Lauri:' I can make the comeback'

[Dez]

Tbh Lauri's stats and good start for season is only good for trade asset.. There is like 0% change that he will continue as a Bull next season. Same with Lavine.

I don't think you understand how RFA works, Chicago decides if Lauri is here or not.

[Louri]

Tbh Lauri's stats and good start for season is only good for trade asset.. There is like 0% change that he will continue as a Bull next season. Same with Lavine.

I don't think you understand how RFA works, Chicago decides if Lauri is here or not.

I don't think you understand that he will be paid lot more than Bulls can offer.

[Dez]

Tbh Lauri's stats and good start for season is only good for trade asset.. There is like 0% change that he will continue as a Bull next season. Same with Lavine.

I don't think you understand how RFA works, Chicago decides if Lauri is here or not.

I don't think you understand that he will be paid lot more than Bulls can offer.

Well that's incorrect on multiple points.

1) He won't get the max is the main thing
2) Bulls can match anything and the highest he can get is the max (which again he won't get)

Chicago decides whether or not he's a Bull next season, not Lauri.

[dougthonus]

Tbh Lauri's stats and good start for season is only good for trade asset.. There is like 0% change that he will continue as a Bull next season. Same with Lavine.

I don't think you understand how RFA works, Chicago decides if Lauri is here or not.

I don't think you understand that he will be paid lot more than Bulls can offer.

The Bulls can match any offer he receives. He may be paid more than the Bulls want to match of course, and if he gets paid some totally ridiculous offer, I hope the Bulls don't match. Anything is possible on that front, we'll see what Lauri looks like at seasons end, but if some team values him way more than the Bulls, whom have coached him for four years, than its pretty likely that team is making the mistake and not Chicago.

[Louri]

I don't think you understand how RFA works, Chicago decides if Lauri is here or not.

I don't think you understand that he will be paid lot more than Bulls can offer.

Well that's incorrect on multiple points.

1) He won't get the max is the main thing
2) Bulls can match anything and the highest he can get is the max (which again he won't get)

Chicago decides whether or not he's a Bull next season, not Lauri.

Main thing is that this is not ZOMG post and you should not reply.

[Louri]

I don't think you understand how RFA works, Chicago decides if Lauri is here or not.

I don't think you understand that he will be paid lot more than Bulls can offer.

The Bulls can match any offer he receives. He may be paid more than the Bulls want to match of course, and if he gets paid some totally ridiculous offer, I hope the Bulls don't match. Anything is possible on that front, we'll see what Lauri looks like at seasons end, but if some team values him way more than the Bulls, whom have coached him for four years, than its pretty likely that team is making the mistake and not Chicago.

I hope they don't match either. Donovan has coached him 3 games with new system.. and he looks like he is worth more than 20/4 already.

[kulaz3000]

I don't think you understand that he will be paid lot more than Bulls can offer.

Well that's incorrect on multiple points.

1) He won't get the max is the main thing
2) Bulls can match anything and the highest he can get is the max (which again he won't get)

Chicago decides whether or not he's a Bull next season, not Lauri.

Main thing is that this is not ZOMG post and you should not reply.

I don't think you quite understand how the message boards work. Any post can be replied to on these forums. If you want to have a private conversation, stick to private messages.

[DroseReturnChi]

Tbh Lauri's stats and good start for season is only good for trade asset.. There is like 0% change that he will continue as a Bull next season. Same with Lavine.

I don't think you understand how RFA works, Chicago decides if Lauri is here or not.

You think AK will match 4/120 after refusing 4/80 home discount from Lauri?
One mod claimed it was only 5 mil a yr let scrub Lauri search his market value for MLE. Yep bc its not your money i guess you can waste those precious cap space however you want.
If AK match, he will be humiliated by other gms and Bulls will be the joke of the franchise. For sake of Lauri too, he deserves better team. As good as AK is draft wise, he is just beyond terrible fa, trades might be worse than garpax.

