LaMarcus Aldridge Wants Chicago Part 2

[chadrucf]

Yeah, that is fair to say...To say Boozer had no PG to get him nice set jumpers isn't. It's totally false...A flat out lie. Boozer shot worse on jumpers this season to start the year because he shot worse...Didn't have **** to do with the PG's.

You can't in one breath agree that he will improve his FG% with Rose and then in the next say point guards didn't have any effect on his FG%.

[dice]

I'd gladly lose 4 rebounds a game and not give up 4 easy layups a game that Boozer allows.

so...let's say defense and rebounding is a wash. you're left with the fact that you're not gaining much offensively on a per minute basis bringing in LMA either. so why in the world would we give up significant assets for a marginal upgrade, especially when we can get that same upgrade just by starting taj? LMA makes no sense by any stretch of the imagination...unless your imagination is so broad as to entertain the possibility that portland would take boozer for LMA straight up

[patryk7754]

I haven't read much of the thread but I'm inferring that some people would want Boozer over LA. If we can get LA just by trading Boozer there is no basketball argument you can make for the Bulls not to do the trade.

I don't think it's that. I think people are making a case for Boozer, because of the assets we'd have to give up. Some people are trying to say LMA is only a slight upgrade over Boozer, so what's the point in giving up all of our valuable assets?

I highly disagree. If you can turn those assets into a 1 LMA. Ummm duhhhhh......

I wouldn't give up Boozer and Noah. But I'd give up Boozer, Taj, 2014 pick and the Cats pick but wouldn't be enough unless it was at the trade deadline during the last year of his contract.

[MAQ]

Yeah, that is fair to say...To say Boozer had no PG to get him nice set jumpers isn't. It's totally false...A flat out lie. Boozer shot worse on jumpers this season to start the year because he shot worse...Didn't have **** to do with the PG's.

You can't in one breath agree that he will improve his FG% with Rose and then in the next say point guards didn't have any effect on his FG%.

Because we were specifically talking about the jump shots. Boozer missed looks early in the year that he would have missed regardless of who passed him the ball.

Rose is going to help improve everyone's offense. He's not going to be able to put the ball in the hoop for them from 18 feet though.

[TIKIbull]

I haven't read much of the thread but I'm inferring that some people would want Boozer over LA. If we can get LA just by trading Boozer there is no basketball argument you can make for the Bulls not to do the trade.

I don't think it's that. I think people are making a case for Boozer, because of the assets we'd have to give up. Some people are trying to say LMA is only a slight upgrade over Boozer, so what's the point in giving up all of our valuable assets?

I highly disagree. If you can turn those assets into a 1 LMA. Ummm duhhhhh......

I wouldn't give up Boozer and Noah. But I'd give up Boozer, Taj, 2014 pick and the Cats pick but wouldn't be enough unless it was at the trade deadline during the last year of his contract.

No way I'd give up Noah and Boozer. I'd give em, Deng, Taj, Cat's pick, 1st rounder. Push comes to shove, and that's what they really wanted, I'd hesitantly say yes, but ultimately I'd get that deal done.

[Jimmy Forums]

Boozer is a really good rebounder. There's no way around that. Going from Boozer to anybody is likely going to result in a decrease in rebounding. Luckily, Joakim Noah is an elite rebounder too! We can afford to lose Boozer. Why does it seem like people are looking for any reason they can think of to keep Boozer on our roster?

We don't need two guys who eat rebounds for breakfast. If Aldridge was inept, and couldn't get a board with a fishing net, that would be one thing, but he's 6'11", has averaged 9 rebounds, and you know what? He's not a center. He's a power forward. On this team, under Thibs, I wouldn't be surprised to see LA average very close to 20/10, and without Boozer to get some of the others, I'd expect Noah to go for about 12/12, along with 2ish blocks. For what it's worth, Aldridge's 9.1 RPG last year was good for 16th in the league, so like I said, he's not inept. I'd hardly even call it a weakness.

