Official: DeRozan! Player of the Week p69

[Jahensle]

Does DeRozan actually play power forward now? I keep people listing him as a PF in their mock lineups. Slightly confused about that.

[Mbrahv0528]

Someone mentioned this yesterday but was also listening to ESPN radio and Nick Friedel pops up . This Fkn guy is suuuch a hater.I don’t think he has ever said one good thing about the bulls. He was saying that all this noise/signing is for nothing. While the GSW ( who re reports for)made the right move which was Otto Porter LOL WHAT?

Fk that guy,I’m glad he’s done reporting for the bulls and don’t get how he got the job to begin with.

Some of my worst moments as a fan, was listening to Nick F constantly talk **** about literally everything that had to do with the Bulls... as the damn Bulls BEAT WRITER.

**** Nick Friedell and his ****, uninformed opinions.

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[jnrjr79]

Whether we overpaid Derozan or not is irrelevant to whether or not it was a good signing. AK chose an all in path when he traded for Vuc, and god damnit he followed up by actually going all in, bless his heart.

We’re over the cap. Being a little more over the cap is irrelevant unless we ignore meaningful talent upgrades to save money.

The problem with the Hollinger piece is the implied premise is that the goal of NBA roster construction is to acquire a team of players whose performance meets or exceeds their contract. Sure, generally that's good, but the goal of NBA roster construction is to (1) win NBA games and (2) if you're not a contender, give yourself a path to becoming one.

As fans, we should not care about whether individual players are overpaid, unless it's tying your hands and preventing other, more productive moves. All teams are going to consist of guys you think are worth less or more than their contracts, and a lot of that is just timing/salary inflation. With Derozan, if you agree it at least makes the Bulls marginally better, and particularly if you agree that his contract is not unmovable (which seems like a fair proposition), then who exactly was it the Bulls were supposed to S&T for that was available to them that would have been better?

They don't hand out Larry O'Brien trophies to teams that most accurately line up contract values to on-court performance.

They do in fact hand out Larry O'Brien trophies to teams that have the players that most exceed their contract values.

No, they only hand it out if you win 4 games in the NBA Finals.

Derozan won't exceed his. Lavine will for 1 more year. Vucevic potentially can for 2 more years (position issues aside).

I don't see a window unless this is followed up with a trade for an actual superstar or PWill vastly exceeds current expectations of his ceiling.

Well, of course! One assumes the whole idea here is to replicate something like what Toronto had - a team with a lot of good players that puts you in a position to make a move for a disgruntled star.

The Bulls had no "build a champion now" option. So, you're left with continued tear-downs and a draft-based approach, or alternatively acting like the big market team you are, getting as good as you can, attempting to bolster yourself as an attractive destination, and acquiring as much talent as possible that can be offloaded in the future when an opportunity arises.

I'm glad they went with door #2 for once in my damned life.

[Kurt Heimlich]

Does DeRozan actually play power forward now? I keep people listing him as a PF in their mock lineups. Slightly confused about that.

I know Bref had him labeled as "PF" on their website for last season. But that designation is relatively meaningless on its own now a days(as are most old school positional definitions).

He's not a good 3 point shooter, and doesn't take many of them. So offensively I guess you could say he operates more like what we might call a "PF" in the midgame/post/foul drawing areas. But he's a 6'6'' ball handler who you probably don't want defending/rebounding with strong 6'10'' guys if you can avoid it which obviously fits more with the wing job description.

[Ice Man]

I don’t understand the narrative that DeMar DeRozan is over-paid. Compared to who?

All these guys are paid more:

Kris Middleton
Gordon Hayward
Tobias Harris
Brandon Ingram
Paul George
Andrew Wiggins

IMO, that’s just the going rate for a quality small forward.

Your list is "famous guys who cost a lot." But that is about all they have in common. For example, you shouldn't want Andrew Wiggins at any price (a perenially negative player, including last season despite his alleged improvement), and you should want Paul George at almost any price. Because Paul George is really, truly good, whereas Wiggins is at best mediocre.

My worry, as I have stated, is that the 31 year old Demar DeRozan is another version of Andrew Wiggins. Not a guy that you want, no matter what his contract.

