Derrick Rose Thread #13 - Acceptance

[bullsnewdynasty]

Rose is not injured and is physically capable of playing in NBA basketball games right now. He is choosing not to. Whether you agree with his decision or not, those are the facts.

[DaMayor73]

Rose is not injured and is physically capable of playing in NBA basketball games right now. He is choosing not to. Whether you agree with his decision or not, those are the facts.

Facts? So you know his body? Better yet, you know his MENTAL ability to play? And where are these 'facts' coming from? The Bulls? Rose? Where?

Methinks your facts=opinions.

[kyrv]

Rose is not injured and is physically capable of playing in NBA basketball games right now. He is choosing not to. Whether you agree with his decision or not, those are the facts.

There is nothing to suggest that he can't play, even from Rose himself or Camp Thorn. Rose has claimed to be healthy.

As Fish continues to mention, it's an incredible red flag if he were still injured, certainly not something I would gleefully argue as if it's a good thing.

Whatever the reasons he has for not playing, they aren't good. And no amount of coddling and enabling from Team Thorn, the Bulls, or the national media, will change that.

As far as for Rose playing and his future at playing good, the worst scenario now is that he actually hasn't recovered so something went wrong with the process. This is the worst 'on court' scenario. However, there is no evidence he's still injured. Team Rose can't be *that* stupid that they would hide that he's still injured? Remember when Rose was cleared, they were *mad*, however they did not dispute the claim.

If he's just scared, this has impact potentially on recovery from future injuries and compensation injuries.

The best on court scenario is if he's okay to play and they are using the injury as a little protest. This of course is the worst off court scenario and as KC said, if this is the case, Rose is not who we thought he was.

Still hoping someone, anyone, can explain to us that Bucher's article, referred to by Fleet as the blind squirrel, how he was able to predict Rose would not be playing despite demonstrating that he can play. Given that he used Team Thorn as a source and (by another coincidence???) Reg Reg reiterated this months later, I'd love to hear an explanation.

Because I just can't believe an athlete could allow himself to be talked into something so d-baggish, and so detrimental to his, until then, sterling reputation.

Adidas also stopped running the ads. Almost as if ...they knew something?

[kyrv]

Rose is not injured and is physically capable of playing in NBA basketball games right now. He is choosing not to. Whether you agree with his decision or not, those are the facts.

Facts? So you know his body? Better yet, you know his MENTAL ability to play? And where are these 'facts' coming from? The Bulls? Rose? Where?

Methinks your facts=opinions.

Per Rose he is healthy. Rose has also been medically cleared for over two months. This is a recording.

Are you questioning his mental makeup?

Someone mentioned last night, if this was his contract year, would he be able to somehow push through these incredible mental barriers, that only 100% of other athletes are able to do in normal time.

What do you think is wrong with Rose?

[LCMJ]

Looking back, I cant believe Rose ever managed to play a game in the NBA. Taking that step from college ball to the NBA is a big mental hurdle.

[DaMayor73]

Rose is not injured and is physically capable of playing in NBA basketball games right now. He is choosing not to. Whether you agree with his decision or not, those are the facts.

Facts? So you know his body? Better yet, you know his MENTAL ability to play? And where are these 'facts' coming from? The Bulls? Rose? Where?

Methinks your facts=opinions.

Per Rose he is healthy. Rose has also been medically cleared for over two months. This is a recording.

Are you questioning his mental makeup?

Someone mentioned last night, if this was his contract year, would he be able to somehow push through these incredible mental barriers, that only 100% of other athletes are able to do in normal time.

What do you think is wrong with Rose?

Rose's ACL may be healed, but until he mentally can get to the point where he can function on the court during NBA games, he is not fully healed. Everyone is discounting the mental aspect of his recovery. Why? Every NBA player, every teammate, every analyst approves of his choice to sit out. Jerry Reinsdorf approves. The only people not approving (and disparaging Rose) are folks on this board and other fans. Again, I choose to ride with folks that have played the game and coached the game, not RealGM. If Rose needs until next season, fine. Get your body and mind right and seek and destroy all comers.

[Chikes26x]

Rose has been out 360 days. 360 days after ap tore his acl he had 1800 rushing yards. Mother ****

[Midway Bully]

Rose's ACL may be healed, but until he mentally can get to the point where he can function on the court during NBA games, he is not fully healed. Everyone is discounting the mental aspect of his recovery. Why? Every NBA player, every teammate, every analyst approves of his choice to sit out. Jerry Reinsdorf approves. The only people not approving (and disparaging Rose) are folks on this board and other fans. Again, I choose to ride with folks that have played the game and coached the game, not RealGM. If Rose needs until next season, fine. Get your body and mind right and seek and destroy all comers.

