Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[sco]

I wonder how much Derrick will command. He's hard to price. He deserves more than the MLE. Maybe 10 a yr for 3yrs with the last yr being a team option? Or is that too low? I would make that offer at least and see what his agent says

With the rising cap, the MLE will be set at ~$9.1 mil next year.

He may get $9-$10M, but IMO, he is not looking too durable. I'm fine not bringing him back. That money is better spend elsewhere.

[Ugly Duckling]

I wonder how much Derrick will command. He's hard to price. He deserves more than the MLE. Maybe 10 a yr for 3yrs with the last yr being a team option? Or is that too low? I would make that offer at least and see what his agent says

With the rising cap, the MLE will be set at ~$9.1 mil next year.

Yeah maybe 12 then

[Ugly Duckling]

I wonder how much Derrick will command. He's hard to price. He deserves more than the MLE. Maybe 10 a yr for 3yrs with the last yr being a team option? Or is that too low? I would make that offer at least and see what his agent says

With the rising cap, the MLE will be set at ~$9.1 mil next year.

He may get $9-$10M, but IMO, he is not looking too durable. I'm fine not bringing him back. That money is better spend elsewhere.

He hasn't had anything major this yr. He's not going to play 82 games, but maybe the games he doesn't play will allow Morant to develop faster. He would also be a good mentor for Morant. He's only 30. He has at least a few really good yrs left, especially with the improved jumper

[bigworld2017]

Brunson's value has gone up, not down, since the time of the draft. You're not getting him for the same or less than what they gave up for him.

Yeah, but where are his minutes if they sign Kemba? They also have other guards like Devin Harris, Brea (now injured), Trey Burke. I'd at least make the phone call.

[sco]

Saw this today: https://pippenainteasy.com/2019/03/13/chicago-bulls-3-potential-trade-destinations-kris-dunn/2/

To me this says Dunn's market value is a 2nd rounder, salary filler, and his best use is to help offload Felicio. Feels right.

[terry]

Saw this today: https://pippenainteasy.com/2019/03/13/chicago-bulls-3-potential-trade-destinations-kris-dunn/2/

To me this says Dunn's market value is a 2nd rounder, salary filler, and his best use is to help offload Felicio. Feels right.

I'd totally do that second trade. The Dunn, Felicio, 2021 1st pick for Conley.

[sco]

Saw this today: https://pippenainteasy.com/2019/03/13/chicago-bulls-3-potential-trade-destinations-kris-dunn/2/

To me this says Dunn's market value is a 2nd rounder, salary filler, and his best use is to help offload Felicio. Feels right.

I'd totally do that second trade. The Dunn, Felicio, 2021 1st pick for Conley.

I wouldn't mind it, but I think Conley's deal is $32M for next 2 seasons with, I think, a team option after next season. Not sure how that aligns with our guys, but it does align well with his age.

[bigworld2017]

Saw this today: https://pippenainteasy.com/2019/03/13/chicago-bulls-3-potential-trade-destinations-kris-dunn/2/

To me this says Dunn's market value is a 2nd rounder, salary filler, and his best use is to help offload Felicio. Feels right.

I'd totally do that second trade. The Dunn, Felicio, 2021 1st pick for Conley.

That's the least attractive of the 3 proposed trades to me. Conley is old. Way too expensive. I'd never give up a First Round pick for a player that old. If Conley were 3 years younger and $10 Million a year cheaper then OK. Conley's contract is an albatross. No thanks. Same with Wall on the Wizards. I'd rather trade down this year, pick up two picks from someone like Boston, then use one of those picks to trade for Jalen Brunson of Dallas. Dallas might be wiling to trade him if then sign Kemba Walker as a FA.

[panthermark]

Given the assets going out....I would do a Dunn for Teague swap before Conley. Conley is the better player (over Teague), but I can't see giving up a first round pick to get him. This is assuming Teague does not opt out this summer.

[Ccwatercraft]

Brunson's value has gone up, not down, since the time of the draft. You're not getting him for the same or less than what they gave up for him.

Yeah, but where are his minutes if they sign Kemba? They also have other guards like Devin Harris, Brea (now injured), Trey Burke. I'd at least make the phone call.

Make the call for sure, hes a good ball player.

ps, those others listed are all free agents I believe, Brunson is on a cheap rookie deal with control for a couple more years, I seriously doubt he's going anywhere, Dallas won't benefit from trading him for crappy picks, they might trade him for player assets if they think the asset is a bargain vs a free agent signing (which they will be doing a LOT of this offseason)

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Conley is the right player, but that contract is terrible and it wouldn’t sit right with me to be massively overpaying 2 guys on this team that are making $30+ millions dollars and are not even all-stars.

Would be a good exercise just to take inventory of Conley-like, pass first PGs and work from there.