Noah's down low, grabbing boards, hustling, cleaning up easy points, while protecting the rim. Aldridge is further out, stroking it mid-range over smaller defenders, attacking the basket and finishing on the bigger, slower ones. In more equal physical matchups, he's got technique and polish on his moves. This guy is not a joke. He is a straight up elite scoring big. To say it once more, his rebounding is not on Boozer's level, but is not a weakness, ESPECIALLY not on the level of Andrea Bargnani (wtf?). Aldridge is bigger, more mobile, and more versatile than Boozer.

With Aldridge and Noah we've got the biggest, most dynamic, versatile, and best two-way front court in the league. With Boozer and Noah we do not.

[anrichardson]

If we were to trade Taj, how much are draft picks worth? Trade machine doesn't allow you to trade draft picks to make go work.

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Marreese Speights has declined player option with Cleveland and will become a free agent, league source tells Y! Sports.

If Taj was traded in LMA is Speights worth looking at for backup. Because that is my whole issue of trading Taj, nobody to backup that position, unless Malcolm Thomas is that great.

[dice]

I'd give em, Deng, Taj, Cat's pick, 1st rounder

so you're gonna decimate our SF position AND give up valuable assets to arguably upgrade us at PF? what kind of sense does that make?

[Jimmy Forums]

I'd gladly lose 4 rebounds a game and not give up 4 easy layups a game that Boozer allows.

so...let's say defense and rebounding is a wash. you're left with the fact that you're not gaining much offensively on a per minute basis bringing in LMA either. so why in the world would we give up significant assets for a marginal upgrade, especially when we can get that same upgrade just by starting taj? LMA makes no sense by any stretch of the imagination...unless your imagination is so broad as to entertain the possibility that portland would take boozer for LMA straight up

Dude? Are you serious? The problem is scoring. Taj doesn't bring the same upgrade at all.

[Jimmy Forums]

I'd give em, Deng, Taj, Cat's pick, 1st rounder

so you're gonna decimate our SF position AND give up valuable assets to arguably upgrade us at PF? what kind of sense does that make?

Decimate the small forward position!? Jimmy Butler!

Not like Portland wants Deng anyway, but you can't just pretend Jimmy's not on the team.

Gibson goes for LMA, Deng goes for Tyreke Evans, Boozer gets amnestied. We get Rose/Tyreke/Jimmy/Aldridge/Noah with cap space to round out the bench. That's a super athletic team, holy ****.

[dice]

I'd give em, Deng, Taj, Cat's pick, 1st rounder

so you're gonna decimate our SF position AND give up valuable assets to arguably upgrade us at PF? what kind of sense does that make?

Decimate the small forward position!? Jimmy Butler!

Not like Portland wants Deng anyway, but you can't just pretend Jimmy's not on the team.

what position is jimmy slated to play next season, genius?

[Jimmy Forums]

what position is jimmy slated to play next season, genius?

What position is he gonna play once we trade Deng (the scenario you were commenting on)? What position did we draft him as? What's his natural position? Lol.

[patryk7754]

so you're gonna decimate our SF position AND give up valuable assets to arguably upgrade us at PF? what kind of sense does that make?

Decimate the small forward position!? Jimmy Butler!

Not like Portland wants Deng anyway, but you can't just pretend Jimmy's not on the team.

what position is jimmy slated to play next season, genius?

You can't be serious? Just because Thibs announced him the Starting SG doesn't make it against the rules to move him to Starting SF, genius.

[MAQ]

Decimate the small forward position!? Jimmy Butler!

Not like Portland wants Deng anyway, but you can't just pretend Jimmy's not on the team.

what position is jimmy slated to play next season, genius?

If you don't think Jimmy could play the 3, I'd have to question who the real genius is...

[OldSchoolNoBull]

For those of you who think we shouldn't give up our long-term assets(Mirotic, Charlotte pick, even Taj) for Aldridge, is it because

A) You think having Taj, Mirotic, and whoever we draft down the line with the Charlotte pick on our roster gives us a better chance at a championship than our roster after an Aldridge trade does, or

B) You think a better trade for those assets could come along within the next year?

