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2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

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If Bulls keep the pick, who should they select?

Jalen Williams
7
11%
Tari Eason
18
29%
Nikola Jovic
4
6%
Mark Williams
18
29%
Ochai Agbaji
1
2%
TyTy Washington
0
No votes
Ousmane Dieng
0
No votes
Malaki Branham
2
3%
EJ Liddell
8
13%
Jeremy Sochan
4
6%
 
Total votes: 62

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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#1001 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:09 pm

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Eason without the invite.

Here’s to hoping.


Eason which just on what he did on the court is top ten. But when you watch the interviews he doesn't answer the question. He struggles in comprehending the question and providing an answer. Is this enough to drop you out of lotto?


I don’t think there’s any way interviews alone could drop him that far. Lots of players present poorly in these settings. It’s an easy thing to forgive.

In Eason’s case there are questions about his feel at age 21 (foul rate, turnover rate, lack of passing, basic handle) that may or may not cause him to slide. Gotta remember that he entered the year as a 2nd round prospect and spent much of the season mocked in the late 1st. Going in the late teens would still be considered a meteoric rise.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#1002 » by Red8911 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:18 pm

There are rumors that the Bulls have been talking to teams to trade the 18th pick along with Coby. Not sure what they would want in return but there’s a good chance Bulls don’t even keep this pick. That’s why you guys shouldn’t waste your time looking up players to draft lol.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#1003 » by Jvaughn » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:42 pm

Red8911 wrote:There are rumors that the Bulls have been talking to teams to trade the 18th pick along with Coby. Not sure what they would want in return but there’s a good chance Bulls don’t even keep this pick. That’s why you guys shouldn’t waste your time looking up players to draft lol.


Supposedly the rumor was Coby and the 18th pick for a vet. So trading out of this draft for a established player.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#1004 » by gobullschi » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:53 pm

For those who are familiar with international prospects, can you please provide some info on Ousmane Dieng and Nikola Jovic?
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#1005 » by Dresden » Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:08 pm

Red8911 wrote:There are rumors that the Bulls have been talking to teams to trade the 18th pick along with Coby. Not sure what they would want in return but there’s a good chance Bulls don’t even keep this pick. That’s why you guys shouldn’t waste your time looking up players to draft lol.


Of course it depends on who the player is, but I like the players that look like will be available at 18, and they'd be on rookie contracts, and some have a chance of developing into really good players. I"m not sure the 18th pick in the draft will net you all that much in a trade, but I could be wrong.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#1006 » by Jvaughn » Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:19 pm

gobullschi wrote:For those who are familiar with international prospects, can you please provide some info on Ousmane Dieng and Nikola Jovic?


I don't know much about Jovic, but have followed Dieng is a bit. He's a good risk at 18. Had a weird year. Really came on and looked like a star late in the season. His shot is going to be what determines his career. Great size and can defend multiple positions. Surprisingly good with the ball, and can run PnR very well. He's going to take some time to mature. Definitely going to need a patient development plan.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#1007 » by Almost Retired » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:23 pm

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Eason without the invite.

Here’s to hoping.


Eason which just on what he did on the court is top ten. But when you watch the interviews he doesn't answer the question. He struggles in comprehending the question and providing an answer. Is this enough to drop you out of lotto?


I don’t think there’s any way interviews alone could drop him that far. Lots of players present poorly in these settings. It’s an easy thing to forgive.

In Eason’s case there are questions about his feel at age 21 (foul rate, turnover rate, lack of passing, basic handle) that may or may not cause him to slide. Gotta remember that he entered the year as a 2nd round prospect and spent much of the season mocked in the late 1st. Going in the late teens would still be considered a meteoric rise.


