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NBA Trade Thread #12

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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1001 » by WesPeace » Tue May 27, 2025 3:47 am

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Infinity2152 wrote:Yeah, I keep seeing the main objection is comparison to Vucevic and results. I'll repeat I don't want him at center, I'd want him at PF. He's 20 lbs lighter than Vuc. Not counting on him for rim protection. There are a lot of big PF's in the league, he's a solid matchup against those teams with 6'9+ power forwards. Get the feeling most here are hoping Matas plays PF or we get a smaller guy, but a LOT of successful teams are running with big PF's now. He'd possibly be the top rebounding PF in the league, which is a huge help defensively.

There are pros and cons to both types of PF. Again, look at the PF's in the conference Finals. Sabonis probably matches up with KAT or Chet better than most 6'7, 210 lbs guys considered "better" defenders.

On the PF thing, I get it, because it allows us to find a good defensive C, while adding a good player. That said, IMO, even playing him at PF, weakens us defensively because we lose the ability to play a POA defender. Also, I'm against adding anyone who would bump Matas back in the offensive pecking order, especially someone who isn't a legit #1 option.

So again, I see the logic, but I disagree that it's a good move.

Please don't take my disagreement as not loving the fact that you bring interesting ideas here...KEEP IT UP!


My man! Idea is Giddey, Two way SG, Matas, Sabonis, defensive center. We should have enough cap space to add a high level player at either SG or center. We also have picks/expirings and a new rookie incoming. SG is POA defender, center is rim protector.

I don't view it as necessarily a forever move. I see it as a chance to grab the most valuable player we can, that could possibly fit with our guys. He'd be an extremely valuable trade asset on a team that's pretty asset poor once we lose all these expirings.

Really opposed to waiting and wasting the first $25-30 mill yr of Giddey and another cheap year of Matas, not to mention $70+ mill of expirings. Lot of teams have cap space next summer. People keep saying everybody will outbid us in every trade, most teams don't have 70+ mill of expirings that they're willing to trade, plus all their picks. Think we're in a better position than most to make trades this summer.

On the plus side, I think people are counting on Ball, Wiliams, Carter, Phillips, Ayo, Terry and Smith to add very little to the team. I'm hoping at least a few of them prove to be valuable players here. Vucevic goes in a Sabonis trade, think Smith gets real minutes, if not starting.


Maybe that would work somehow, but I'm still leaning into having Matas as PF, especially when he builds out his frame a bit..(but not too much like PWill did)..

If we draft Coward for SG/SF role and we try with Giddey, Coward, Buzelis, Sabonis, Collins ornSmith that would be interesting lineup.. not my preference,but interesting?!

I doubt we see that many changes anyway and kinda think AK wont move Coby for draft picks AND/OR Kings dont need Coby via trade for Domantas.. unless there is 3rd team involved for some parts.

Lets just go the other way, lets try to get twoway SF and defensive center for future via draft or trade.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1002 » by Hangtime84 » Tue May 27, 2025 3:54 am

Coby + #12 for PG13 and #3 Framework possible?
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If the Bulls do, you would be complaining to much to ever hear it.


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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1003 » by 2weekswithpay » Tue May 27, 2025 4:03 am

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Infinity2152 wrote:Yeah, I keep seeing the main objection is comparison to Vucevic and results. I'll repeat I don't want him at center, I'd want him at PF. He's 20 lbs lighter than Vuc. Not counting on him for rim protection. There are a lot of big PF's in the league, he's a solid matchup against those teams with 6'9+ power forwards. Get the feeling most here are hoping Matas plays PF or we get a smaller guy, but a LOT of successful teams are running with big PF's now. He'd possibly be the top rebounding PF in the league, which is a huge help defensively.

There are pros and cons to both types of PF. Again, look at the PF's in the conference Finals. Sabonis probably matches up with KAT or Chet better than most 6'7, 210 lbs guys considered "better" defenders.

On the PF thing, I get it, because it allows us to find a good defensive C, while adding a good player. That said, IMO, even playing him at PF, weakens us defensively because we lose the ability to play a POA defender. Also, I'm against adding anyone who would bump Matas back in the offensive pecking order, especially someone who isn't a legit #1 option.

So again, I see the logic, but I disagree that it's a good move.

Please don't take my disagreement as not loving the fact that you bring interesting ideas here...KEEP IT UP!


I think the bigger issue with Sabonis at PF is that we would need a 3&D C, which is a luxury that few teams have. Sabonis' DHO passing and interior scoring aren't as effective next to another big. Sabonis needs to play the 5 to maximise his offensive strengths unless you have shooting from the other 4 positions.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1004 » by jump » Tue May 27, 2025 4:51 am

Sabonis at $45 million could be great, but getting Naz Ried at about half that could be better.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1005 » by sco » Tue May 27, 2025 12:42 pm

Hangtime84 wrote:Coby + #12 for PG13 and #3 Framework possible?

Maybe, If somehow we could get Vuc and PWill in there and we draft VJ. Depends how one feels about VJ or Bailey. That PG contract really limits what you can do as a team for 3 seasons.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1006 » by yifsuibfe1 » Tue May 27, 2025 1:35 pm

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/mavericks-reportedly-interested-in-celtics-jrue-holiday-what-could-a-potential-trade-look-like/

Article includes a throwaway line that the Mavericks are interested in Lonzo.