[ChiefILL53]

Does DeRozan actually play power forward now? I keep people listing him as a PF in their mock lineups. Slightly confused about that.

The spurs primarily played him at PF last season so that's prolly why he's listed there.

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[MrSparkle]

I don’t understand the narrative that DeMar DeRozan is over-paid. Compared to who?

All these guys are paid more:

Kris Middleton
Gordon Hayward
Tobias Harris
Brandon Ingram
Paul George
Andrew Wiggins

IMO, that’s just the going rate for a quality small forward.

Your list is "famous guys who cost a lot." But that is about all they have in common. For example, you shouldn't want Andrew Wiggins at any price (a perenially negative player, including last season despite his alleged improvement), and you should want Paul George at almost any price. Because Paul George is really, truly good, whereas Wiggins is at best mediocre.

My worry, as I have stated, is that the 31 year old Demar DeRozan is another version of Andrew Wiggins. Not a guy that you want, no matter what his contract.

Paul George also cost a decade of picks and Shai (and Gallinari, who isn’t shabby). There’s always a back-end cost somewhere, unless you hit the jackpot and get Lebron or Durant in open free agency.

We got rid of Aminu and a presently overrated Thad. The FRP we gave up was to compensate for dumping that $25m of salary on SAS (particularly Aminu).

I’m not sure I can get with a Wiggins/Derozan comparison on any level. The latter clearly had a better season. Like, not even close. https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=wiggian01&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id1=derozde01&p2yrfrom=2021&sum=0&request=1 And Wiggins had the benefit of playing with Curry.

I think the point stands; any starting wing who can handle and score the ball is going to command a base of $25m. DET didn’t even know Jeremy Grant can handle the rock, and he got 20m per year before he demonstrated he can score.

[Wont PerDont]

Wiretap has Aldridge trying to make a comeback.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263735/LaMarcus-Aldridge-Seriously-Considering-Return-To-NBA

Anybody have any interest to add him to the big rotation if he can get cleared by docs and can be signed to the MLE or less. Maybe Derozan can sway him our way?

[CobyWhite0]

Wiretap has Aldridge trying to make a comeback.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263735/LaMarcus-Aldridge-Seriously-Considering-Return-To-NBA

Anybody have any interest to add him to the big rotation if he can get cleared by docs and can be signed to the MLE or less. Maybe Derozan can sway him our way?

Hell yes, let's do it.

[HomoSapien]

Wiretap has Aldridge trying to make a comeback.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263735/LaMarcus-Aldridge-Seriously-Considering-Return-To-NBA

Anybody have any interest to add him to the big rotation if he can get cleared by docs and can be signed to the MLE or less. Maybe Derozan can sway him our way?

Hell yes, let's do it.

Posted this elsewhere but:

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I personally don't love the fit, and prefer Bradley since he brings something different but everyone else goes nuts for talent without considering fit, so why not live a little?

[CobyWhite0]

Wiretap has Aldridge trying to make a comeback.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263735/LaMarcus-Aldridge-Seriously-Considering-Return-To-NBA

Anybody have any interest to add him to the big rotation if he can get cleared by docs and can be signed to the MLE or less. Maybe Derozan can sway him our way?

Hell yes, let's do it.

Posted this elsewhere but:

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I personally don't love the fit, and prefer Bradley since he brings something different but everyone else goes nuts for talent without considering fit, so why not live a little?

I would assume that Bradley would get more PT than LMA during the season, but when the playoffs roll around, you can never have too many veterans with tons of playoff experience.

And IMO we're at the point in free agency where teams add the most talented veterans available regardless of fit, since they're being signed for bargain basement salaries.

[SaNdMiRkS]

Good grief, are there actually ppl in here comparing DDR, who is one of the best distributing forwards in the game of basketball & is coming off of arguably his best season as a pro, to andrew wiggins...? Why? What?

[Michael Jackson]

The problem with the Hollinger piece is the implied premise is that the goal of NBA roster construction is to acquire a team of players whose performance meets or exceeds their contract. Sure, generally that's good, but the goal of NBA roster construction is to (1) win NBA games and (2) if you're not a contender, give yourself a path to becoming one.