[drosereturn]

Conley is the right player, but that contract is terrible and it wouldn’t sit right with me to be massively overpaying 2 guys on this team that are making $30+ millions dollars and are not even all-stars.

Would be a good exercise just to take inventory of Conley-like, pass first PGs and work from there.

That's why you dump Dunn, Felicio with a protected 1st to get Conley just like they did with Porter by dumping garbage on WASH.
Having cap space literally doesnt matter a lot if ur not going to use it on Tier 1 FAs.
Likely Conley, OPJ, Lavine, WCJ perform borderline all-stars in the next several years while Markk hopefully becomes Bulls version of Dirk. If thats the case, they dont need any tier 1 FAs but thats a big if.

[CoreyVillains]

Conley is the right player, but that contract is terrible and it wouldn’t sit right with me to be massively overpaying 2 guys on this team that are making $30+ millions dollars and are not even all-stars.

Would be a good exercise just to take inventory of Conley-like, pass first PGs and work from there.

His contract really doesn’t matter much to us as he’s better than any FA we could obtain this year and it only runs two more years, aligning with Porter’s contract. The 2020 FA class is awful so rolling it over doesn’t make sense either. It’d also be plausible for him to make an all-star team in the East next year.

[sco]

Conley is the right player, but that contract is terrible and it wouldn’t sit right with me to be massively overpaying 2 guys on this team that are making $30+ millions dollars and are not even all-stars.

Would be a good exercise just to take inventory of Conley-like, pass first PGs and work from there.

His contract really doesn’t matter much to us as he’s better than any FA we could obtain this year and it only runs two more years, aligning with Porter’s contract. The 2020 FA class is awful so rolling it over doesn’t make sense either. It’d also be plausible for him to make an all-star team in the East next year.

I agree but don't want to give up a core piece or a 1st to get him (sure I'd do a deal without a first and include any of Dunn, Val, Hutch plus Shrek). I'd much rather keep a 1st and go after Brogdon.

[CoreyVillains]

Conley is the right player, but that contract is terrible and it wouldn’t sit right with me to be massively overpaying 2 guys on this team that are making $30+ millions dollars and are not even all-stars.

Would be a good exercise just to take inventory of Conley-like, pass first PGs and work from there.

His contract really doesn’t matter much to us as he’s better than any FA we could obtain this year and it only runs two more years, aligning with Porter’s contract. The 2020 FA class is awful so rolling it over doesn’t make sense either. It’d also be plausible for him to make an all-star team in the East next year.

I agree but don't want to give up a core piece or a 1st to get him (sure I'd do a deal without a first and include any of Dunn, Val, Hutch plus Shrek). I'd much rather keep a 1st and go after Brogdon.

I think that is a totally reasonable viewpoint. Personally I think Brogdon is a little overrated for what his price tag will be and I'd rather commit big short term money to a good player rather than the four year deal we'd have to sign Brogdon to. He is clearly a very good shooter and very capable of attacking close outs, but he's pretty limited offensively beyond that. He has also played almost all of his minutes at SG this year. If we're confident in giving the keys to Zach full time then Brogdon is a great fit. Personally I'd rather let a guy like Conley drive the car and give Zach more opportunity off the ball (while not taking it away from him entirely). With Conley and Porter's contracts expiring at the same time in 2020-2021 it would make us players in a pretty good free agent class as we wouldnt have a ton of money on the books at that point. And if all it took was us giving Memphis a protected first, Dunn, and fillers, I don't think it'd be an overpay by any stretch.

[sco]

His contract really doesn’t matter much to us as he’s better than any FA we could obtain this year and it only runs two more years, aligning with Porter’s contract. The 2020 FA class is awful so rolling it over doesn’t make sense either. It’d also be plausible for him to make an all-star team in the East next year.

I agree but don't want to give up a core piece or a 1st to get him (sure I'd do a deal without a first and include any of Dunn, Val, Hutch plus Shrek). I'd much rather keep a 1st and go after Brogdon.

I think that is a totally reasonable viewpoint. Personally I think Brogdon is a little overrated for what his price tag will be and I'd rather commit big short term money to a good player rather than the four year deal we'd have to sign Brogdon to. He is clearly a very good shooter and very capable of attacking close outs, but he's pretty limited offensively beyond that. He has also played almost all of his minutes at SG this year. If we're confident in giving the keys to Zach full time then Brogdon is a great fit. Personally I'd rather let a guy like Conley drive the car and give Zach more opportunity off the ball (while not taking it away from him entirely). With Conley and Porter's contracts expiring at the same time in 2020-2021 it would make us players in a pretty good free agent class as we wouldnt have a ton of money on the books at that point. And if all it took was us giving Memphis a protected first, Dunn, and fillers, I don't think it'd be an overpay by any stretch.

