Wendell Carter Jr - The Block Panther Edition

[kulaz3000]

I feel that Wendell has lots of untapped aspects of his game that he did not show in college due to the talent they had on the team. The fact that he could sacrifice certain parts of his game for the team is a testament to the type of person and player he is.

I think similar to what we discovered in Lauri his rookie season, I think that we are going to be surprised at the different dimensions of his game we never saw or expected that he'd have. Plus, I'm just super excited to see a front court of Wendell and Lauri, hopefully our front court of the future.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Spoiler:

Jordan wore #23, Pippen wore #33
Lauri wears #24, Carter wears #34


Calculating....

6 championships confirmed.

[kulaz3000]

Spoiler:

Jordan wore #23, Pippen wore #33
Lauri wears #24, Carter wears #34


Calculating....

6 championships confirmed.

I'm just glad to see a big man wear a big man type of number.

I know, it's a silly thing to say, but I always liked when big men wore numbers above 30 for whatever odd reason.

[bad knees]

I remember someone trustworthy saying that future picks were involved and you better your sweet *** they weren't 2nd rounders.

I have seen no one say that MEM wanted multiple future picks, or even one future pick, plus unloading Parsons’ contract. I think you are referring to KC’s article, which was inartfully worded and unclear. The only writer who was definitive was Sam Smith, and he mentioned only Parsons’ contract.

But as I said in my other post, I like WCJ a lot and hope very much that the Bulls are right when they say that Lauri and Wendell can play together in all circumstances.


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[johnnyvann840]

Spoiler:

Jordan wore #23, Pippen wore #33
Lauri wears #24, Carter wears #34


Calculating....

6 championships confirmed.

2>3>5>3>3>6>2>4>6>3>4>?

answer=7

Fibonacci sequence and 7 championships confirmed! (sort of) Get it?






Wendell gets it. He turned down Harvard. College not the only reason he chose 34.

[johnnyvann840]

2>3>5>8>13>21>34>55>89

Or it could be 8 or 9 Championships. If you do a real Fibonacci, if you start with MJ and end with Wendell. Add one more number and you get 89. Meaning 8 or 9 titles.


Yeah, I'm gonna go with 8 or 9. This is great news!

[BullsFTW]

Please provide a source to support your contention that MEM was demanding 7, 22, a future first, and taking on Parsons’ contract. I have seen nothing to support it. And given that ATL only a demanded a future first in the trade for Doncic, it seems highly unlikely that MEM would or could demand so much.


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Source? There’s no way to know for sure. It’s been reported forever the Grizzlies would move down at the price of Parsons, and Pax vaguely referenced future draft capital as a reason they didn’t trade up. Just putting the pieces together. And the fact that 3 for 5 and a future 1st happened and the Bulls has discussions to move up but reportedly never got close could jive with Memphis wanting way more for their trade.

But yeah, you’re right, I don’t have a recording of their draft discussions.

Edit: and to throw this out there, I don’t see much evidence of any kind that either JJJ or Bamba are better basketball players than Carter. Never have.

Well, the way you wrote your post suggested that at the least some reporter had said that MEM was demanding all that. Really, the only source that we have that was definitive about what MEM was seeking was Sam Smith, who wrote in his post draft article that all MEM sought was someone to take on Parsons’ contract. That’s also the fairest reading of KC’s post draft article. The issue was not addressed with any precision at all in the post draft press conference.

Look, I like WCJ a lot. If we did not have Lauri, and we were looking for one young big to build a team around, WCJ would have my wholehearted support. But the Bulls and this board assume that Lauri is the cornerstone going forward. So he is going nowhere. And I believe that, given this assumption, JJJ is by a significant margin the better fit and taking on Parsons’ contract would have been a small price to pay to get a pair of bigs who could clearly excel as a duo against whatever the other team put out there.

But enough. Let’s hope WCJ and Lauri really can play together under all circumstances, even when other teams go small. If they can, the Bulls will have a bright future because Wendell already is a good high low passer, and already has a post game that will abuse any small guy who tries to cover him.


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I really like both JJJ and WCJ, and preferred them over Bamba and Bagley. But is the talent disparity really that much of a difference between JJJ and WCJ that'll cost the Bulls $50M?

To me, both JJJ and WCJ are the most skilled bigs in the draft who plays well on both ends. JJJ has a slight edge on potential, but WCJ makes it up for his better all around skills. Honestly I would've been fine with either or.