As fans, we should not care about whether individual players are overpaid, unless it's tying your hands and preventing other, more productive moves. All teams are going to consist of guys you think are worth less or more than their contracts, and a lot of that is just timing/salary inflation. With Derozan, if you agree it at least makes the Bulls marginally better, and particularly if you agree that his contract is not unmovable (which seems like a fair proposition), then who exactly was it the Bulls were supposed to S&T for that was available to them that would have been better?

They don't hand out Larry O'Brien trophies to teams that most accurately line up contract values to on-court performance.

They do in fact hand out Larry O'Brien trophies to teams that have the players that most exceed their contract values.

No, they only hand it out if you win 4 games in the NBA Finals.

Derozan won't exceed his. Lavine will for 1 more year. Vucevic potentially can for 2 more years (position issues aside).

I don't see a window unless this is followed up with a trade for an actual superstar or PWill vastly exceeds current expectations of his ceiling.

Well, of course! One assumes the whole idea here is to replicate something like what Toronto had - a team with a lot of good players that puts you in a position to make a move for a disgruntled star.

The Bulls had no "build a champion now" option. So, you're left with continued tear-downs and a draft-based approach, or alternatively acting like the big market team you are, getting as good as you can, attempting to bolster yourself as an attractive destination, and acquiring as much talent as possible that can be offloaded in the future when an opportunity arises.

I'm glad they went with door #2 for once in my damned life.

Honestly our future looks so much better if we just fielded a team with Wagner and WCJ. Could have just maxed Lauri out too. That would have made our future way way way brighter than actually having real NBA players on our team. Pax’s method is a proven winning formula and this AK nonsense of wanting to make “trades” and sign free agents is a bunch of hooey if you ask me. Who actually wants starting caliber players on their team when you can be in the hunt for the number 7 pick every year? No team has ever gotten better by adding more talented players on their roster. It is always a recipe for disaster.

[WindyCityBorn]

I don’t understand the narrative that DeMar DeRozan is over-paid. Compared to who?

All these guys are paid more:

Kris Middleton
Gordon Hayward
Tobias Harris
Brandon Ingram
Paul George
Andrew Wiggins

IMO, that’s just the going rate for a quality small forward.

Your list is "famous guys who cost a lot." But that is about all they have in common. For example, you shouldn't want Andrew Wiggins at any price (a perenially negative player, including last season despite his alleged improvement), and you should want Paul George at almost any price. Because Paul George is really, truly good, whereas Wiggins is at best mediocre.

My worry, as I have stated, is that the 31 year old Demar DeRozan is another version of Andrew Wiggins. Not a guy that you want, no matter what his contract.

Why would that be concern when he just had a great season by all accounts. Barring injury I don’t see him falling before the contract is up. You talk like he is 35 and/or broken down. No way in Hell is Wiggins a better player next season. George might be the only player on that list that is better.

[BeatDaCavs420]

Im tired of losing I dont care if this makes us a treadmill team. Those times was way better than the last few years of hell

We are already a treadmill team.... this makes us NOT that.

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How? We havent made the playoffs in forrever lol

[FriedRise]

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[FriedRise]

Ah, didn't realize DDR chose Chicago over BOTH LA teams, not just the Clippers.

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[Mbrahv0528]

Im tired of losing I dont care if this makes us a treadmill team. Those times was way better than the last few years of hell

We are already a treadmill team.... this makes us NOT that.

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How? We havent made the playoffs in forrever lol

We're on the not quite bad though for a #1 pick and not quite good enough to make the playoffs or attract quality free agents, treadmill. I personally (and many of us here) were tired of that.

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[erlim]

Ah, didn't realize DDR chose Chicago over BOTH LA teams, not just the Clippers.

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That’s weird. Jerry West always gets his guy.

[TheFinishSniper]

Ah, didn't realize DDR chose Chicago over BOTH LA teams, not just the Clippers.

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That’s weird. Jerry West always gets his guy.

Reason je couldnt get his guy is he couldnt beat Bulls offer no matter what. Clippers would need get creative and even then i am not sure they could get even close money wise even with some paycut deal im plan. And Bulls were serious enough.