[Dez]

Tbh Lauri's stats and good start for season is only good for trade asset.. There is like 0% change that he will continue as a Bull next season. Same with Lavine.

I don't think you understand how RFA works, Chicago decides if Lauri is here or not.

You think AK will match 4/120 after refusing 4/80 home discount from Lauri?
One mod claimed it was only 5 mil a yr let scrub Lauri search his market value for MLE. Yep bc its not your money i guess you can waste those precious cap space however you want.
If AK match, he will be humiliated by other gms and Bulls will be the joke of the franchise. For sake of Lauri too, he deserves better team. As good as AK is draft wise, he is just beyond terrible fa, trades might be worse than garpax.

He won't have to match 4/120 because Lauri won't get 4/120, only the most fanatical of fanatical Lauri fans believe he'll get the max.

[WindyCityBorn]

I don't think you understand how RFA works, Chicago decides if Lauri is here or not.

You think AK will match 4/120 after refusing 4/80 home discount from Lauri?
One mod claimed it was only 5 mil a yr let scrub Lauri search his market value for MLE. Yep bc its not your money i guess you can waste those precious cap space however you want.
If AK match, he will be humiliated by other gms and Bulls will be the joke of the franchise. For sake of Lauri too, he deserves better team. As good as AK is draft wise, he is just beyond terrible fa, trades might be worse than garpax.

He won't have to match 4/120 because Lauri won't get 4/120, only the most fanatical of fanatical Lauri fans believe he'll get the max.

Only person thinks Lauri deserves the max outside of his family!

[dougthonus]

I hope they don't match either. Donovan has coached him 3 games with new system.. and he looks like he is worth more than 20/4 already.

We'll see how he does over the season. I'd say through 3 games he looks about like that type of player. Still poor and limited defensively which will never change, however, he's been good from three, career best by far, and he's been more aggressive inside and taking advantage of mismatches.

Of course, after three games he's hurt again, we'll see how much time he misses. It will be interesting to see what he commands on the open market and would be interesting to know (if we ever find out) where the two sides stood at the end of negotiations.

[Leslie Forman]

1. Draft pick shows no growth, people refuse to trade because "value is low, we need him to raise it some"

2. Draft pick gets on a hot streak, but ultimately isn't showing anything new

3. "We need to give this guy a billion dollars"

It's like clockwork, I tell ya

[kapo]

I hope they don't match either. Donovan has coached him 3 games with new system.. and he looks like he is worth more than 20/4 already.

We'll see how he does over the season. I'd say through 3 games he looks about like that type of player. Still poor and limited defensively which will never change, however, he's been good from three, career best by far, and he's been more aggressive inside and taking advantage of mismatches.

Of course, after three games he's hurt again, we'll see how much time he misses. It will be interesting to see what he commands on the open market and would be interesting to know (if we ever find out) where the two sides stood at the end of negotiations.

I understand the poor and limited defense now at the moment but why do you think it never changes? Yes he possibly never be a great rim protector or otherwise superb in the defense. At the moment Lauri can recognize the need for help defense time to time. Now he needs to recognize and react to it just more often. At the moment in my opinion Lauri is not pushed around in the paint so easily, like in the rookie season, it is more about skill to defend post plays, about positioning and timing. I think Lauri has good hands in D time to time, has to learn to use them more often and in different situations. Even reach can be learned to do better without miraculously growing longer hands. These thing can be learned. Lauri learned clearly faster stroke in the summer which is no easy task to do. So I believe Lauri can learn other things as well if he just puts hes mind to it. It is hard to learn multiple things in the same time but one thing at the time.

[FranchisePlayer]

I don't think you understand how RFA works, Chicago decides if Lauri is here or not.

I don't think you understand that he will be paid lot more than Bulls can offer.

Well that's incorrect on multiple points.

1) He won't get the max is the main thing
2) Bulls can match anything and the highest he can get is the max (which again he won't get)

Chicago decides whether or not he's a Bull next season, not Lauri.