[BR0D1E86]

I remember someone trustworthy saying that future picks were involved and you better your sweet *** they weren't 2nd rounders.

I have seen no one say that MEM wanted multiple future picks, or even one future pick, plus unloading Parsons’ contract. I think you are referring to KC’s article, which was inartfully worded and unclear. The only writer who was definitive was Sam Smith, and he mentioned only Parsons’ contract.

But as I said in my other post, I like WCJ a lot and hope very much that the Bulls are right when they say that Lauri and Wendell can play together in all circumstances.


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I mean, Paxson said he didn’t want to give up future draft assets. Granted he could have been talking about anyone, but the 4th pick is the only one that was logically in play for us given the Doncic trade. And there were dozens of reports leading up to the draft that Memphis was looking into moving down with Parsons contract attached.

It’s not definitive, but it paints a pretty compelling picture.

[kingkirk]

Yes I do because he has the lateral quickness. Draymond Green went 2nd round, did you laugh at GS?

Are you using an outlier like Green to compare Mitchell Robinson to him, or to suggest Robinson, despite his character issues, will actually be a successful player worthy of the 7th selection in the draft?

[Repeat 3-peat]

2>3>5>8>13>21>34>55>89

Or it could be 8 or 9 Championships. If you do a real Fibonacci, if you start with MJ and end with Wendell. Add one more number and you get 89. Meaning 8 or 9 titles.


Yeah, I'm gonna go with 8 or 9. This is great news!

[johnnyvann840]

2>3>5>8>13>21>34>55>89

Or it could be 8 or 9 Championships. If you do a real Fibonacci, if you start with MJ and end with Wendell. Add one more number and you get 89. Meaning 8 or 9 titles.


Yeah, I'm gonna go with 8 or 9. This is great news!

I'm just afraid this means we should have kept E'twuan Moore. He is the missing piece, 55, to make 8 or 9. 34+55=89

Good thing is Lavine (8) is part of the equation. So is Bobby (5). Bring back Noah? I don't think so. We have to give 13 to somebody else though....and 21.

[bennjuiced34]

Carter looked so much better and more comfortable without Bagley. But what impresses me the most is the little things he does on both ends (tips out rebounds, rotations, forcing turnovers and steals). Things that don't show up in the box score.

2 biggest improvements I have for him are developing his jumper/range and going quicker on offense. When he's assertive, he usually gets a good look. It's when he waits that things fall apart and his physical limitations show. Kid is gonna be a really good all around player.

[kulaz3000]

I remember someone trustworthy saying that future picks were involved and you better your sweet *** they weren't 2nd rounders.

I have seen no one say that MEM wanted multiple future picks, or even one future pick, plus unloading Parsons’ contract. I think you are referring to KC’s article, which was inartfully worded and unclear. The only writer who was definitive was Sam Smith, and he mentioned only Parsons’ contract.

But as I said in my other post, I like WCJ a lot and hope very much that the Bulls are right when they say that Lauri and Wendell can play together in all circumstances.


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I mean, Paxson said he didn’t want to give up future draft assets. Granted he could have been talking about anyone, but the 4th pick is the only one that was logically in play for us given the Doncic trade. And there were dozens of reports leading up to the draft that Memphis was looking into moving down with Parsons contract attached.

It’s not definitive, but it paints a pretty compelling picture.

I think people are making this situation a lot more complicated than it really is.

Maybe Gar and Paxson simply didn't think the difference in talent in a player they had left on the board at 4, would be too significant in talent with Wendell, that they were willing to give up a future first round pick, or even number 22 to obtain. And quite frankly, I'd prefer to take my chances on two players, then one myself.

Perhaps others are more enamoured by JJJ and Bamba than I am, but I think I would have ultimately made the same decision to keep the number 22, and most certainly a future first pick, and been happy that Wendell just as much potential than either of those bigs.

[MrFortune3]

I have seen no one say that MEM wanted multiple future picks, or even one future pick, plus unloading Parsons’ contract. I think you are referring to KC’s article, which was inartfully worded and unclear. The only writer who was definitive was Sam Smith, and he mentioned only Parsons’ contract.

But as I said in my other post, I like WCJ a lot and hope very much that the Bulls are right when they say that Lauri and Wendell can play together in all circumstances.


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I mean, Paxson said he didn’t want to give up future draft assets. Granted he could have been talking about anyone, but the 4th pick is the only one that was logically in play for us given the Doncic trade. And there were dozens of reports leading up to the draft that Memphis was looking into moving down with Parsons contract attached.