You just murked your own comment. So you're saying Rose isn't mentally healed until he can function on the court during NBA games, yet you don't want him to play NBA games now, when you yourself are saying that his ACL is healed? Jeez.

NO ONE is discounting the mental aspect of his injury. It's OK to be scared of coming back on the court, but only for a little while. Rose has been cleared to play for several weeks, and he has to step back on the court at some point, whether tomorrow, or next season. Until then, he'll never get rid of his mental hurdle.

[PMONSTER]

Looking back, I cant believe Rose ever managed to play a game in the NBA. Taking that step from college ball to the NBA is a big mental hurdle.

You was one of my favorite posters because you was so positive........ This Thread just.....

I guess the madness continues

[HomoSapien]

Rose is not injured and is physically capable of playing in NBA basketball games right now. He is choosing not to. Whether you agree with his decision or not, those are the facts.

There is nothing to suggest that he can't play, even from Rose himself or Camp Thorn. Rose has claimed to be healthy.

As Fish continues to mention, it's an incredible red flag if he were still injured, certainly not something I would gleefully argue as if it's a good thing.

Whatever the reasons he has for not playing, they aren't good. And no amount of coddling and enabling from Team Thorn, the Bulls, or the national media, will change that.

As far as for Rose playing and his future at playing good, the worst scenario now is that he actually hasn't recovered so something went wrong with the process. This is the worst 'on court' scenario. However, there is no evidence he's still injured. Team Rose can't be *that* stupid that they would hide that he's still injured? Remember when Rose was cleared, they were *mad*, however they did not dispute the claim.

If he's just scared, this has impact potentially on recovery from future injuries and compensation injuries.

The best on court scenario is if he's okay to play and they are using the injury as a little protest. This of course is the worst off court scenario and as KC said, if this is the case, Rose is not who we thought he was.

Still hoping someone, anyone, can explain to us that Bucher's article, referred to by Fleet as the blind squirrel, how he was able to predict Rose would not be playing despite demonstrating that he can play. Given that he used Team Thorn as a source and (by another coincidence???) Reg Reg reiterated this months later, I'd love to hear an explanation.

Because I just can't believe an athlete could allow himself to be talked into something so d-baggish, and so detrimental to his, until then, sterling reputation.

Adidas also stopped running the ads. Almost as if ...they knew something?

I don't know why we are all speculating on the reason still. We were told months ago in a very direct way by Reggie Rose why his brother would not be playing.

[nitetrain8603]

Looking back, I cant believe Rose ever managed to play a game in the NBA. Taking that step from college ball to the NBA is a big mental hurdle.

You was one of my favorite posters because you was so positive........ This Thread just.....

I guess the madness continues

You either die a hero, or you live long enough to become the villain.

[DaMayor73]

Rose's ACL may be healed, but until he mentally can get to the point where he can function on the court during NBA games, he is not fully healed. Everyone is discounting the mental aspect of his recovery. Why? Every NBA player, every teammate, every analyst approves of his choice to sit out. Jerry Reinsdorf approves. The only people not approving (and disparaging Rose) are folks on this board and other fans. Again, I choose to ride with folks that have played the game and coached the game, not RealGM. If Rose needs until next season, fine. Get your body and mind right and seek and destroy all comers.

You just murked your own comment. So you're saying Rose isn't mentally healed until he can function on the court during NBA games, yet you don't want him to play NBA games now, when you yourself are saying that his ACL is healed? Jeez.

NO ONE is discounting the mental aspect of his injury. It's OK to be scared of coming back on the court, but only for a little while. Rose has been cleared to play for several weeks, and he has to step back on the court at some point, whether tomorrow, or next season. Until then, he'll never get rid of his mental hurdle.

I didn't murk anything. He is not ready to play. Mentally or physically. Until he is, he has no business coming back to play in the heat of a regular season playoff chase much less the actual playoffs.

And who among us can put a time frame on the mental aspects of recovery? A little while? Seriously?

[whodey]

I'm all in with D Rose making this decision for himself. I agree 100% with Wilbon's article today. The whole playing in games to complete your rehab is complete BS in my opinion. He can accomplish the same goals in summer pick up games and workouts. He gets to get back into action during training camp and preseason games. I just don't see the negative in taking this approach. I've patiently waited since 1998 for a superstar to be back on the Bulls and I can wait till October to see him play. He deserves to be mentally right when he steps on the court and if that's next year, so be it.