Pretty ironic someone tells the other he presents incorrect points which he then justifies with... incorrect points.

"He won't" is as false as it can get since at this moment of time no one knows if Lauri will get a max. offer or not. Even those teams that are keeping a close eye on him won't decide that any time soon what they will offer him.

A blind hater sure can try to flame someone with "nah nah nah, he won't get the max" but outside of fantasy world the reality and 100% fact of the matter is no one knows that.

"Bulls can match" is totally beside the point since can and "will" are two separate things. "Will" they pay is the issue. It was the issue when they decided they "won't" offer an extension. Everyone knows they can/could.

[Dez]

I don't think you understand that he will be paid lot more than Bulls can offer.

Well that's incorrect on multiple points.

1) He won't get the max is the main thing
2) Bulls can match anything and the highest he can get is the max (which again he won't get)

Chicago decides whether or not he's a Bull next season, not Lauri.

Pretty ironic someone tells the other he presents incorrect points which he then justifies with... incorrect points.

"He won't" is as false as it can get since at this moment of time no one knows if Lauri will get a max. offer or not. Even those teams that are keeping a close eye on him won't decide that any time soon what they will offer him.

A blind hater sure can try to flame someone with "nah nah nah, he won't get the max" but outside of fantasy world the reality and 100% fact of the matter is no one knows that.

"Bulls can match" is totally beside the point since can and "will" are two separate things. "Will" they pay is the issue. It was the issue when they decided they "won't" offer an extension. Everyone knows they can/could.

It's not ironic because it's not incorrect, nobody is going to offer the max to an inconsistent big with injury problems.

You're now trying to argue something completely irrelevant, the point wasn't can or will match any contract offers but that it's up to the Bulls whether or not Lauri plays for Chicago next season or not.

I grow tired of these Lauri fanatics that cannot handle any criticism thrown at Lauri that's well warranted given what he's produced to date in his career and just label everyone "blind haters", take off the Lauri homer goggles.

[FranchisePlayer]

The Bulls can match any offer he receives. He may be paid more than the Bulls want to match of course, and if he gets paid some totally ridiculous offer, I hope the Bulls don't match. Anything is possible on that front, we'll see what Lauri looks like at seasons end, but if some team values him way more than the Bulls, whom have coached him for four years, than its pretty likely that team is making the mistake and not Chicago.

I believe many felt that way here when Butler was on trade block or at least fans posted here accordingly.

And when the Bulls disclosed the deal, many felt that it was a good deal, a la "good riddance, Jimmy". Although here were some pretty heated threads about who won in that trade, us or the Wolves. I guess opinions divided pretty much 50-50?!

Anyways, now a couple of years later I guess many would say the Bulls lost in that trade, I don't think many Wolves fans are happy about it either. If anyone won in that trade, it was Jimmy.

For some reason, the handling of Lauri seems to be heading (again) in that direction. Is it really always the player and other teams that are making mistakes and not Chicago? (rhetorical question)

[Swuul]

I grow tired of these Lauri fanatics that cannot handle any criticism thrown at Lauri that's well warranted given what he's produced to date in his career and just label everyone "blind haters", take off the Lauri homer goggles.

Funny. I for one have grown rather tired of a certain hater who has repeadetly said "Lauri has no value" and then hammered it in with "Nobody would offer Lauri 20 bucks not to mention 20 million bucks" (the last is maybe not verbatim, as I can't be bothered to find the exact quote).


Off topic: It seems trolling is ok as long as it is performed by a well-established forumite or a moderator. Which for a rather new forumite like me seems like a weird take. Allowing trolling from a select few on a forum is a rather guaranteed way to disrupt the general atmosphere of that forum. Personally if I wanted to follow a poop-storm I'd head over to the reddit group; I would be extremely pleased if these forums would remain as a beacon of sanity, with critical discussion based on facts and not trolling.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Concerning Lauri, I dont think we exactly put our players in the best positions to succeed either. Our guys tend to be on islands that expose whatever weaknesses they have.

