floor low ceiling stretch 4. They got horrible value for a star player. And the fact that they drafted who they did doesn't exactly get me excited about future top picks.

In the NBA you NEVER get fair value when you trade a star.

Present value no, but not getting a top 5 pick in a really good draft is unacceptable. He's one of the 15 best players in the NBA, this is an awful return punctuated by an awful pick at #7

Bulls got pick 7. You are acting like it was pick 20.

musiqsoulchild · Post #1016 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:14 am

Susan wrote:
DJhitek wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
WHAT?

Is Kennedy really saying Wade is going to walk away from $24m? Didn't he already tell the Bulls he was picking up his option?

Yeah, that's surprising. If Wade opts out the Bulls will have a TON of cap space. Which means they will overpay someone.

Wouldnt be a bad team at all. There's be a lot of free flowing offense. Especially, if you resign Niko and trade Wade for Melo.

MGB8 · Post #1017 » by **MGB8** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:14 am

Ctownbulls wrote:So...for those arguing about Porzingis earlier. Would you rather have the 3 pieces we got or Porzingis...what a joke this franchise is.

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Porzingis is clearly a better talent. He rebounds and plays D. This guy is Matt Bonner with a bit more offensive upside - he does have a couple of moves, etc. but very iffy if that translates, as opposed to just being Taller Bonner.

Post #1018 » by **kulaz3000** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:14 am

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Dunn should be an elite defender in this league if that dolt of a head coach Fred doesn't stunt his growth. I think he'll have a place in this league for a long time, I'm not counting last year against him too much.

Remember Thib's buried Jimmy for a long time as well, and probably even for longer if it wasn't the injuries that allowed Jimmy to advance and showcase his skills earlier.

I definitely think people are putting too much weight into Dunn's first year. He is a legitimate lottery pick, and I think he'll end up surprising a lot of people.

That said, with Butler being the one who LaVine and Dunn traded for, they are going to have to prove to Chicago that they were worth it. It's going to be a much faster team, that much is for certain and I'm looking forward to seeing the team in action.

And if we were going to miss the playoffs next season, it's a strong draft class next season as well. Let's see how the rest of the off season pans out though, because if we end up with OP, we could be decent and actually still make the playoffs, and if that happens it mean LaVine had bounced back, Dunn is actually a good point guard, and the rookie was better than most on the Bulls board give him credit for eventually.

Really excited to see how Denzel and Paul step up as well.

Ctownbulls · Post #1019 » by **Ctownbulls** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:14 am

Can't believe Bulls are going to win under 20 games next year and suck for the next 5...by the time 2022 rolls around the Bulls will have had 1 really competitive season in 25 years...

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chrispatrick · Post #1020 » by **chrispatrick** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:14 am

Jcool0 wrote:
umfan83 wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
In the NBA you NEVER get fair value when you trade a star.

Present value no, but not getting a top 5 pick in a really good draft is unacceptable. He's one of the 15 best players in the NBA, this is an awful return punctuated by an awful pick at #7

Bulls got pick 7. You are acting like it was pick 20.

The comparison are Channing Frye/Niko Mirtoic/Ryan Anderson.

Butler is the 10th-12th best player in the NBA.