[Midway Bully]

Rose's ACL may be healed, but until he mentally can get to the point where he can function on the court during NBA games, he is not fully healed. Everyone is discounting the mental aspect of his recovery. Why? Every NBA player, every teammate, every analyst approves of his choice to sit out. Jerry Reinsdorf approves. The only people not approving (and disparaging Rose) are folks on this board and other fans. Again, I choose to ride with folks that have played the game and coached the game, not RealGM. If Rose needs until next season, fine. Get your body and mind right and seek and destroy all comers.

You just murked your own comment. So you're saying Rose isn't mentally healed until he can function on the court during NBA games, yet you don't want him to play NBA games now, when you yourself are saying that his ACL is healed? Jeez.

NO ONE is discounting the mental aspect of his injury. It's OK to be scared of coming back on the court, but only for a little while. Rose has been cleared to play for several weeks, and he has to step back on the court at some point, whether tomorrow, or next season. Until then, he'll never get rid of his mental hurdle.

I didn't murk anything. He is not ready to play. Mentally or physically. Until he is, he has no business coming back to play in the heat of a regular season playoff chase much less the actual playoffs.

And who among us can put a time frame on the mental aspects of recovery? A little while? Seriously?

You just said Rose isnt mentally ready until he can function on the court. In order to do that, Derrick Rose needs to get on the court. What proof do you have that he still isn't healthy, even though he says he's fine? Even though he's been practicing 5-on-5 for weeks? When his jumper is wet, and he seems to be able to dunk fine (which was one of his own requirements)? There is nothing indicating that he isn't fit to get on the court. If there is something wrong with him physically, well then, it's news to all of us, and I don't think the Bulls FO, or Team Rose is dumb enough to let that little tidbit of info stay private.

If it is all mental, like you say, and if Derrick Rose has a mental hurdle, like you say, then it's only logical that he plays games in order to get past that hurdle. That much you made clear in your own post.

[DaMayor73]

You just said Rose isnt mentally ready until he can function on the court. In order to do that, Derrick Rose needs to get on the court. What proof do you have that he still isn't healthy, even though he says he's fine? Even though he's been practicing 5-on-5 for weeks? When his jumper is wet, and he seems to be able to dunk fine (which was one of his own requirements)? There is nothing indicating that he isn't fit to get on the court. If there is something wrong with him physically, well then, it's news to all of us, and I don't think the Bulls FO, or Team Rose is dumb enough to let that little tidbit of info stay private.

If it is all mental, like you say, and if Derrick Rose has a mental hurdle, like you say, then it's only logical that he plays games in order to get past that hurdle. That much you made clear in your own post.

So because he looks good in warmups, he can automatically come back and play in physical playoff games? Seriously? Why not work his way back through summer league, training camp, pre-season games and then early regular season games?

Which plan works better for his long-term success? You guys are focused on this year when you should be focused on the next 10.

[coldfish]

You just said Rose isnt mentally ready until he can function on the court. In order to do that, Derrick Rose needs to get on the court. What proof do you have that he still isn't healthy, even though he says he's fine? Even though he's been practicing 5-on-5 for weeks? When his jumper is wet, and he seems to be able to dunk fine (which was one of his own requirements)? There is nothing indicating that he isn't fit to get on the court. If there is something wrong with him physically, well then, it's news to all of us, and I don't think the Bulls FO, or Team Rose is dumb enough to let that little tidbit of info stay private.

If it is all mental, like you say, and if Derrick Rose has a mental hurdle, like you say, then it's only logical that he plays games in order to get past that hurdle. That much you made clear in your own post.

So because he looks good in warmups, he can automatically come back and play in physical playoff games? Seriously? Why not work his way back through summer league, training camp, pre-season games and then early regular season games?

Which plan works better for his long-term success? You guys are focused on this year when you should be focused on the next 10.

Why would we care about the next 10. He is only under contract for 4 more years after this year. Beyond that, I guarantee you that he is not an elite player worth building a team around at age 34.

By not playing this year, Rose:
- Gives up 20% of the playoff runs under his current deal, which might be his last one in Chicago.
- Makes it difficult for Chicago to plan for next year
- Delays getting over the mental hurdle until next year
- Loses a year of playoff experience, or should I say, another year
There are a whole lot of negatives for Rose not playing this year. Again, I have no idea what is going on with Rose. If he really is in bad shape and his leg could fall off at any minute, I can see why waiting would be good for him. Of course, if that's true he shouldn't be practicing and we should really worry about him ever recovering.