If it's A, I'd say, Aldridge is clearly a more valuable player than Taj, and who knows what kind of player we'd get with the Charlotte pick. The hardest thing is Mirotic. He could be the next Dirk or he could be the next Bargs. To me, holding on to these assets and not doing a possible LMA trade is essentially betting LMA that Mirotic is closer to Dirk than Bargs. Is that a bet you want to take? If we do the deal and Mirotic turns out be closer to Dirk, we maybe look foolish. If we do the deal and Mirotic turns out to be closer to Bargs, we look smart. It's a risk. Whether or not it's worth taking is a subjective thing, but since, according to Ralph the FO has already offered Mirotic, they deem it a risk worth taking, and I'd think they know more about Mirotic than we do.

If it's B, I'd say I don't know what trade that would be, unless Love all of a sudden demands out. We're set at C and PG, and if it's not Aldridge or Love, that pretty much leaves us looking at wings. Tell me what wing is going to be acquirable and worth the assets we're talking about in the next year or two.

A tangential note about Mirotic; if I were Portland, I'd be very hesitant to make him the most valuable piece I'm getting in return for LMA, just because there's no guarantee Mirotic would come over to play for Portland. I would't to have a Fran Vazquez situation on my hands. I'd pretty much want Mirotic's word, in person, or I either don't pull the trigger or I ask for more.

[dice]

what position is jimmy slated to play next season, genius?

What position is he gonna play once we trade Deng (the scenario you were commenting on)? What position did we draft him as? What's his natural position? Lol.

i'll answer the question myself lol. he's likely gonna be our starting SG lol. if you put replace deng with him at SF it's gonna leave us without a starting SG lol. so what now, start hinrich at SG lol

you're significantly hurting the team at another position by trading for LMA as a marginal upgrade at PF. there's no way around it logically

lol

[patryk7754]

what position is jimmy slated to play next season, genius?

What position is he gonna play once we trade Deng (the scenario you were commenting on)? What position did we draft him as? What's his natural position? Lol.

i'll answer the question myself lol. he's likely gonna be our starting SG lol. if you put replace deng with him at SF it's gonna leave us without a starting SG lol. so what now, start hinrich at SG lol

you're significantly hurting the team at another position by trading for LMA as a marginal upgrade at PF. there's no way around it logically

lol

LA is nowhere near a ,marginal upgrade over boozer or taj

[chadrucf]

Yeah, that is fair to say...To say Boozer had no PG to get him nice set jumpers isn't. It's totally false...A flat out lie. Boozer shot worse on jumpers this season to start the year because he shot worse...Didn't have **** to do with the PG's.

You can't in one breath agree that he will improve his FG% with Rose and then in the next say point guards didn't have any effect on his FG%.

Because we were specifically talking about the jump shots. Boozer missed looks early in the year that he would have missed regardless of who passed him the ball.

Rose is going to help improve everyone's offense. He's not going to be able to put the ball in the hoop for them from 18 feet though.

He absolutely is. Better play-making and passing makes contested jumpers lightly contested jumpers. And it makes lightly contested jumpers wide open shots.

[anrichardson]

If Portland is "dumb" for not taking Taj, Mirotic, 2014 Pick, and CHA pick. That's what some people feel on this board.

That's exactly how I feel Chicago would be to give those up. Dumb.

[Jimmy Forums]

what position is jimmy slated to play next season, genius?

What position is he gonna play once we trade Deng (the scenario you were commenting on)? What position did we draft him as? What's his natural position? Lol.

i'll answer the question myself lol. he's likely gonna be our starting SG lol. if you put replace deng with him at SF it's gonna leave us without a starting SG lol. so what now, start hinrich at SG lol

you're significantly hurting the team at another position by trading for LMA as a marginal upgrade at PF. there's no way around it logically

lol

We're gonna have a hole at one of the wing positions, yes. Just because Butler got announced as the 2, you're gonna keep him there (the position he's less equipped to play) if we trade Deng? That's just silly. You seem to be laughing a lot too. You must be joking.

Let me explain. In my mind, Taj, Mirotic, CHA pick, and 1 or 2 future picks go for LMA.
Deng goes for Tyreke Evans in a S&T.
We amnesty Boozer.
We have Rose/Evans/Butler/Aldridge/Noah, and cap space,

that's not an upgrade to you?