2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably)

[sco]

Lavine and White are completely inadequate as your perimeter initiators.

If the core was actually worth a damn, we wouldn't have seen the entire front office cleaned out.

In my opinion, we have zero core players worth building around. At most, I could see the new regime thinking of Zach as core.

If you're drafting Haliburton it better be in the hopes he can be a true lead guard. Not as a complement to our current team.

The bulls are not getting rid of Zach or Coby just yet. I could see the FO giving them a year to evaluate what we have. With or without Zach and Coby i just think Haliburton is the better player (than Hayes). For all the people hating on Zach and even Coby for being too ball dominant , Haliburton seems like he is the anti-zach in some ways. Good/quick decision maker, efficient scorer, good defensive potential with the 7 foot wing span. If that 7 foot wingspan is legit then that is freakish length for a guard. Dwade is 6'4" with a 6'11" wingspan for comparison.

Agreed. I reshuffled my Top 5 when I examined Haliburton even more. His foundational base for perimeter defense is crazy.

- He has versatility guarding positions 1, 2, and 3.
- Gets a lot of steals
- Great court vision. This dude can handle and dish the rock. Looks like a Game One starter.
- 6-5 with 7-0 foot wing span. Kid covers a lot of space.

Would be very happy with Haliburton if we're at pick number 7 and he comes to us naturally. Coby White should be the scorer in the back court. Not the Facilitator/Play maker. Coby doesn't have that in him.

This will be an interesting draft, to be sure, with no sure-fire studs. I am totally on board with them going for the guy with the highest ceiling (vs. the highest floor) in terms of BPA. I really hope they don't get into filling a positional hole, which is often a recipe for failure.

[JimmyJammer]

Why do I have the feeling that we are going to get the number one pick in the draft? We always get the number one pick the wrong year, where there is no real consensus, so I kind of expect it to be the same this upcoming draft.

We had Derrick Rose, yes, but there was a very good number of fans who wanted Beasley. Up until draft day, none of us had any idea if it was going to be Beasley or Derrick. Unlike drafts with guys like Duncan, LeBron, Zion, Towns, Anthony Davis, Ben Simmons, Dwight Howard and Blake Griffin.

[CoreyVillains]

Okongwu is a lot of fun. Don’t see him as an option for us as he’s eerily similar to Wendell. I also think Wendell has more in his bag offensively as a passer and is more likely to stretch his range to the 3pt line.

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[Andi Obst]

Unlike drafts with guys like Duncan, LeBron, Zion, Towns, Anthony Davis, Ben Simmons, Dwight Howard and Blake Griffin.

Or the draft with Luka Don...

...oh...

...nevermind.

[kodo]

Why do I have the feeling that we are going to get the number one pick in the draft? We always get the number one pick the wrong year, where there is no real consensus, so I kind of expect it to be the same this upcoming draft.

We had Derrick Rose, yes, but there was a very good number of fans who wanted Beasley. Up until draft day, none of us had any idea if it was going to be Beasley or Derrick. Unlike drafts with guys like Duncan, LeBron, Zion, Towns, Anthony Davis, Ben Simmons, Dwight Howard and Blake Griffin.

Agreed. Beasley was really the consensus #1 until the tournament. Rose's rise was a late story, and him being mocked in general at #1 wasn't until after Chicago blind lucked into the lottery and people assumed we'd pick a hometown product.

https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/lottery_preview_08.html

If the Bulls finish in the top three of the lottery...
They’ll hope it’s one of the first two picks. As was the case last year with Greg Oden and Kevin Durant, there is a strong consensus on who will not be on the board by the time team No. 3 is ready to select: Kansas State forward Michael Beasley and Memphis point guard Derrick Rose. Beasley had a Durant-like freshman season for the Wildcats and was initially thought to be a lock to go No. 1. That was until Rose made a strong case to be the top pick by leading the Tigers to the Final Four.

[The Box Office]

The bulls are not getting rid of Zach or Coby just yet. I could see the FO giving them a year to evaluate what we have. With or without Zach and Coby i just think Haliburton is the better player (than Hayes). For all the people hating on Zach and even Coby for being too ball dominant , Haliburton seems like he is the anti-zach in some ways. Good/quick decision maker, efficient scorer, good defensive potential with the 7 foot wing span. If that 7 foot wingspan is legit then that is freakish length for a guard. Dwade is 6'4" with a 6'11" wingspan for comparison.