It can't be just the interviews. I suspect he hasn't shot all that well in private workouts. The ability to consistently hit a corner "3" is why I favor EJ Liddell. And by all accounts I've read Liddell has interviewed extremely well and his college coach has raved about his BBIQ, work ethic, character, etc. I think the love for Eason is reminiscent of the love shown for Tyrus Thomas....that tantalizing athleticism. Is it a coincidence they are from the same program? I see why people are enamored with Eason. I just think the same scenario could unfold. The athleticism doesn't translate with the step up in competition. I think Liddell has a higher floor, Eason has the higher ceiling. We need help defensively at the 3/4. Liddell provides that. It would seem perhaps he displays on interviews a higher BBIQ. As long as a guy isn't a complete stiff athletically, and Liddell certainly is not, then I give equal weighting to BBIQ and athleticism. A smart player knows how to blend in with the players on the floor, he anticipates situations allowing him to seem quicker to react, and he recognizes his limitations and plans on ways to minimize them or to develop a plan to improve. You look at a guy like Jalen Brunson. Not the most gifted athlete and only 6'1", but a true winner with a very high BBIQ. He got drafted in the 2nd round. He improved every year. He just averaged about 22 points a game and might be heading to the Knicks for about $22 Million Per. His measurables were not special. He came out after his junior year. He is 6'1" in socks. 64" wingspan. Not a speed demon. He made himself into a possible future all-star by high IQ and hard work. Liddell could do the same.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#1008 » by Almost Retired » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:35 pm

petebraun0 wrote:
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Chi town wrote:Move 18 for 21 and 30 with DEN.

Grab two of Terry, Proceda, Moore, and a C like Koloko. I'd prefer Proceda and Terry.


How about trading our 18 for the 20 and 38 with San Antonio. San Antonio has 4 picks.
Would love to bring in two energy guys.


I'd do that, but it would have to be done via a handshake agreement where we drafted their guy and they made the 2 picks for us. Then we cement the trade after the draft. Otherwise we'd lose the 2nd rounder. I think Liddell might still be there at #20. And at #38 Walker Kessler, Wendell Moore of Duke, and Bryce McGowens could be available. The 2nd rounder would be a project that might pay off down the road.
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Post#1009 » by StunnerKO » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:50 am

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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pick 

Post#1010 » by Dresden » Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:11 am

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Eason which just on what he did on the court is top ten. But when you watch the interviews he doesn't answer the question. He struggles in comprehending the question and providing an answer. Is this enough to drop you out of lotto?


I don’t think there’s any way interviews alone could drop him that far. Lots of players present poorly in these settings. It’s an easy thing to forgive.

In Eason’s case there are questions about his feel at age 21 (foul rate, turnover rate, lack of passing, basic handle) that may or may not cause him to slide. Gotta remember that he entered the year as a 2nd round prospect and spent much of the season mocked in the late 1st. Going in the late teens would still be considered a meteoric rise.


It can't be just the interviews. I suspect he hasn't shot all that well in private workouts. The ability to consistently hit a corner "3" is why I favor EJ Liddell. And by all accounts I've read Liddell has interviewed extremely well and his college coach has raved about his BBIQ, work ethic, character, etc. I think the love for Eason is reminiscent of the love shown for Tyrus Thomas....that tantalizing athleticism. Is it a coincidence they are from the same program? I see why people are enamored with Eason. I just think the same scenario could unfold. The athleticism doesn't translate with the step up in competition. I think Liddell has a higher floor, Eason has the higher ceiling. We need help defensively at the 3/4. Liddell provides that. It would seem perhaps he displays on interviews a higher BBIQ. As long as a guy isn't a complete stiff athletically, and Liddell certainly is not, then I give equal weighting to BBIQ and athleticism. A smart player knows how to blend in with the players on the floor, he anticipates situations allowing him to seem quicker to react, and he recognizes his limitations and plans on ways to minimize them or to develop a plan to improve. You look at a guy like Jalen Brunson. Not the most gifted athlete and only 6'1", but a true winner with a very high BBIQ. He got drafted in the 2nd round. He improved every year. He just averaged about 22 points a game and might be heading to the Knicks for about $22 Million Per. His measurables were not special. He came out after his junior year. He is 6'1" in socks. 64" wingspan. Not a speed demon. He made himself into a possible future all-star by high IQ and hard work. Liddell could do the same.


I think the Tyrus Thomas comparisons are not that far off in some ways. Tyrus was much much better in college though than Eason, and of course he was drafted #4, too. So right off the bat, it's fair to say Eason is not anywhere near the prospect Tyrus was.

I think in today's game, Tyrus might actually have been more valuable than he was 15 years ago or whenever it was. The emphasis on being able to switch and guard multiple positions is a lot more important now than it was back then. He was always something of a tweener back then, but in today's small ball/positionless era, that would be less of a problem.