I get your mindset, it's one that many share - i.e. let's be as good as we can be and then see if we can be better in FA market in a few years. I just see Conley as a concession that this group can't win it all, and we're just gonna treadmill for a while. I'm not saying Brogdon is better than Conley, I am saying that he could be in a couple years and at least gives you a longer window to work with. He has essentially played SG out of necessity, rather than design. I've seen him do some nice things as a playmaker, but you have Bledsoe and Giannis who are ball dominant.

[KevinPandawong]

Batum+Bridges+2019 1st(11) for Felicio+Valentine+2019 1st (4)

If Culver is off the board before the Bulls draft, I want out of the top-4. I think pre-draft hype around players like Barrett and Morant could sway Charlotte into trading up and the Bulls would sweeten the deal by taking one of the worst contracts in the league off their hands.

Bulls let Lavine+Porter+Markkanen+Carter+Bridges+11th pick feature themselves on the roster and round it out with vet min steals. Personally, I think Miles Bridges is worth the 2 year hit to the cap space, they'd still be able to sign a vet PG with the MLE.

I don't really care how the cap is used in that window anyways, as long as they set themselves up to be a major player(2 max slots) in the summer of Lauri's extension. Charlotte IMO needs to add a little more value to the deal, but Miles Bridges would easily go top-5 in this draft for me and there's a lot of solid talent available at the end of this year's lotto.

[WindyCityBorn]

Batum+Bridges+2019 1st(11) for Felicio+Valentine+2019 1st (4)

If Culver is off the board before the Bulls draft, I want out of the top-4. I think pre-draft hype around players like Barrett and Morant could sway Charlotte into trading up and the Bulls would sweeten the deal by taking one of the worst contracts in the league off their hands.

Bulls let Lavine+Porter+Markkanen+Carter+Bridges+11th pick feature themselves on the roster and round it out with vet min steals. Personally, I think Miles Bridges is worth the 2 year hit to the cap space, they'd still be able to sign a vet PG with the MLE.

I don't really care how the cap is used in that window anyways, as long as they set themselves up to be a major player(2 max slots) in the summer of Lauri's extension. Charlotte IMO needs to add a little more value to the deal, but Miles Bridges would easily go top-5 in this draft for me and there's a lot of solid talent available at the end of this year's lotto.

No thanks. No way in Hell would I take Bridges over Morant or Barrett.

[sco]

Batum+Bridges+2019 1st(11) for Felicio+Valentine+2019 1st (4)

If Culver is off the board before the Bulls draft, I want out of the top-4. I think pre-draft hype around players like Barrett and Morant could sway Charlotte into trading up and the Bulls would sweeten the deal by taking one of the worst contracts in the league off their hands.

Bulls let Lavine+Porter+Markkanen+Carter+Bridges+11th pick feature themselves on the roster and round it out with vet min steals. Personally, I think Miles Bridges is worth the 2 year hit to the cap space, they'd still be able to sign a vet PG with the MLE.

I don't really care how the cap is used in that window anyways, as long as they set themselves up to be a major player(2 max slots) in the summer of Lauri's extension. Charlotte IMO needs to add a little more value to the deal, but Miles Bridges would easily go top-5 in this draft for me and there's a lot of solid talent available at the end of this year's lotto.

No thanks. No way in Hell would I take Bridges over Morant or Barrett.

Good point. And while I might consider it for Morant (depending how he does in tourney and combine), Batum's contract has too high of an opportunity cost for me to want.

[WindyCityBorn]

Batum+Bridges+2019 1st(11) for Felicio+Valentine+2019 1st (4)

If Culver is off the board before the Bulls draft, I want out of the top-4. I think pre-draft hype around players like Barrett and Morant could sway Charlotte into trading up and the Bulls would sweeten the deal by taking one of the worst contracts in the league off their hands.

Bulls let Lavine+Porter+Markkanen+Carter+Bridges+11th pick feature themselves on the roster and round it out with vet min steals. Personally, I think Miles Bridges is worth the 2 year hit to the cap space, they'd still be able to sign a vet PG with the MLE.

I don't really care how the cap is used in that window anyways, as long as they set themselves up to be a major player(2 max slots) in the summer of Lauri's extension. Charlotte IMO needs to add a little more value to the deal, but Miles Bridges would easily go top-5 in this draft for me and there's a lot of solid talent available at the end of this year's lotto.

No thanks. No way in Hell would I take Bridges over Morant or Barrett.

Good point. And while I might consider it for Morant (depending how he does in tourney and combine), Batum's contract has too high of an opportunity cost for me to want.

That to. They should compensate us with a 1st for that terrible contract. We already have a better SF in Porter