I can't overstate this, the way things have turned out, this injury is going to throw 3 years of Derrick's career in the toilet. Last year, this year and next year.

[DaMayor73]

Why would we care about the next 10. He is only under contract for 4 more years after this year. Beyond that, I guarantee you that he is not an elite player worth building a team around at age 34.

By not playing this year, Rose:
- Gives up 20% of the playoff runs under his current deal, which might be his last one in Chicago.
- Makes it difficult for Chicago to plan for next year
- Delays getting over the mental hurdle until next year
- Loses a year of playoff experience, or should I say, another year
There are a whole lot of negatives for Rose not playing this year. Again, I have no idea what is going on with Rose. If he really is in bad shape and his leg could fall off at any minute, I can see why waiting would be good for him. Of course, if that's true he shouldn't be practicing and we should really worry about him ever recovering.

I can't overstate this, the way things have turned out, this injury is going to throw 3 years of Derrick's career in the toilet. Last year, this year and next year.

So because there is a chance he could move elsewhere after this contract means he should jeopardize his future success for some playoff run this year? Again, there is no downside for the approach he is taking. The Owner is on board. The Front Office is on board. His coach is on board. His teammates are on board. The entire NBA community is on board. But you and others aren't. Hmmm......

[towelied]

Why would we care about the next 10. He is only under contract for 4 more years after this year. Beyond that, I guarantee you that he is not an elite player worth building a team around at age 34.

By not playing this year, Rose:
- Gives up 20% of the playoff runs under his current deal, which might be his last one in Chicago.
- Makes it difficult for Chicago to plan for next year
- Delays getting over the mental hurdle until next year
- Loses a year of playoff experience, or should I say, another year
There are a whole lot of negatives for Rose not playing this year. Again, I have no idea what is going on with Rose. If he really is in bad shape and his leg could fall off at any minute, I can see why waiting would be good for him. Of course, if that's true he shouldn't be practicing and we should really worry about him ever recovering.

I can't overstate this, the way things have turned out, this injury is going to throw 3 years of Derrick's career in the toilet. Last year, this year and next year.

So because there is a chance he could move elsewhere after this contract means he should jeopardize his future success for some playoff run this year? Again, there is no downside for the approach he is taking. The Owner is on board. The Front Office is on board. His coach is on board. His teammates are on board. The entire NBA community is on board. But you and others aren't. Hmmm......

the point that's been repeated in these threads constantly is that coming back right now WOULD NOT jeopardize his career because he's been medically cleared for months and playing 5 on 5. He is officially healthy outside of the mental aspect.

[DRose4MVP]

I can't overstate this, the way things have turned out, this injury is going to throw 3 years of Derrick's career in the toilet. Last year, this year and next year.

How is this going to throw next year down the toilet?

[DaMayor73]

Why would we care about the next 10. He is only under contract for 4 more years after this year. Beyond that, I guarantee you that he is not an elite player worth building a team around at age 34.

By not playing this year, Rose:
- Gives up 20% of the playoff runs under his current deal, which might be his last one in Chicago.
- Makes it difficult for Chicago to plan for next year
- Delays getting over the mental hurdle until next year
- Loses a year of playoff experience, or should I say, another year
There are a whole lot of negatives for Rose not playing this year. Again, I have no idea what is going on with Rose. If he really is in bad shape and his leg could fall off at any minute, I can see why waiting would be good for him. Of course, if that's true he shouldn't be practicing and we should really worry about him ever recovering.

I can't overstate this, the way things have turned out, this injury is going to throw 3 years of Derrick's career in the toilet. Last year, this year and next year.

So because there is a chance he could move elsewhere after this contract means he should jeopardize his future success for some playoff run this year? Again, there is no downside for the approach he is taking. The Owner is on board. The Front Office is on board. His coach is on board. His teammates are on board. The entire NBA community is on board. But you and others aren't. Hmmm......

the point that's been repeated in these threads constantly is that coming back right now WOULD NOT jeopardize his career because he's been medically cleared for months and playing 5 on 5. He is officially healthy outside of the mental aspect.

And that mental aspect is a huge factor. And don't discount his mental aspects affecting the physical demands needed to play. He has to be able to just play and react. If there is any doubts in his mind, he risks being ineffective and possibly injured again. Why risk that now? Just makes no sense.