Take Duncan Robinson. We would treat him like Valentine here and probably say he sucks. His defense would be completely exposed and we also wouldnt run the offensive sets that truly maximize him.

But on the Heat, they play great help defense, and everyone passes the ball around. Both those things help turn Duncan Robinson, into the elite shooter in the entire league.

Lauri would look amazing on Miami because they have the scheme and players to maximize his talents. Bam with Lauri would look better on both sides of the ball.

I feel already Billy Donovan has put Lauri in much better spots to succeed and so far its paying off. That was my stance on this.

[dougthonus]

I understand the poor and limited defense now at the moment but why do you think it never changes? Yes he possibly never be a great rim protector or otherwise superb in the defense. At the moment Lauri can recognize the need for help defense time to time. Now he needs to recognize and react to it just more often. At the moment in my opinion Lauri is not pushed around in the paint so easily, like in the rookie season, it is more about skill to defend post plays, about positioning and timing. I think Lauri has good hands in D time to time, has to learn to use them more often and in different situations. Even reach can be learned to do better without miraculously growing longer hands. These thing can be learned. Lauri learned clearly faster stroke in the summer which is no easy task to do. So I believe Lauri can learn other things as well if he just puts hes mind to it. It is hard to learn multiple things in the same time but one thing at the time.

Just think he lacks the physicals necessary to ever be above average. He's too weak to bang with centers, not laterally fast enough to stay with most players, not long enough to really be a big shot blocking threat. He doesn't have great instincts to defend, and maybe those can improve, but its been three years, you have to expect improvement here is somewhat limited and based on the physicals, even strong improvement leaves him as average.

[dougthonus]

I believe many felt that way here when Butler was on trade block or at least fans posted here accordingly.

The debate with Butler was whether he was worth a supermax contract. That's not really an adequate comparison, but the ancedote is loaded because Butler went on to be a top 12 player and the Bulls screwed up their rebuild after trading for Butler. If they had tanked 1 game harder, they'd have had Doncic, Trae, or JJJ which all would have been much better cornerstones than Carter, whom they got in the same draft.

For some reason, the handling of Lauri seems to be heading (again) in that direction. Is it really always the player and other teams that are making mistakes and not Chicago? (rhetorical question)

Comparing Lauri to Ben Gordon is probably a more apt comparison. A guy who only plays one side of the ball, only scores, adds little else to the offense and is well below a max level player. However, you wouldn't like that comparison because Ben Gordon went on to be a super bust on his next deal.

The Gordon and Butler comparisons are both worthless though. Lauri is Lauri. He's not going to turn it into a big mistake because Jimmy Butler did, he's not going to be a failure because Ben Gordon was. He's going to do whatever he does based on his abilities. Also, the fact the Bulls are under the cap and really, really bad are both reasons why keeping Lauri makes less sense than it would in other circumstances.

If the Bulls were the 7th seed and over the cap, the decision would be Lauri or nothing. Now the decision is continue to try to keep building away from being potentially the worst team in the NBA with Lauri or replace Lauri with any other FA (both at market value deals) or use the money to facilitate trades / other things. Lauri is now effectively, unless he gives Chicago a big discount, which he shouldn't do and obviously didn't do or there would have been an extension already, no more or less attractive option than any other market value player.

Mathematically, you are trying to get most value per dollar, and so the best players in FA will be those that outperform their contracts by the largest amounts. The odds of that aren't really particularly better for one guy than the next unless he makes an unexpected leap forward. If Lauri signs for 20m per year and then becomes a supermax player, he could be such a guy. If he signs for 20m per year and becomes a bench stretch four then he's obviously not, but whatever he signs for will already be whatever the most optimistic team with cap room thinks he will be. This is why FA signings are usually bad unless they are max players, because the money given out is by the most hopeful team available rather than the median opinion of their abilities (which is a problem regardless of whom we use our money on).