Agreed. I reshuffled my Top 5 when I examined Haliburton even more. His foundational base for perimeter defense is crazy.

- He has versatility guarding positions 1, 2, and 3.
- Gets a lot of steals
- Great court vision. This dude can handle and dish the rock. Looks like a Game One starter.
- 6-5 with 7-0 foot wing span. Kid covers a lot of space.

Would be very happy with Haliburton if we're at pick number 7 and he comes to us naturally. Coby White should be the scorer in the back court. Not the Facilitator/Play maker. Coby doesn't have that in him.

This will be an interesting draft, to be sure, with no sure-fire studs. I am totally on board with them going for the guy with the highest ceiling (vs. the highest floor) in terms of BPA. I really hope they don't get into filling a positional hole, which is often a recipe for failure.

There is no such thing as "highest ceiling" "highest floor" "potential" or whatever you wanna call it. That's just us projecting expectations onto them, which should not be done in the first place. It's not an objective quantitative measure. It's all emotional subjective crap I don't buy into.

If Okongwu and Killian Hayes are gone by the time we pick at 7 and Haliburton is still available, I take him with no hesitation.

[The Box Office]

Why do I have the feeling that we are going to get the number one pick in the draft? We always get the number one pick the wrong year, where there is no real consensus, so I kind of expect it to be the same this upcoming draft.

We had Derrick Rose, yes, but there was a very good number of fans who wanted Beasley. Up until draft day, none of us had any idea if it was going to be Beasley or Derrick. Unlike drafts with guys like Duncan, LeBron, Zion, Towns, Anthony Davis, Ben Simmons, Dwight Howard and Blake Griffin.

I'm speaking for myself on this. I knew Derrick Rose was the number one pick the entire time back before he played his first game at Memphis.

People, who didn't know between Beasley or Rose, were lazy because they didn't do their research. At the time, Beasley sounded like a lazy kid who was more interested in smoking weed and pulling other dude's shorts off than becoming a dominating force. That's when I dismissed him.

Back to the 2020 Draft, there's no need for a consensus number one pick. It's up to the team who is picking number one. We're not landing the number one pick this year. I'm sure of it.

Here's an example of a guy you mentioned: Blake Griffin. He was the consensus number one pick. Looking back, Steph Curry, who was chosen at number 7, should have been the number one pick. Taj Gibson, the 26th pick, should have been among the Top 10.

Jordan Hill, Jonny Flynn, Tyler Hansbrough, Hasheem Thabeet, Tyreke Evans, and Brandon Jennings are nobodies.

[Ralphb07]

Why do I have the feeling that we are going to get the number one pick in the draft? We always get the number one pick the wrong year, where there is no real consensus, so I kind of expect it to be the same this upcoming draft.

We had Derrick Rose, yes, but there was a very good number of fans who wanted Beasley. Up until draft day, none of us had any idea if it was going to be Beasley or Derrick. Unlike drafts with guys like Duncan, LeBron, Zion, Towns, Anthony Davis, Ben Simmons, Dwight Howard and Blake Griffin.

If the Bulls got the 1st pick I am liking LaMelo Ball.

[JohnnyTapwater]

Would anyone trade the 1st pick for Ben Simmons?

I know I would.

[CoreyVillains]

Would anyone traded the 1st pick for Ben Simmons?

I know I would.

Absolutely would

[DuckIII]

Would anyone trade the 1st pick for Ben Simmons?

I know I would.

Of course.

[dice]

Would anyone traded the 1st pick for Ben Simmons?

I know I would.

Absolutely would

absolutely? a guy about to start a big contract and with limited further upside? is this year's draft class that barren?

[dice]

Agreed. I reshuffled my Top 5 when I examined Haliburton even more. His foundational base for perimeter defense is crazy.

- He has versatility guarding positions 1, 2, and 3.
- Gets a lot of steals
- Great court vision. This dude can handle and dish the rock. Looks like a Game One starter.
- 6-5 with 7-0 foot wing span. Kid covers a lot of space.