But the real reason Tyrus never panned out, IMO, was because of his BBIQ- he never seemed to accept his limitations, he always wanted to be the star on offense, and he too often just made bone headed plays or took awful shots.

So if Eason has a different mentality, has more of a capacity to learn and adapt, he could be a much better player than Thomas.

I find it a little strange if he's being downgraded due to his handle or his passing. From what I could see watching tape of him (granted these are only highlights), his handle looked very good for a guy his size. And he showed some creativity and vision passing the ball as well. Maybe he has problems with turning it over- I didn't check his stats on that.

He looks like he has the potential to be Pippen-like in his defensive presence though- athletic, long, aggressive, with good instincts. Or maybe Ron Artest is a better comp, although Eason is taller (but not as strong). Of course potential is not the same thing as actually being that good, but he's got all the ingredients to be one of the better wing defenders in the league someday.

And at the very least, he's going to be dangerous in transition and on lobs and backdoor cuts.
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Post#1011 » by Jvaughn » Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:06 am

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I can honestly say I've never heard of Barlow. I don't see too many mocks that have him drafted, and definitely none in the first round. An undrafted signing maybe. Would be a good pickup to build the development pipeline.
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Both Barlow and Minott are compelling prospects, clearly both would be projects though. But the front office clearly has a type, long multi-positional players, which is clearly the way the league is moving towards.
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Post#1013 » by Rose2Boozer » Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:26 am

Watch the NBA Combine and came away impressed with Jalen Williams and Dominik Barlow. I was pulling for Michael Foster Jr., but it wasn't the platform where he could best showcase his talent.

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Post#1014 » by Jvaughn » Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:56 am

Didn't watch Memphis this year. Why did Minot play such limited minutes? He was highly effective in his mimutes. It wasn't foul trouble, so I'm very confused.
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Post#1015 » by rosenthall » Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:03 am

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Both Barlow and Minott are compelling prospects, clearly both would be projects though. But the front office clearly has a type, long multi-positional players, which is clearly the way the league is moving towards.


If I remember correctly, AK really liked Bones Hyland last year, and I think he made a big leap in draft boards after his performance in the same scrimmage last year. He has the look and feel of someone AKME would like, so I would actually place some weight on the team being interested in him at #18.
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Post#1016 » by rosenthall » Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:11 am

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I find Dieng's inclusion interesting, and Eason's exclusion interesting.

I had kind of figured Eason was a pipe dream, but if he's not in the green room it gives me more hope he might be available.


If he drops someone will trade up for him. MEM and SAS have multiple picks.


He’s been consistently mocked in our range for a couple weeks now. It’s possible that’s just how league evaluators view him.


Yeah, I'm coming around to the idea that Eason might actually be available when we pick. Still think he'll be gone, but now I think there's a 30-40% chance that he's there.

Two weeks ago I would have put those numbers at 5-10%
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Post#1017 » by TheSuzerain » Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:22 am

Jvaughn wrote:Didn't watch Memphis this year. Why did Minot play such limited minutes? He was highly effective in his mimutes. It wasn't foul trouble, so I'm very confused.

Memphis basically had zero D1 caliber guards (or actual shooters) and on the other hand had about 10 athletic forwards/bigs. A mess of a roster.
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Post#1018 » by Bulldog23 » Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:25 am

Dominick Barlow is a prospect that has good length and height, that can play 3/4. He seems like 2nd round pick. If the Bulls can swing a trade to get multiple picks I think this draft is where you do it.
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Post#1019 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:47 pm

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Jvaughn wrote:Didn't watch Memphis this year. Why did Minot play such limited minutes? He was highly effective in his mimutes. It wasn't foul trouble, so I'm very confused.

Memphis basically had zero D1 caliber guards (or actual shooters) and on the other hand had about 10 athletic forwards/bigs. A mess of a roster.


I read that Penny couldn’t trust him defensively. Naturally, Minott and his family feel he was done dirty.
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Post#1020 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:07 pm

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
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Jvaughn wrote:Didn't watch Memphis this year. Why did Minot play such limited minutes? He was highly effective in his mimutes. It wasn't foul trouble, so I'm very confused.

Memphis basically had zero D1 caliber guards (or actual shooters) and on the other hand had about 10 athletic forwards/bigs. A mess of a roster.


I read that Penny couldn’t trust him defensively. Naturally, Minott and his family feel he was done dirty.


Sounds like our guy. 8-)

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