League sources say Dallas is expected to at least explore whether there are any feasible trade pathways to Boston's Jrue Holiday — complicated as that would likely be given the three years and $104 million still left on Holiday's contract — while also maintaining an interest in a far more reasonable trade target as we've discussed on the DLLS Mavs podcast: Lonzo Ball.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1007 » by WindyCityBorn » Tue May 27, 2025 1:37 pm

Does anyone here actually want Kuminga?
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1008 » by sco » Tue May 27, 2025 1:49 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:Does anyone here actually want Kuminga?

To me, it's a relative thing. I do want to do a deal that rids us of Pat and Vuc, but I'd rather get Gafford, Barrett, or Sabonis in that order than him.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1009 » by Chi town » Tue May 27, 2025 2:22 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:Does anyone here actually want Kuminga?


Nope.

Bad price and fit.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1010 » by WindyCityBorn » Tue May 27, 2025 2:23 pm

sco wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:Does anyone here actually want Kuminga?

To me, it's a relative thing. I do want to do a deal that rids us of Pat and Vuc, but I'd rather get Gafford, Barrett, or Sabonis in that order than him.


I would only want Gafford from that group.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1011 » by Hangtime84 » Tue May 27, 2025 2:27 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:Does anyone here actually want Kuminga?


I’m on the fence he was drafted with expectation to be a project that needed time. IMO those are guys who won’t be solid contributors until second contract.

It would be the right time to take flyer on him. But at what price.
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aguifs wrote:Do we have a friggin plan?


If the Bulls do, you would be complaining to much to ever hear it.


NBA fan logic we need to trade one of two best players because (Player X) one needs to shine more.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1012 » by WindyCityBorn » Tue May 27, 2025 2:46 pm

Hangtime84 wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:Does anyone here actually want Kuminga?


I’m on the fence he was drafted with expectation to be a project that needed time. IMO those are guys who won’t be solid contributors until second contract.

It would be the right time to take flyer on him. But at what price.


Probably $20 to $25 million per.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1013 » by Red8911 » Tue May 27, 2025 3:25 pm

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Hangtime84 wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:Does anyone here actually want Kuminga?


I’m on the fence he was drafted with expectation to be a project that needed time. IMO those are guys who won’t be solid contributors until second contract.

It would be the right time to take flyer on him. But at what price.


Probably $20 to $25 million per.

Problem for any team trading for Kuminga is first yeah he’s demanding way too much and second the GSW definitely want to get some great deal out of him because they lack assets and want to remain competitive.

Those are 2 reason for AK to just not get involved, he’s not worth it.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1014 » by Infinity2152 » Tue May 27, 2025 3:30 pm

Bulls are actually the favorites to land Kuminga, along with the Nets. Kuminga's a big risk, team has to pay him a lot when he hasn't actually proven anything. Not a great rebounder, not a great shooter, could be a Pat Williams kind of overpay. Kuminga looks more productive than Pat, not necessarily better, and looking at $30+ mill. If he was looking at a bargain contract, maybe. Trading for him could keep us from adding an actual star player.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1015 » by PistolP » Tue May 27, 2025 3:57 pm

Some ideas:

Ball for Gafford

12 + filler for Cam Johnson + 27
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1016 » by boozapalooza » Tue May 27, 2025 5:05 pm

jump wrote:Sabonis at $45 million could be great, but getting Naz Ried at about half that could be better.


But Naz is also half the player Sabonis is, if that
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1017 » by WesPeace » Tue May 27, 2025 6:11 pm

boozapalooza wrote:
jump wrote:Sabonis at $45 million could be great, but getting Naz Ried at about half that could be better.


But Naz is also half the player Sabonis is, if that


Thats just wrong take imho.. as starter and with 33-35min usage, his stats would be much better
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1018 » by sco » Tue May 27, 2025 6:13 pm

WesPeace wrote:
boozapalooza wrote:
jump wrote:Sabonis at $45 million could be great, but getting Naz Ried at about half that could be better.


But Naz is also half the player Sabonis is, if that


Thats just wrong take imho.. as starter and with 33-35min usage, his stats would be much better

I like Naz better too, but neither guy really fills our glaring need for an elite defensive C.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1019 » by WesPeace » Tue May 27, 2025 6:24 pm

sco wrote:
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boozapalooza wrote:
But Naz is also half the player Sabonis is, if that


Thats just wrong take imho.. as starter and with 33-35min usage, his stats would be much better

I like Naz better too, but neither guy really fills our glaring need for an elite defensive C.


True.. free agent center market this summer isnt that big, Turner is probably unreachable, Capela is already 31, Then already mentioned Naz Reid, Precius Achiuwa is solid defender but a too much undersized, Luke Kornet, Kevin Looney, Andre Drummond, Jaxson Hayes, Steve Adams.. thats about it.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #12 

Post#1020 » by sco » Tue May 27, 2025 6:30 pm

WesPeace wrote:
sco wrote:
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Thats just wrong take imho.. as starter and with 33-35min usage, his stats would be much better

I like Naz better too, but neither guy really fills our glaring need for an elite defensive C.


True.. free agent center market this summer isnt that big, Turner is probably unreachable, Capela is already 31, Then already mentioned Naz Reid, Precius Achiuwa is solid defender but a too much undersized, Luke Kornet, Kevin Looney, Andre Drummond, Jaxson Hayes, Steve Adams.. thats about it.

I'd love to get Kornet on a cheap deal. He's become an underrated rim protector. I wonder if BOS would do a S&T of Kornet for Terry...he'd be helpful while they wait for Tatum to come back.
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