Would be very happy with Haliburton if we're at pick number 7 and he comes to us naturally. Coby White should be the scorer in the back court. Not the Facilitator/Play maker. Coby doesn't have that in him.

This will be an interesting draft, to be sure, with no sure-fire studs. I am totally on board with them going for the guy with the highest ceiling (vs. the highest floor) in terms of BPA. I really hope they don't get into filling a positional hole, which is often a recipe for failure.

There is no such thing as "highest ceiling" "highest floor" "potential" or whatever you wanna call it. That's just us projecting expectations onto them, which should not be done in the first place. It's not an objective quantitative measure. It's all emotional subjective crap I don't buy into.

there's certainly such a thing as ceiling and floor, but we may apply it too broadly. and given that we're no longer in the age of the big man, there are fewer sure things than ever. on the other side of the coin, there are guys that simply don't have what it takes physically or skills-wise to ever be superstars. relatively unathletic point guards, for example

[sco]

This will be an interesting draft, to be sure, with no sure-fire studs. I am totally on board with them going for the guy with the highest ceiling (vs. the highest floor) in terms of BPA. I really hope they don't get into filling a positional hole, which is often a recipe for failure.

There is no such thing as "highest ceiling" "highest floor" "potential" or whatever you wanna call it. That's just us projecting expectations onto them, which should not be done in the first place. It's not an objective quantitative measure. It's all emotional subjective crap I don't buy into.

there's certainly such a thing as ceiling and floor, but we may apply it too broadly. and given that we're no longer in the age of the big man, there are fewer sure things than ever. on the other side of the coin, there are guys that simply don't have what it takes physically or skills-wise to ever be superstars. relatively unathletic point guards, for example

The high ceiling/floor thing meant, in the context of my comment, that I would rather draft a player with some demonstrated skills and elite physical attributes with the potential to develop further than a guy who has more refined skills but who has more middle-of-the-pack physical attributes. It's probably a bad example, but think Giannis vs. WCJ.

[CoreyVillains]

Would anyone traded the 1st pick for Ben Simmons?

I know I would.

Absolutely would

absolutely? a guy about to start a big contract and with limited further upside? is this year's draft class that barren?

I’d say building a roster around Simmons similar to Mlwk and Giannis would unlock some of his upside and that’s without him ever figuring out the shooting. But he’s young, makes his teammates around him better, and can defend his ass off. I’d take that over Ball, Edwards, or Wiseman.

[pipfan]

I would do Porter, the #1 pick and another future unprotected 1st for Simmons

White/Lavine/Simmons/Lauri/Carter

Bench of Sato, Hutch, Archie, Young, Gafford

sign me up

[TheSuzerain]

Any team built around Simmons as the guy is ultimately doomed.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Absolutely would

absolutely? a guy about to start a big contract and with limited further upside? is this year's draft class that barren?

I’d say building a roster around Simmons similar to Mlwk and Giannis would unlock some of his upside and that’s without him ever figuring out the shooting. But he’s young, makes his teammates around him better, and can defend his ass off. I’d take that over Ball, Edwards, or Wiseman.

The shooting on our roster would be an improvement over Phillys.

He would be great at getting everyone involved also. We need an assist/offense generator that good for the whole. He could be really good for Lauri and WCJ, everyone really. He would have plenty of space to get to the basket also.

I’m not a Simmons fan but it could work here.

[sco]

Any team built around Simmons as the guy is ultimately doomed.

Why? Great ball handler, passer, rebounder, defender. A guy like that paired with a Lavine, some additional outside shooting and defense could be lethal.

[TheSuzerain]

Any team built around Simmons as the guy is ultimately doomed.

Why? Great ball handler, passer, rebounder, defender. A guy like that paired with a Lavine, some additional outside shooting and defense could be lethal.

He literally won't and can't shoot outside the paint. He shoots in the low 60s from the FT Line.

He'd improve our team, but we'd be topped out as a 2nd round playoff team with no way to grow further. And we'd need to cobble together a top defense to even reach that ceiling which is no easy task at all when Lavine is your #2. Also not convinced Simmons is all that elite defensively. Seemed very prone to off-ball defensive mistakes whenever I watched him.