It’s not definitive, but it paints a pretty compelling picture.

I think people are making this situation a lot more complicated than it really is.

Maybe Gar and Paxson simply didn't think the difference in talent in a player they had left on the board at 4, would be too significant in talent with Wendell, that they were willing to give up a future first round pick, or even number 22 to obtain. And quite frankly, I'd prefer to take my chances on two players, then one myself.

Perhaps others are more enamoured by JJJ and Bamba than I am, but I think I would have ultimately made the same decision to keep the number 22, and most certainly a future first pick, and been happy that Wendell just as much potential than either of those bigs.

I think the Bulls FO is still in talent acquisition mode and they want to preserve as much ammunition as possible.
If the difference between JJJ, Bagley or Bamba vs Carter Jr is not viewed as highly drastic and clearly it was not, then I think you have to make the decision the FO made and stand pat while getting 2 shots to add to the talent pool.

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Maybe Pax just learned a lesson from the McDermott trade.

[RebuildaBulls]

After watching a bunch of highlights from Duke again plus some of his highschool highlights, I think Carter Jr might be pretty good pick and he still has room for growth. The way he plays it looks like the game is easy to him, which is always a good sign. But I dont think he will be an all-star calibur player yet. Cant wait for SL

Hutchison is the opposite, in college seems like he plays at 200%. In a weak conference that effort works against inferior talent but against elite talent it gets alot tougher. Hope it translates

[bad knees]

I remember someone trustworthy saying that future picks were involved and you better your sweet *** they weren't 2nd rounders.

I have seen no one say that MEM wanted multiple future picks, or even one future pick, plus unloading Parsons’ contract. I think you are referring to KC’s article, which was inartfully worded and unclear. The only writer who was definitive was Sam Smith, and he mentioned only Parsons’ contract.

But as I said in my other post, I like WCJ a lot and hope very much that the Bulls are right when they say that Lauri and Wendell can play together in all circumstances.


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I mean, Paxson said he didn’t want to give up future draft assets. Granted he could have been talking about anyone, but the 4th pick is the only one that was logically in play for us given the Doncic trade. And there were dozens of reports leading up to the draft that Memphis was looking into moving down with Parsons contract attached.

It’s not definitive, but it paints a pretty compelling picture.

Huh? Paxson said they talked with bunch of teams without naming them, and then made a general statement about future draft assets. How can you deduce from that that MEM also wanted a future draft pick in addition to dumping Parsons? How can you deduce anything about any particular team? Whenever anyone talked specifically about MEM, the only thing they ever mentioned was Parsons’ salary. And what’s your explanation for what Sam Smith had to say- that he just got it wrong?


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[BullsFTW]

Really excited to see WCJ play in summer league. He lost about 10 pounds from the college season and he looks ripped. He should be a lot quicker and more explosive. Hopefully he kept all of his strength.

[wonderboy2]

I was watching NBA TV last night. They asked which rookie will make the biggest impact. They said Wendell Carter Jr because with our nice young core he will help them fight for a playoff spot.

But wait our young guys suck.... says. Realgm board.

[bad knees]

I have seen no one say that MEM wanted multiple future picks, or even one future pick, plus unloading Parsons’ contract. I think you are referring to KC’s article, which was inartfully worded and unclear. The only writer who was definitive was Sam Smith, and he mentioned only Parsons’ contract.

But as I said in my other post, I like WCJ a lot and hope very much that the Bulls are right when they say that Lauri and Wendell can play together in all circumstances.


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I mean, Paxson said he didn’t want to give up future draft assets. Granted he could have been talking about anyone, but the 4th pick is the only one that was logically in play for us given the Doncic trade. And there were dozens of reports leading up to the draft that Memphis was looking into moving down with Parsons contract attached.

It’s not definitive, but it paints a pretty compelling picture.

Huh? Paxson said they talked with bunch of teams without naming them, and then made a general statement about future draft assets. How can you deduce from that that MEM also wanted a future draft pick in addition to dumping Parsons? How can you deduce anything about any particular team? Whenever anyone talked specifically about MEM, the only thing they ever mentioned was Parsons’ salary. And what’s your explanation for what Sam Smith had to say- that he just got it wrong?

Plus there are multiple reports out that DAL chose to send the first round pick instead of swapping Matthews for Bazemore, which would have cost DAL $19 M in cap space. The idea that MEM was asking for multiple picks in addition to taking on Parsons’ salary is just contrary to the evidence and common sense.


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